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Wow Snook awesome setup! I wish I had that kind of space to use. I was using string, push pins and paper clips to hold the plants back from the light and position limbs. Your top feed setup looks great too.
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Hooray, plants.
Hooray br and snook
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30x40 steps up.
That's gonna be full-time full-time.
I like the idea of vacations, but I do not like the idea of trimming seventy pounds in one sitting (that would take me two months of forever continuous)... or transplanting fifty cuts... or taking one hundred cuts... or then deciding what I was going to do with seventy pounds.
Perpetual will work just as well there...
But you're a big boy and know what you're doing.
But in the absence of heavy trimming automation/crews... perpetual is the life for me.
Hooray br and snook
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30x40 steps up.
That's gonna be full-time full-time.
I like the idea of vacations, but I do not like the idea of trimming seventy pounds in one sitting (that would take me two months of forever continuous)... or transplanting fifty cuts... or taking one hundred cuts... or then deciding what I was going to do with seventy pounds.
Perpetual will work just as well there...
But you're a big boy and know what you're doing.
But in the absence of heavy trimming automation/crews... perpetual is the life for me.
oldone
Member
I dunno as we didnt have a winter here. Warmest one I have ever seen in this neck of the woods anyway (about 30 miles north of lake Erie).
January and February barely went below freezing and almost no snow. The pods never froze so we couldn't go skating. My kids hated it.
We were wearing shorts and T's in March then rain an sleet in April.
Its probably all my fault because I have not grown in a year...just way too damn busy.
Still reading you guys though...
OO
yeah, we had a freaky winter here too. i'm mid-south 35th parallel and it only got below freezing a couple of times. the peach farmers were all sweating it as the trees bloomed early (march) and a hard freeze after bloom will wipe out a years production.
nothing froze after the end of february. some years we will get a hard freeze as late as the third week of april.
but there is no global warming.
good to hear from you! later
gregor_mendel
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Thanks Gregor.
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but there is no global warming.[/quote]
I believe there is global warming just not that it is our fault or that letting the EPA run rampant putting businesses and people out of work is the answer. A little study of solar flare activity might point us in the right direction as to why we are having a warm period. After all it is the sun that warms the earth.
I believe there is global warming just not that it is our fault or that letting the EPA run rampant putting businesses and people out of work is the answer. A little study of solar flare activity might point us in the right direction as to why we are having a warm period. After all it is the sun that warms the earth.
stagehand099
Member
Lordy,Lordy, no more flying under the radar for D9! Thats quite the ramp-up. I wish you much luck and much good karma. How many K's of lighting are you planning?
stagehand
Snook
Still Learning
Bigger room, bigger yield. IF has a point. 70+lbs of clipping at one time could become a PITA but the commercial outdoor guys do it every year, so it isnt impossible.. buy a good trimmer ($4,000 or so). But THIS, is some problem to have. Curing would be another delema, thats alot of burping. I'm sure you have it all 'mapped out'.
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disciple
Well, first, I haven't even started to work on the new place. I have gotten as far as tearing out everything you have ever seen here. Bare to the walls and repainted. Some new carpet and tile. Getting everything real normal looking before I turn it over to the landlord. A lot of work.
I won't be growing the same size plants. Before the tear down I was working on a three week veg with intense defo on some strains and bending/shaping/tying/clamping on others, topping on some, combinations on some. Trying to get some semblance of an even canopy. All one sided still and vertical.
I still haven't decided for sure on a light/plant/numbers arrangement but I am going to try to limit vertical growth to 36”. This about the limit of a single vertical 1k.
It may end up being 36 plants instead of 48 because of lights and grouping.
And I probably will not use the whole space. It's a huge room compared to what i've been using.
So, I think about 8 per plant would be a realistic goal with this size plant, maybe 10. And at 36 plants total that's 18-22 lbs. Some strains are faster than others and I can do a progressive harvest taking outer buds first so maybe trimming could be spread out over about 3 weeks. I can do a lb a day alone, I don't like it, but I can do it. But I will have 2 seasoned veterans on it too, not counting myself. It won't be too bad. And maybe an alternate trimming method that could reduce labor.
I'm working on a more commercial type pump/manifold arrangement to go with the 2400 gph mag drive I have. Still using the 3/8” od poly line. By commercial I guess I mean that it is more heavy duty and reliable.
Been reading a lot about light physics again. Beam shaping, reflective surfaces, prismatic coatings, fresnel lenses, multiple reflection inside different geometric shapes. Solar concentrators. Spatial arrangements of plants and lights.
Along with thinking about all the light measurements I have done in the last year.
