Panama

[MrFancyPlants]

I have two beautiful Panamas currently in week 5 of flowering. I'm growing them next to a Malawi and a Honduras. All three of the ACE sativas are wonderfully elegant (if tall) plants, each very intriguing in her own way, but the Panamas, so far, are standouts. It is clearly a very refined plant, very frosty, with trichomes even on fan leaf petioles. It has a very complex, loud bouquet that me and my better half describe as fresh-cut wood with a sweet, fruity, but well-balanced, astringent note. As it ages, there is an almost a perfume-type quality to this astringency. It's obvious - well, compared to the other two - how much hard work went into adapting her to indoor growing. Topped early from clone, she vegged for about 10 days at 13/11, then went into flower at 11/13. Flowers began setting surprisingly early, and the stretch really slowed down, if not stopped entirely, by early week 4 for a manageable 42 inches or so.

I think this is setting up to be a real treat. Thank you, dubi and ACE!

 

[Im'One]

I am debating running my ace panamas outside would the aroma attract too muc attention?
I have one neighbor about 100 yards away

 

[OZZ_]

I am debating running my ace panamas outside would the aroma attract too muc attention?
I have one neighbor about 100 yards away

Mine were not very smelly at all during the grow. In the jar there is a pure astringent lemon cleaner smell that is very obvious but it wasn’t a huge stinker during flowering. At least the pheno I had wasn’t.

 

[RED 1]

I am debating running my ace panamas outside would the aroma attract too muc attention?
I have one neighbor about 100 yards away

Do you want an accomplice for the "crime" about to be committed outdoors?As a friend, don't do it if you're not 100% sure,and,weatherman you are not to predict which direction wind will blow.Risky

 

[Im'One]

Do you want an accomplice for the "crime" about to be committed outdoors?As a friend, don't do it if you're not 100% sure,and,weatherman you are not to predict which direction wind will blow.Risky

Yes well we are dealing with a younger generation of oklahoman...with the coal rollermmonster truck, glock 9. Pit bull tied in the yard in front of a rottin ol singlewide and no underpinning, yard filled with trash...yea

 

[mcoocoo]

Does anyone have any pictures of Panama seedlings? I have a 3 week old seedling that has been slow to start but is just starting to take off now with its 3'rd set of leaves coming in. The reason that I am curious to see some seedling pics is that I think that I very well might have the purple pheno. The stem is purple as are the leaf stems, not red like a phosphorus deficiency, but that nice dark purple that is usually associated with phenotype expression. Thanks in advance

 

[mcoocoo]

I have two beautiful Panamas currently in week 5 of flowering. I'm growing them next to a Malawi and a Honduras. All three of the ACE sativas are wonderfully elegant (if tall) plants, each very intriguing in her own way, but the Panamas, so far, are standouts. It is clearly a very refined plant, very frosty, with trichomes even on fan leaf petioles. It has a very complex, loud bouquet that me and my better half describe as fresh-cut wood with a sweet, fruity, but well-balanced, astringent note. As it ages, there is an almost a perfume-type quality to this astringency. It's obvious - well, compared to the other two - how much hard work went into adapting her to indoor growing. Topped early from clone, she vegged for about 10 days at 13/11, then went into flower at 11/13. Flowers began setting surprisingly early, and the stretch really slowed down, if not stopped entirely, by early week 4 for a manageable 42 inches or so.

I think this is setting up to be a real treat. Thank you, dubi and ACE!

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Looking good, I love those nice thin sativa leaves!

