Its fine to turn your plants, if its automated and around 1-5rpm. Turning once a day by hand is not going to help much.
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Its fine to turn your plants, if its automated and around 1-5rpm. Turning once a day by hand is not going to help much.
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mugenbao
Just the other day I was wishing there were a consolidated and condensed resource for xPPK information...
Now I'm thinking it would be better to have a dedicated sub-forum
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oldone
Member
Now I'm thinking it would be better to have a dedicated sub-forum
It does seem to be catching on, doesn't it?
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SCROG McDuck
I do not know how you do it IF.. thanks for the update.
Your organization ((or recall) is amazing (I'm the president of CRAFT!) HAHAHAHH!
It will be another month or so, before I can 'convert' to a total
PPK/verticle, grow... foresaking the bloom 'box' for a bloom 'tent'..
Thinking I have 90% of what is need to accomplish
a PPK crossover, late Nove>Dec.,
I start to experement with FNB and PPKs (Cloners(c)/Germers(g)).
In the meen time, I continue to be amazed by the versitility of 'passive' growing in the cPPK..
The gPPK, a very small version of the cPPK, is a seed germer....
I've tried dropping: AK47 seed, sour cream seed and now 2 F13's (3 days ago).
The AK was a sprout in 2 days (unbelievable!) the SC took 3 days and 2 days for one of the F13s',
still waiting for the other F13 (I'm expecting, today). EDIT: 4 hours later, there is life in the 2nd one
I do have one question... (that is: ANOTHER question! HAHA!)
And an observation..
In the gPPK (germer), for seed starts, I use straight tap water.
The AK47 (1st test for germing) was just dropped in a cPPK, which
also contained a bubba kush clone, rooting, per D9s nutrient
profile of (RO) 450ppms (soak media) and 250 in the rez (bottom), FNB.
It germed, sprouted with the BK for 9 days when I grabbed it
, and a bunch of media, and put it into its' own cPPK.. nutes in a similar 450/250 nute profile..
It is now 3 days later and it is growing vigoriously...<EDIT.. after re-reading
This would be tha 'answer' to my question.. lol!
Observation: In the future, I will start all seeds in 450/250,
so I wont have to know the answer to the question:
how/when to trasition from straight
My guess is, 'repot' into cPPK, for veging, with 450/250, after
10 days or 2-3 sets of leaves.. whatta you think?
OR....Re-pot and go to 350ish in the rez and let the plant 'transition' as it requires?
For you DWC peole, the Jacks & CalNit is great!
I've incoporated, small daily feedings (top offs), instead of
, 'when it needs a gallon'.
Those addbacks are an interesting observation (at least to me, not the brightest buldb in the package).
Straight RO addbacks return the obvious.. lower ppms and higher Ph..
but when nutes are added.. other things happen..
EG.: resz readings of 800ppms (ec1.6)..
attempting to 'lower' rez concentration to 750ppms (ec 1.5)
With my logic, I added (topped off) about 1 qt of mix at
750/5.6.. my expectations were lower PPMs(EC) and higher
PH.... actual = 810/5.2.. I've done this 3 or 4 times now and
each time the EC goes up and Ph down.. WHY!
solution is maybe buffered...5.2 ph ok. 810 ppm ok... ph may increase over 2-5 moons, as root exchange ions, maybe
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SCROG McDuck
this thred have all required. if desire to garden using passive (soilless) methods, reed thred, maybe 1-xx tymes...
no need to place another letter in front of 'ppk'....
no need for 2-xx threds... just ppk, ok... just 1 ppk thred, ok...
seadleng to tree, scion to rooted tomato planty.... media as wick, wick as wick. small tomatoes, large tomatoes... small container, large container, etc...
although, electric pump is not passive... pulse seem passive-enspired... w/ target of fertigating as less as possible, using only required nutrients + water, for little if any run-off.
why make complex when desire is for 1 simple method?
solution is maybe buffered...5.2 ph ok. 810 ppm ok... ph may increase over 2-5 moons, as root exchange h+/hydroxyl ions for n03-, maybe...
we are not all blessed with vast amounts of space. I can start 4 little gPPKs, that use a 1/2 half cup pot in a 1.5 cup rez, in the same space of 1 cPPK.. and 4-5 cPPKs in the space of 1 >PPK.