My head hurts.
Somewhere up in the middle of all this is a practical solution to getting the most bang per watt.
Large rooms are a problem because of the 3d nature of plant /light arrangements. In a checkerboard or a multiple light arrangement the distance cannot be correct for all plants or even two sides of a plant. If it is correct for one it must be wrong for it's neighbor.
This is in the earlier stages of growth while a plant is smaller and developing. Not to full stature yet.
Because of the 1500 umol requirement.
The single most pointed thing I have learned about plant lighting indoors is that we have NO penetration through foliage so maintaining the distance to get 1500 umols to the closest part of the plant is critical to production.
I have taken many plants now, different strains with huge differences in fan leaf size, and moved the plant to the 1500 umol point, about 15-16” from a bare bulb, and then moved the meter to the backside of a single leaf. It will read 200-300 umols. Only 2” further away but with a single leaf in between. I think 2-300 umols might be the threshold of the sucker/producer issue.
So, we need plants all equidistant to the light source, with flat or nearly flat plant structures either vertical or horizontal. And few leaves between the light and the budsites.
Light from the sun must appear almost parallel to the plant because of the great distance while light from a close range emitter must appear to project like spokes of a wheel.
I know from my vegging area that I can work 6 plants against a 1k to about 36” in height very effectively.
If I were to grow bigger plants they would not be adequately lit with a single bulb as the tops grew past the effective range of the light and I would need to stack bulbs. I think this is a loss of electrical efficiency. Also, larger plants would require fewer numbers just on the basis of horizontal spacing. 4 per light and much more difficult to light evenly.
So based on all this I think the most electrically efficient thing to do is to run 6 plants 18” wide and 36” high with each plant trained flat around a single 1k. With a round reflective surface encircling the group as close to the plants as possible. Approx a 3 week veg.
Snook's screen looks good for this or i'm finding that I can train a plant flat fairly easily by bending branches. Maybe a clamping structure to press branches into a flat plane. Doing this the interior buds that would normally be removed are left on and develop nicely.
But if you are dealing with plant count restrictions this may not be possible. I know that if I could grow only a few plants but had unlimited lighting and floor space I would have huge electric bills.
And what i'm thinking about is not very efficient in regards to floor space.
Where i'm going does not have those @#$%^&* smart meters that have time of use capability. I don't like the idea of a program that finds 12 hour cycles.
As time goes on I think that capability will be used against us more and more.
Later on
I won't be growing the same size plants. Before the tear down I was working on a three week veg with intense defo on some strains and bending/shaping/tying/clamping on others, topping on some, combinations on some. Trying to get some semblance of an even canopy. All one sided still and vertical.
I still haven't decided for sure on a light/plant/numbers arrangement but I am going to try to limit vertical growth to 36”. This about the limit of a single vertical 1k.
It may end up being 36 plants instead of 48 because of lights and grouping.
And I probably will not use the whole space. It's a huge room compared to what i've been using.
So, I think about 8 per plant would be a realistic goal with this size plant, maybe 10. And at 36 plants total that's 18-22 lbs. Some strains are faster than others and I can do a progressive harvest taking outer buds first so maybe trimming could be spread out over about 3 weeks. I can do a lb a day alone, I don't like it, but I can do it. But I will have 2 seasoned veterans on it too, not counting myself. It won't be too bad. And maybe an alternate trimming method that could reduce labor.
I'm working on a more commercial type pump/manifold arrangement to go with the 2400 gph mag drive I have. Still using the 3/8” od poly line. By commercial I guess I mean that it is more heavy duty and reliable.
Been reading a lot about light physics again. Beam shaping, reflective surfaces, prismatic coatings, fresnel lenses, multiple reflection inside different geometric shapes. Solar concentrators. Spatial arrangements of plants and lights.
Along with thinking about all the light measurements I have done in the last year.
My head hurts.
Somewhere up in the middle of all this is a practical solution to getting the most bang per watt.
Large rooms are a problem because of the 3d nature of plant /light arrangements. In a checkerboard or a multiple light arrangement the distance cannot be correct for all plants or even two sides of a plant. If it is correct for one it must be wrong for it's neighbor.
This is in the earlier stages of growth while a plant is smaller and developing. Not to full stature yet.
Because of the 1500 umol requirement.
The single most pointed thing I have learned about plant lighting indoors is that we have NO penetration through foliage so maintaining the distance to get 1500 umols to the closest part of the plant is critical to production.