 

[Mimpi Manis]

Here's a few pics of my Panama a few weeks from finish. Quite an elegant sativa. Not a lot unlike many of the plants I saw in the 70's and 80's in these parts. No South American varieties... but plenty from SE Asia. I like what I see so far. Not too late in the season, with decent chunky colas for a 100% sativa. Its got those typical fruity smells coming off her. Not a lot different to the Killer A5 IMHO. (Neither has any funk to speak of at all). I had a small vape of a bud a week ago and she certainly seems to deliver the kind of high I'm looking for. But you really can't beat a decent cured appraisal to make proper comment. Got a girl from the single seed I popped. Two to go. Best freebie I've had thus far I reckon. Dubi and the crew did a good job with this strain. I have a feeling my modest breeding program will be including this fine girl quite a lot. Lj

 

[OZZ_]

Here's a few pics of my Panama a few weeks from finish. Quite an elegant sativa. Not a lot unlike many of the plants I saw in the 70's and 80's in these parts. No South American varieties... but plenty from SE Asia. I like what I see so far. Not too late in the season, with decent chunky colas for a 100% sativa. Its got those typical fruity smells coming off her. Not a lot different to the Killer A5 IMHO. (Neither has any funk to speak of at all). I had a small vape of a bud a week ago and she certainly seems to deliver the kind of high I'm looking for. But you really can't beat a decent cured appraisal to make proper comment. Got a girl from the single seed I popped. Two to go. Best freebie I've had thus far I reckon. Dubi and the crew did a good job with this strain. I have a feeling my modest breeding program will be including this fine girl quite a lot. Lj

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Nice plants Labia, they are looking great, update here as things get closer!

I wanted to pop back into this thread and do a smoke report for my single, feminized Panama plant that I harvested back at the end of January. It’s been about 3 months cure now and Ive gotten to know the smoke well. The plant was grown from a single feminized seed from the pink/red pheno, out of the breeders pack.

First off, as I mentioned previously in this thread. The plant wasn’t super stinky in flower. Definite smells for sure but I wouldn’t consider the plant super stinky by any means. Once jarred there became a very obvious lemon cleaner smell. The best way I can describe it. There was no sweetness at all but more of an astringent lemon chemical type smell. Reminds me almost exactly of the smell from a can of lemon pledge furniture polish.

I took the plant exactly at 10 weeks, with mostly cloudy trichomes and an extremely small amber appearance, as in I could only find one or two amber trichomes after a solid 5 minutes of looking around the plant with my loupe, so it might have been a little early.

Regardless, after three months of curing, the character of the high has changed dramatically. It has gotten much, much stronger after the cure.

Initially, it was a very energetic up high. I waked and baked one day when I had a bunch of things to get accomplished and between a spliff of panama and my morning coffee I worked physical labor at a high intensity almost all day. There was good potency, and I got good feedback from friends on it.

After three months of jar cure at 60-65% RH, it has gotten considerably stronger and the character has changed. If I were to finish the same size spliff it would likely erase an entire day from my life (maybe with a beer or two or a nice glass of bourbon) leaving me with only a foggy memory of the day before lol. It’s not nearly as energetic as before. The initial onset still has an up character but it is much more dense. That “up” character does seem to get me going but its short lived, maybe an hour or so before settling into a heavier, mildly psychedelic state.

That was surprising to me as I didn’t think Panama was supposed to have psychedelic qualities but it certainly does for me. I cant imagine what Zamaldelica or the like will be like if they are even more so. There’s a definite psychedelic character to this Panama, and for me... a strong level of disassociate energy.... it will definitely get me dazed out where I find myself staring off into space lost in thoughts or sometime just lost with no thoughts.... if I consume too much.

The come down is “heavy-ish” for me. No where near what a heavy Indica would do mind you, but still, there is noticeable fatigue at the end. At this point though, as I mentioned it has become much more potent and its quite impressive to the point I can take a single large rip or two off a simple glass pipe and be quite stoned.

That is the word I would use to describe the character ..... old school Stoney weed. This is the red pheno and I hear the green phenols are more uplifting. If we were to categorize cannabis highs into a simple three category criteria of uplifting, Stoney, or couchlock. I would put this into the middle and describe it as Stoney (and dissociative).