I wish I could start them all in the standard PPK.. if that is what you are saying..
I thought another thread would give passive growing more exposure.. it is simple and cost effective.
Not looking for massive interaction..
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Simple? Beats me...
But I think it's funny.
Really funny.
Is a PPK anything too much more than than a wick system? Not really.
But I'm still going to call it a Passive Plant Killer.
Because... well... 'cause I like to.
...*mistress*... I hear you, my dear. Making something more than it is just for the sake of it isn't the most reasonable behavior. But then again, neither is living.
A little prefix on an acronym can't really hurt too much if it makes people happy, can it?
Common. Say it's okay. Endorse it.
Please?
EDIT: I'm not looking for tolerance here, or quietness... I want you to love our silliness. I want to be able to tell everyone that *mistress* encourages prefixes on PPKs. She approves. Because somewhere in the universe, it makes a smile. And smiles, like unicorns, are not as common as they should be. But always welcome. Right?
But I think it's funny.
Really funny.
Is a PPK anything too much more than than a wick system? Not really.
But I'm still going to call it a Passive Plant Killer.
Because... well... 'cause I like to.
...*mistress*... I hear you, my dear. Making something more than it is just for the sake of it isn't the most reasonable behavior. But then again, neither is living.
A little prefix on an acronym can't really hurt too much if it makes people happy, can it?
Common. Say it's okay. Endorse it.
Please?
EDIT: I'm not looking for tolerance here, or quietness... I want you to love our silliness. I want to be able to tell everyone that *mistress* encourages prefixes on PPKs. She approves. Because somewhere in the universe, it makes a smile. And smiles, like unicorns, are not as common as they should be. But always welcome. Right?
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hey, dmoose! welcome! don't worry about being voted off the island, we have only had one leave like that and it looks like they voted themselves off.
i encourage innovation so lets see it! (pics please). i feel this technique is particularly well suited for the medical grower as it is incredibly forgiving and reliable.
please keep us informed.
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HippyJohnny
Love machine sounds so much cooler.
I am sure thats what Big Mike would call it.
Thanks for all of the info. Simpler is always better in this hippies book.
I am sure thats what Big Mike would call it.
Thanks for all of the info. Simpler is always better in this hippies book.
lmPPK
Thanks in Advance!
Thanks in Advance!
I have learned alot in these last few days/weeks reading through this thread, and most of the other ones that were linked from here, and your signatures. Unfortunately, I read several at the same time, skipping back and forth while pages load. So I get information confused, as to which thread it came from. Having learned about the NGW 3 nights ago, I have a renewed sense of success ahead, although still sick to my stomach over the last year. But having to deal with the unexplained, forced me to dig deeper into most aspects of growing to problem solve and correct.
My interest in the PPK is 2 fold. 1 reason is to provide myself and patients with the best possible medicine, and be able to meet their supply demands while KISS. The other reason is to find a system that can be duplicated inexpensively, so I can teach my patients to grow for themselves and eventually help others. I have been teaching Hempy and DWC with Great success, but the way the PPK has been dispayed, I beleive this system will be a better fit. So I am ready to learn and test for myself.
As I mentioned before, I mean no disrespect in changing your PPK! I am trying to take what I think I learned and incorporate as much of that information into the supplies I have on hand. I reserve the right to duplicate the PPK 100% if deemed neccessary. With that said.... on to the reveal.....