I have taken many plants now, different strains with huge differences in fan leaf size, and moved the plant to the 1500 umol point, about 15-16” from a bare bulb, and then moved the meter to the backside of a single leaf. It will read 200-300 umols. Only 2” further away but with a single leaf in between. I think 2-300 umols might be the threshold of the sucker/producer issue.
So, we need plants all equidistant to the light source, with flat or nearly flat plant structures either vertical or horizontal. And few leaves between the light and the budsites.
Light from the sun must appear almost parallel to the plant because of the great distance while light from a close range emitter must appear to project like spokes of a wheel.
I know from my vegging area that I can work 6 plants against a 1k to about 36” in height very effectively.
If I were to grow bigger plants they would not be adequately lit with a single bulb as the tops grew past the effective range of the light and I would need to stack bulbs. I think this is a loss of electrical efficiency. Also, larger plants would require fewer numbers just on the basis of horizontal spacing. 4 per light and much more difficult to light evenly.
So based on all this I think the most electrically efficient thing to do is to run 6 plants 18” wide and 36” high with each plant trained flat around a single 1k. With a round reflective surface encircling the group as close to the plants as possible. Approx a 3 week veg.
Snook's screen looks good for this or i'm finding that I can train a plant flat fairly easily by bending branches. Maybe a clamping structure to press branches into a flat plane. Doing this the interior buds that would normally be removed are left on and develop nicely.
But if you are dealing with plant count restrictions this may not be possible. I know that if I could grow only a few plants but had unlimited lighting and floor space I would have huge electric bills.
And what i'm thinking about is not very efficient in regards to floor space.
Where i'm going does not have those @#$%^&* smart meters that have time of use capability. I don't like the idea of a program that finds 12 hour cycles.
As time goes on I think that capability will be used against us more and more.
Later on
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stagehand099
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delta9nxs;5095711 I have gotten as far as tearing out everything you have ever seen here. Bare to the walls and repainted. Some new carpet and tile. Getting everything real normal looking before I turn it over to the landlord.[/quote said:
no, i'm just "comfortably numb".
i've been here 4 years but lived in an upstairs 2 bedroom apt for 7 before that. i had one of the bedrooms set up with a trough on the floor with 72 1 gal pots and 2800 watts. i had a couple of big leaks that flooded the apt below me, i had maintenance people at the door wanting to rush in to stop the leak both times. i told them i had overflowed the bathtub and i was cleaning it up already and that they should go down and help the neighbor. they bought it.
the whole show was across a shared parking lot from the regional narc shop. all day long they were in and out while i watched and grew. when we moved i carried 72 knee high plants in cardboard boxes right past a group of them talking in the parking lot.
where i'm going i have no neighbors for at least 1/2 a mile and they are upwind from me. downwind i have a steep, heavily forested mountain with difficult terrain for humans. my driveway is 1200 ft long from the road to the house, which is on a 5 acre plot. all open field and fenced. gated.
the road i'm on is a 5 mile dead end and i'm about halfway down it. no through traffic. only people who live out there. mostly large horse farms and big stables, large private residences. all expensive shit with no redneck, drama producing, trash filled yards around a run down trailer in sight. no crime. no one has had a theft out there in years. therefore, aliens! no, therefore, almost no patrols.
it's new, all less than 5 years old. the shop has it's own panel. level concrete floor. water with sink and toilet.
in other words, it's perfect for monkey business.
Monkey business FOR THE WIN!
oldone
Member
My Brush With Greatness Moment
My Brush With Greatness Moment
Hi boys,
Wow, I just noticed...I'm in D9's sig! How can this be? I'm flabbergasted. (is that really a word?)
D9's plans are awe inspiring. The mothership goes country, eh? One thought I have for you is for cheap clamping devices...what about clothes pins? They worked great for me on all but the largest branches.
Later,
OO
My Brush With Greatness Moment
Hi boys,
Wow, I just noticed...I'm in D9's sig! How can this be? I'm flabbergasted. (is that really a word?)
D9's plans are awe inspiring. The mothership goes country, eh? One thought I have for you is for cheap clamping devices...what about clothes pins? They worked great for me on all but the largest branches.
Later,
OO
Man, start up the cab and start paying attention. You've been there forever!
oldone
Member
Man, I'm deeply honoured(sp?) and I really mean that no shit. I'm an old guy (53 tomorrow) where honour really means something.
I have a 13 yo daughter(soon to be 14yo... boys...wtf?!) and an 11 yo son.
We're busy 6 nights a week...it'll all calm down by August, I hope.
I love reading about you PPK users. The OO cab will ride again...just when I have time. I still have a ton of good smoke
.Love and respect to all you boring PPK'rs,
OO