Ive been enjoying it quite a bit, at this point in its cure its a bit too heavy (and potent) if I want to smoke it during the day and get things done. Admittedly I do not have the highest tolerance so YMMV. In current times though, under quarantine when I’m home and going crazy from boredom.... this panama takes that all away and as mentioned can seemingly erase and entire day if over indulged. It’s meeting my needs perfectly in this current state of being couped up. Ill look forward to working my way through the other phenos in the future and seeing what the differences may be as well as a bunch of the other exotic sativas these guys offer.

Thanks Dubi and the ACE crew for all your work. I’m really excited to have access to these sativas and experience all they have to offer.

 

[jay sus]

Dubi, i’m growing one Angola x Panama that i got as freebie maybe 2016. Can you share some detail about Angola part of it. Seems to have inherited some Panama sweetness in terps

 

[Mimpi Manis]

Ozz, That was an excellent post my friend. Much of what you had to say mirrored my experience with my grow and first few weeks of dry/cure smoke tests. (For moi - vape test). I am forced by circumstance to grow in sub optimal conditions. In my case that means a certain amount of light shade (tree's) during the grow. My Panama (from regs freebie) grew into that classic xmas tree sativa... with some minor pinching out. Dark green with nice structured medium sized buds. Lovely classic looking plant. My two metre plant will realize around 5-6 oz. Which is about average in my situation. Mine smelled very typically sativa-ish... fresh fruity tropical with zero funk. It dries into meaty solid mid sized buds. The hairs making the buds looking bowner deeper into the dry/cure. The dried smell seems much like my old longtime strain ...kind of pleasant and hempy. Limited terps thus far. Mine is the green version btw. Vape wise I got very similar buzz to you. I like to categorize effects into four parts starting at bottom: Couch/stoney/euphoria/cerebral. I found it was cerebral in beginning... and finished off with stony/light couch at the end. Not much euphoria. Which I have to say, has become something I am definitely looking for these days. (I have a couple of nice other crosses that deliver that). I also pollinated a few lower branches with 4 decent poly hybrid males I had on hand. Just cos I could. Beside, I'm curious about how things work out. The best male was a NH/PineKush. I know that one delivers euphoria. Be interesting to see what comes out in the mix. Oh... I also grew out a KillerA5. I found the effects not dissimilar to the Panama. A bit more cerebral and heavier at the end. Slightly edgy first try, but that hasn't repeated... yet! Hardly any middle which is kind of novel. It would have been the scruffiest plant I have grown out in a long while. Lots of smaller type buds. I couldn't call it distinuished or pretty. No big colas like I saw in all the pics. Might have been just the version I grew out? Very sativa looking animal indeed. My feeling is both these strains should benefit from a good long cure. I had some buds last season that smoked pretty ordinary which were utterly transformed by the cure. Be interesting to see what transpires. This is a very compelling hobby is it not? A few bud pics into their curing phase. Last pic is of KillerA5 buds.Lj.

 

[jjonahjameson]

Ozz, great write-up! That's the stuff I keep coming on here to see. I find it very interesting to see how it affects everyone differently. What's more, it's fundamentally satisfying to read about the situations after a good long cure. Too often we forget to revisit the smoke-test after giving our .02 (or .03 in my case) at the most often euphoric first days and weeks after harvesting a new cultivar.

Ive been enjoying it quite a bit, at this point in its cure its a bit too heavy (and potent) if I want to smoke it during the day and get things done. Admittedly I do not have the highest tolerance so YMMV. In current times though, under quarantine when I’m home and going crazy from boredom.... this panama takes that all away and as mentioned can seemingly erase and entire day if over indulged. It’s meeting my needs perfectly in this current state of being couped up.

Interesting note here, and something I think we're all seeing for ourselves during this really strange time.
It's a great time (to find the silver lining) to play with the more intense and debilitating highs because we don't have to be anywhere, and the relaxing thought that no one's coming over to throw a wrench in the day's plan. There's time to daze out and to really get intimate with the stuff we grow.

Incidentally, I'm smoking on one-month cured Panama right now...needless to say, I'm feeling your report. So long way of saying, thanks for the write-up! Very similar experience to what you're writing. I can hear the chords you're playing.