I have a few 2 Gal buckets I used in a previous soil venture. I took 1 - 16" x 3" piece of MF and split it into 4 - 3/4" strips inside the bucket, bringing each portion from the center hole, diagnally up to the upper corner, then back down towards the root zone. I used a thin peice of a Polypropylene Duffle Bag to contain the 100% Perlite with 2 Tbsp of Osmocote+ mixed in evenly. I am hoping to also get air pruned roots from the breathable bag as well as block the predrilled holes that were allready drilled in bucket to force evaporation through the medium. I nestled the 2 Gal bucket into the 4 Gal bucket. I will be temporarily hand watering/monitoring daily as I learn and get feedback before setting up constant res with bubbles and auto pulse feed/water. The Plant came from a DIY Aero Table and recently transplanted into an 1 Gal Osmocote+ Hempy bucket, but is showing signs of overwatering. In an effort to save the plant, my initial watering is with ph'ed (5.8) +h2o2 water, with a 4" layer of air between the res and bucket. I will flower her under 1000w HPS w/cool tube in a vert when she recovers.
I tried to give as much info as possible without writting a book. Please ask Q's for any clarification needed. I am very interested in comments/critiques. Now I will try to add the pics, if unsuccessful, they can be viewed in my album.
Thanks in Advance
Thanks in Advance!
I have learned alot in these last few days/weeks reading through this thread, and most of the other ones that were linked from here, and your signatures. Unfortunately, I read several at the same time, skipping back and forth while pages load. So I get information confused, as to which thread it came from. Having learned about the NGW 3 nights ago, I have a renewed sense of success ahead, although still sick to my stomach over the last year. But having to deal with the unexplained, forced me to dig deeper into most aspects of growing to problem solve and correct.
My interest in the PPK is 2 fold. 1 reason is to provide myself and patients with the best possible medicine, and be able to meet their supply demands while KISS. The other reason is to find a system that can be duplicated inexpensively, so I can teach my patients to grow for themselves and eventually help others. I have been teaching Hempy and DWC with Great success, but the way the PPK has been dispayed, I beleive this system will be a better fit. So I am ready to learn and test for myself.
As I mentioned before, I mean no disrespect in changing your PPK! I am trying to take what I think I learned and incorporate as much of that information into the supplies I have on hand. I reserve the right to duplicate the PPK 100% if deemed neccessary. With that said.... on to the reveal.....
I have a few 2 Gal buckets I used in a previous soil venture. I took 1 - 16" x 3" piece of MF and split it into 4 - 3/4" strips inside the bucket, bringing each portion from the center hole, diagnally up to the upper corner, then back down towards the root zone. I used a thin peice of a Polypropylene Duffle Bag to contain the 100% Perlite with 2 Tbsp of Osmocote+ mixed in evenly. I am hoping to also get air pruned roots from the breathable bag as well as block the predrilled holes that were allready drilled in bucket to force evaporation through the medium. I nestled the 2 Gal bucket into the 4 Gal bucket. I will be temporarily hand watering/monitoring daily as I learn and get feedback before setting up constant res with bubbles and auto pulse feed/water. The Plant came from a DIY Aero Table and recently transplanted into an 1 Gal Osmocote+ Hempy bucket, but is showing signs of overwatering. In an effort to save the plant, my initial watering is with ph'ed (5.8) +h2o2 water, with a 4" layer of air between the res and bucket. I will flower her under 1000w HPS w/cool tube in a vert when she recovers.
I tried to give as much info as possible without writting a book. Please ask Q's for any clarification needed. I am very interested in comments/critiques. Now I will try to add the pics, if unsuccessful, they can be viewed in my album.
Thanks in Advance
oldone
Member
Excellent writeup dmoose. I have many questions, but I think you should start your own ppk thread.
I think its the 3rd variation in D9's design. It will get a lot of posts and I know all the gang will follow it.
Anyway, slick work man..I'll wait for the new thread
OO
Just copy your post above as the first message and presto...
I think its the 3rd variation in D9's design. It will get a lot of posts and I know all the gang will follow it.
Anyway, slick work man..I'll wait for the new thread
OO
Just copy your post above as the first message and presto...
Pics!
Osmocote+!
(I never did get around to finding any of that... so I'm right on schedule if you value consistency.)
Osmocote+!
(I never did get around to finding any of that... so I'm right on schedule if you value consistency.)
