Panama

[mcoocoo]

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[mcoocoo]

Can someone give me the link to where I might find a lab report for the Panama strain? (Any strain for that matter). I know I've seen it somewhere... but buggered if I've been able to track it down. Cheers. Lj.

If you go the to Ace Seeds website and look under Panama fem. they have some detailed lab results for Panama on there

 

[mcoocoo]

Does anyone know the flowering time for the purple pheno? I think that I finally found it, I can post some pics later.

 

[mcoocoo]

Nice plants Labia, they are looking great, update here as things get closer!

I wanted to pop back into this thread and do a smoke report for my single, feminized Panama plant that I harvested back at the end of January. It’s been about 3 months cure now and Ive gotten to know the smoke well. The plant was grown from a single feminized seed from the pink/red pheno, out of the breeders pack.

First off, as I mentioned previously in this thread. The plant wasn’t super stinky in flower. Definite smells for sure but I wouldn’t consider the plant super stinky by any means. Once jarred there became a very obvious lemon cleaner smell. The best way I can describe it. There was no sweetness at all but more of an astringent lemon chemical type smell. Reminds me almost exactly of the smell from a can of lemon pledge furniture polish.

I took the plant exactly at 10 weeks, with mostly cloudy trichomes and an extremely small amber appearance, as in I could only find one or two amber trichomes after a solid 5 minutes of looking around the plant with my loupe, so it might have been a little early.

Regardless, after three months of curing, the character of the high has changed dramatically. It has gotten much, much stronger after the cure.

Initially, it was a very energetic up high. I waked and baked one day when I had a bunch of things to get accomplished and between a spliff of panama and my morning coffee I worked physical labor at a high intensity almost all day. There was good potency, and I got good feedback from friends on it.

After three months of jar cure at 60-65% RH, it has gotten considerably stronger and the character has changed. If I were to finish the same size spliff it would likely erase an entire day from my life (maybe with a beer or two or a nice glass of bourbon) leaving me with only a foggy memory of the day before lol. It’s not nearly as energetic as before. The initial onset still has an up character but it is much more dense. That “up” character does seem to get me going but its short lived, maybe an hour or so before settling into a heavier, mildly psychedelic state.

That was surprising to me as I didn’t think Panama was supposed to have psychedelic qualities but it certainly does for me. I cant imagine what Zamaldelica or the like will be like if they are even more so. There’s a definite psychedelic character to this Panama, and for me... a strong level of disassociate energy.... it will definitely get me dazed out where I find myself staring off into space lost in thoughts or sometime just lost with no thoughts.... if I consume too much.

The come down is “heavy-ish” for me. No where near what a heavy Indica would do mind you, but still, there is noticeable fatigue at the end. At this point though, as I mentioned it has become much more potent and its quite impressive to the point I can take a single large rip or two off a simple glass pipe and be quite stoned.

That is the word I would use to describe the character ..... old school Stoney weed. This is the red pheno and I hear the green phenols are more uplifting. If we were to categorize cannabis highs into a simple three category criteria of uplifting, Stoney, or couchlock. I would put this into the middle and describe it as Stoney (and dissociative).

Ive been enjoying it quite a bit, at this point in its cure its a bit too heavy (and potent) if I want to smoke it during the day and get things done. Admittedly I do not have the highest tolerance so YMMV. In current times though, under quarantine when I’m home and going crazy from boredom.... this panama takes that all away and as mentioned can seemingly erase and entire day if over indulged. It’s meeting my needs perfectly in this current state of being couped up. Ill look forward to working my way through the other phenos in the future and seeing what the differences may be as well as a bunch of the other exotic sativas these guys offer.

Thanks Dubi and the ACE crew for all your work. I’m really excited to have access to these sativas and experience all they have to offer.

Do you remember the old song "Panama Red" by New Riders of the Purple sage? Sounds about right

 

[RizlaMan]

[It is nice to let Dubi's genetics do their thing and just add water.]


Yes. Good soil, water, some miracle gro, and liquid seaweed....

 

[OZZ_]

Do you remember the old song "Panama Red" by New Riders of the Purple sage? Sounds about right

Lol I sure do, and I’d say it’s spot on

 

[Kissgardens]

She is starting to turn into high gear at the end of week 7.

I am curious what line she is, I am assuming one of these two:

- Panama Red F6 S1: S1 of an excellent F6 Panama red parental plant that we have widely used in the first stages of the breeding of this strain. We selected a S1 coming from this F6 red line to stabilize this spectacular colorful pheno that shows beautiful reddish and pinkish pistils (especially outdoors). This S1 has a more moderate vigour and yield. The effect is denser, more narcotic and physical. Flowering time of 11 weeks.

- Panama Red F8: Outstanding pinkish/reddish mother that produces very high resin content, compact rounded flowers and darker incensey aromas. The effect is very powerful, dense, narcotic and physical. Flowering time of 11 weeks.

Either way, looks like I have another ~4 weeks of enjoyment of watching her grow.

 

[MrFancyPlants]

Kissgarden, beautiful plants!

I am a couple of weeks into curing a harvest of two Panama plants, both of the green phenotype. I'd say they were probably ready by week 9 of 11/13, but after week 10 they both began reflowering like crazy, stacking up more and more, so I switched to 10/14 and waited three more weeks for them to settle before the harvest. I probably could have waited longer still.