Stay safe, happy and healthy days to you all! Be kind!

 

[OZZ_]

Ozz, That was an excellent post my friend. Much of what you had to say mirrored my experience with my grow and first few weeks of dry/cure smoke tests. (For moi - vape test). I am forced by circumstance to grow in sub optimal conditions. In my case that means a certain amount of light shade (tree's) during the grow. My Panama (from regs freebie) grew into that classic xmas tree sativa... with some minor pinching out. Dark green with nice structured medium sized buds. Lovely classic looking plant. My two metre plant will realize around 5-6 oz. Which is about average in my situation. Mine smelled very typically sativa-ish... fresh fruity tropical with zero funk. It dries into meaty solid mid sized buds. The hairs making the buds looking bowner deeper into the dry/cure. The dried smell seems much like my old longtime strain ...kind of pleasant and hempy. Limited terps thus far. Mine is the green version btw. Vape wise I got very similar buzz to you. I like to categorize effects into four parts starting at bottom: Couch/stoney/euphoria/cerebral. I found it was cerebral in beginning... and finished off with stony/light couch at the end. Not much euphoria. Which I have to say, has become something I am definitely looking for these days. (I have a couple of nice other crosses that deliver that). I also pollinated a few lower branches with 4 decent poly hybrid males I had on hand. Just cos I could. Beside, I'm curious about how things work out. The best male was a NH/PineKush. I know that one delivers euphoria. Be interesting to see what comes out in the mix. Oh... I also grew out a KillerA5. I found the effects not dissimilar to the Panama. A bit more cerebral and heavier at the end. Slightly edgy first try, but that hasn't repeated... yet! Hardly any middle which is kind of novel. It would have been the scruffiest plant I have grown out in a long while. Lots of smaller type buds. I couldn't call it distinuished or pretty. No big colas like I saw in all the pics. Might have been just the version I grew out? Very sativa looking animal indeed. My feeling is both these strains should benefit from a good long cure. I had some buds last season that smoked pretty ordinary which were utterly transformed by the cure. Be interesting to see what transpires. This is a very compelling hobby is it not? A few bud pics into their curing phase. Last pic is of KillerA5 buds.Lj.

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It is the greatest hobby I have ever come across, and Ive had many, many in my time here.

I have a Killer A5H going at the moment, but it took a turn for the worst on me a few days ago so trying to iron out the issues. It’s a new setup so I guess to be somewhat expected but I’m hoping to get her straightened out soon enough.

Interesting feedback from you as well. I’m glad that my experiences align with yours on the Panama, it solidifies things a bit for me as far as the strains characteristics go.

Great looking KA5H hugs there! Great job on her, Ill see how mine turn out and looking forward to getting everything ironed out. Ill be doing a big Zamaldelica pheno hunt later towards the end of this year due to some very respected members here recommendations. I was thinking I was going to go straight Malawi next but after hearing everyone’s feedback I’m going on to the Zammy Whammy. Makes sense, after all it is the reports on Zamaldelica that initially led me to ACE seeds years ago in the first place. Only proper that I do a good job on one of their most popular strains.

 

[Mimpi Manis]

It is the greatest hobby I have ever come across, and Ive had many, many in my time here.

I have a Killer A5H going at the moment, but it took a turn for the worst on me a few days ago so trying to iron out the issues. It’s a new setup so I guess to be somewhat expected but I’m hoping to get her straightened out soon enough. Interesting feedback from you as well. I’m glad that my experiences align with yours on the Panama, it solidifies things a bit for me as far as the strains characteristics go. Great looking KA5H hugs there! Great job on her, Ill see how mine turn out and looking forward to getting everything ironed out. Ill be doing a big Zamaldelica pheno hunt later towards the end of this year due to some very respected members here recommendations. I was thinking I was going to go straight Malawi next but after hearing everyone’s feedback I’m going on to the Zammy Whammy. Makes sense, after all it is the reports on Zamaldelica that initially led me to ACE seeds years ago in the first place. Only proper that I do a good job on one of their most popular strains.