Please dont hold back and/or wait! I would consider doing a Grow Journal once I have things ironed out. I value feedback from the experienced. I have several 3 footers waiting for a room to be set up around the vert cool tube, just cant make up my mind..... I am almost tempted to go with what I know to guarantee some inventory... as this will be my 1st run without NGW tubing in over a year!
dmoose,
How do you check the individual container EC levels? Do you have to lift the pots up to do this? My system is very similar, but with a coco wick. I have a 5 gal bucket in another. The bottom has a T for the drain/irrigation line, but I don't have a place to easily check the EC. I haven't really checked it much and am having no problems but I would like to be able to check it.
How do you check the individual container EC levels? Do you have to lift the pots up to do this? My system is very similar, but with a coco wick. I have a 5 gal bucket in another. The bottom has a T for the drain/irrigation line, but I don't have a place to easily check the EC. I haven't really checked it much and am having no problems but I would like to be able to check it.
dmoose,
In that vein: Do you know the wicking characteristics of your straight perlite? This will define your air gap and the timing and volume of your pulse feeds. If you leave the plant in the 2 gallon container with the wick into the sub-reservoir (without fussing with it for a while) how close to the surface are you feeling moisture? As far as I know, you are the first to try and run a straight perlite version of this wicking system... but they exist in hempies, right?
My first reaction is to question how effectively the bag will air prune, as the side walls of your containers are solid. As a side note D9 has hypothesized that the hole-y walls may be more valuable in terms of providing 02 to the root zone than any benificial effect from the pruning (or some combination of the two)... Back on track: If the bag is porous enough that the roots can grow through this into the reservoir... well, there's some discussion about the possible cons of that. At the very least, it will keep the Perlite in the bucket.
I jumped into the PPK before I knew about the nasty pipe. I just couldn't figure out what the hell I was doing wrong in the RDWC world, so went to a super simple system... And I used the materials that were available to me to minimize expense, and it seems to be working out fine, or at least better than a total failure.
I was even thinking of running a single cell DWC (with float top off because I'm that lazy) in the garden, but couldn't get a rooted clone ready in my schedule.
Blah blah blah. I'd encourage you to hedge your bets. If the dmPPK dominates, then you know. If the perlite/fabric wick creates unexpected issues, then you know without it costing you everything. The couple posts I read suggest that you are focused on the medicinal aspects of the plant, and that you are taking care of people. With this kind of attitude, there is no reason to rush... just keep doing your best to find the best way to do your best.
Like oo said, I support you starting a grow-log sooner than later. The idea that things need to be perfect before posting fails (in my oppinon) to take advantage of both the knowledge and boredom of the community. Get it up early, update often, and you might get lucky enough to have problems averted before they start.
In that vein: Do you know the wicking characteristics of your straight perlite? This will define your air gap and the timing and volume of your pulse feeds. If you leave the plant in the 2 gallon container with the wick into the sub-reservoir (without fussing with it for a while) how close to the surface are you feeling moisture? As far as I know, you are the first to try and run a straight perlite version of this wicking system... but they exist in hempies, right?
My first reaction is to question how effectively the bag will air prune, as the side walls of your containers are solid. As a side note D9 has hypothesized that the hole-y walls may be more valuable in terms of providing 02 to the root zone than any benificial effect from the pruning (or some combination of the two)... Back on track: If the bag is porous enough that the roots can grow through this into the reservoir... well, there's some discussion about the possible cons of that. At the very least, it will keep the Perlite in the bucket.
As for going with what you know: Why wouldn't you?
I jumped into the PPK before I knew about the nasty pipe. I just couldn't figure out what the hell I was doing wrong in the RDWC world, so went to a super simple system... And I used the materials that were available to me to minimize expense, and it seems to be working out fine, or at least better than a total failure.
I was even thinking of running a single cell DWC (with float top off because I'm that lazy) in the garden, but couldn't get a rooted clone ready in my schedule.
Blah blah blah. I'd encourage you to hedge your bets. If the dmPPK dominates, then you know. If the perlite/fabric wick creates unexpected issues, then you know without it costing you everything. The couple posts I read suggest that you are focused on the medicinal aspects of the plant, and that you are taking care of people. With this kind of attitude, there is no reason to rush... just keep doing your best to find the best way to do your best.