The smell during flowering is nothing short of breathtaking (ha). Just as much as lightly brushing up against the fan leaves releases a strong, thick, sweet, deep, but also very penetrating astringent scent. Very complex and interesting. As the plant ages, past week 8 or so, it evolves into something less "skunky" and loud and more "incensey," ultimately developing a very distinct vanilla-like spicy note 3 weeks into the cure. Very good trichome production. The smoothness and taste is likewise top-notch.

The high is interesting. It feels like a strong burst of energy but with a pleasant euphoric background. It's not quite as "kind" as the Honduran, though, and the stimulating component can become uncomfortable if not applied to some sort of a physical activity. This is great stuff for being outside, working in the garden, hiking, etc.

Definitely a keeper, at least until I run the rest of the pack and see what other treasures are hiding there. I'd like to see some pink pistils next time, hehe. Big thanks to dubi and ACE for another home run after my Honduran!

 

[RizlaMan]

Digital Microscopy

Digital Microscopy

Panama grown in coco and soil under 400 watt HPS. Buds were harvested at 8.5 weeks. Photos after after a 6 month cure.

 

[Kissgardens]

MrFancyPlants, thanks, yours are looking great too. I like how you cleaned up some of the lower growth better than me. Where you cleaning down there through week 4 or so?



Here she is at the end of week 8.

 

[mcoocoo]

I have a Panama that is currently in 12/12 and is reaching the end of the second week of flowering. I would like to try to get a consensus as to the proper light schedule for flowering this strain. I am considering 12/12 for the first 2 weeks of transition, then dropping down to 11/13 for the next 8 weeks, then 10/14 till harvest. What light schedules do you use? Any help is appreciated, Thank you!

 

[OZZ_]

I have a Panama that is currently in 12/12 and is reaching the end of the second week of flowering. I would like to try to get a consensus as to the proper light schedule for flowering this strain. I am considering 12/12 for the first 2 weeks of transition, then dropping down to 11/13 for the next 8 weeks, then 10/14 till harvest. What light schedules do you use? Any help is appreciated, Thank you!

12/12 is fine the entire time on panama. It’s very refined and tamed for a pure Sativa. No need for 11/13

 

[mcoocoo]

Thanks OZZ, Did you let it flower for the entire 12 weeks? I manifolded for 8 colas and I am going to end up with many more tops, due to the growth pattern of this plant, every cola has shot out an extra 4 tops, anyhow it has a very full canopy, with no undergrowth beneath the canopy ring.

 

[OZZ_]

Thanks OZZ, Did you let it flower for the entire 12 weeks? I manifolded for 8 colas and I am going to end up with many more tops, due to the growth pattern of this plant, every cola has shot out an extra 4 tops, anyhow it has a very full canopy, with no undergrowth beneath the canopy ring.

Hi Mcoocoo,

I pulled mine at exactly 10 weeks, but it was probably a little early. We had a trip out of the country and I couldn’t give her anymore time. Trichs were mostly cloudy with only very, very few amber. As in I could only find one or two after several minutes of scanning with the loupe.

 

[MrFancyPlants]

MrFancyPlants, thanks, yours are looking great too. I like how you cleaned up some of the lower growth better than me. Where you cleaning down there through week 4 or so?

Thanks! Actually, I didn’t have to do much. This is the green pheno, and as far as I understand it is not as branchy as the red one.

 

[Kissgardens]

Here is the end of week 9.

I took a little sample and tried it after it "dried" for 3 days. I was pretty happy. I felt it was upbeat and focused which wasn't what I was expecting since some people note the red has a little more relaxing property. It is still pretty early. I am considering taking down one of the branches each week for the next 3 weeks but easier to talk about it it then actually do it.

I am starting to think she is the Panama Red F8. I need to take a pic of the lowers but they are COVERED.

 

[mcoocoo]

Has anyone experienced a Magnesium deficiency with this plant? It started to show week 2 of flowering and is causing most of the lower leaves to die off. It is proving difficult to cure, I have started to use a 2% magnesium sulfate product called Mag-Amped in with the feeds. Other than the deficiency, this plant is a producer and has a big appetite for nutrients.

 

[mcoocoo]

My Panama is at exactly three weeks of 12/12 and is starting to fade already on the lower leaves. The rest of the fan leaves are a very healthy and lush dark green colour, so I know it's not a nitrogen deficiency. Just seems to be the way with certain strains, some start fading sooner than others no matter what you do. Best to let it do it's natural thing organically in my opinion, as opposed to those who freak out at the first sign of yellowing and start madly throwing ionic fertilisers at them etc.

Your Panama looks great by the way. So based on the pistils you have the "red" pheno?

Are you sure that it wasn't Magnesium deficiency? Mine started to show it in week 2 of flowering and most of lower fans are dying off by the end of week 3

 

[chusss]

Hi everyone, i just harvested a panama from strain, growed it on soil with bio fertilizers but unlike what i have readed till today mine dont smell like lemon or incense at all instead is pretty sweet and fruity, is this usual? btw, great plant, so vigorous, very branchy and not specially difficult to grow indoor, the height is tolerable with fim and scrog, slightly red/pink pistils in some buds

 

[Kissgardens]

Here is the end of week 10.

She is starting to foxtail and fill out nicely.