Zamaldelica? Damn... been contemplating the exact same thing! She sure gets a lot of good feedback in this place don't she? My next season plan is to nail down all the freebies I have in the bank... as part of my ongoing education. So I guess, at some point, we'll be meeting in this place to hear your erudite musings on Madam Zamal.

On another matter: I know GHS are not exactly a fave in this place, but their Strawberry Haze is been a fave with me since I first tasted her. The high is very clear and up. Rapid onset, tho tends not to be really long lasting. Refined elegant plant, not tending towards the large 3m they list. Comes in late March early April here. very fast for sativa leaning plant. The plant and the buds do not look particularly potent or large. But it delivers every time. The smell... gloriouly fruity both on the plant and cured. They resemble a slightly smaller version of cured Pannie buds when done. This is the strain I'd most like to cross with Panama. But if I've learnt one thing... anything can happen. I grew out a Dinafem Amnersia Kush. Hybrid. (Top US and Dam genetics). It grew out a sound robust plant with tight sativa like buids and formation. But the high was pretty ordinary indeed. More WLD like and kind of dulling effect in a way I definitely don't like. All those great genetics to get this? Pretty disappointing. (Didn't somebody in R&D try it)? I guess it demonstrates there is certainly an art to breeding good cannabis. Never underestimate lucky accidents - or t'other!

A few pics of SH for your viewing pleasure: Regards, Lj

 

[Mimpi Manis]

Lab reports

Lab reports

Can someone give me the link to where I might find a lab report for the Panama strain? (Any strain for that matter). I know I've seen it somewhere... but buggered if I've been able to track it down. Cheers. Lj.

 

[OZZ_]

It is the greatest hobby I have ever come across, and Ive had many, many in my time here.

I have a Killer A5H going at the moment, but it took a turn for the worst on me a few days ago so trying to iron out the issues. It’s a new setup so I guess to be somewhat expected but I’m hoping to get her straightened out soon enough. Interesting feedback from you as well. I’m glad that my experiences align with yours on the Panama, it solidifies things a bit for me as far as the strains characteristics go. Great looking KA5H hugs there! Great job on her, Ill see how mine turn out and looking forward to getting everything ironed out. Ill be doing a big Zamaldelica pheno hunt later towards the end of this year due to some very respected members here recommendations. I was thinking I was going to go straight Malawi next but after hearing everyone’s feedback I’m going on to the Zammy Whammy. Makes sense, after all it is the reports on Zamaldelica that initially led me to ACE seeds years ago in the first place. Only proper that I do a good job on one of their most popular strains.


Zamaldelica? Damn... been contemplating the exact same thing! She sure gets a lot of good feedback in this place don't she? My next season plan is to nail down all the freebies I have in the bank... as part of my ongoing education. So I guess, at some point, we'll be meeting in this place to hear your erudite musings on Madam Zamal.

On another matter: I know GHS are not exactly a fave in this place, but their Strawberry Haze is been a fave with me since I first tasted her. The high is very clear and up. Rapid onset, tho tends not to be really long lasting. Refined elegant plant, not tending towards the large 3m they list. Comes in late March early April here. very fast for sativa leaning plant. The plant and the buds do not look particularly potent or large. But it delivers every time. The smell... gloriouly fruity both on the plant and cured. They resemble a slightly smaller version of cured Pannie buds when done. This is the strain I'd most like to cross with Panama. But if I've learnt one thing... anything can happen. I grew out a Dinafem Amnersia Kush. Hybrid. (Top US and Dam genetics). It grew out a sound robust plant with tight sativa like buids and formation. But the high was pretty ordinary indeed. More WLD like and kind of dulling effect in a way I definitely don't like. All those great genetics to get this? Pretty disappointing. (Didn't somebody in R&D try it)? I guess it demonstrates there is certainly an art to breeding good cannabis. Never underestimate lucky accidents - or t'other!

A few pics of SH for your viewing pleasure: Regards, Lj

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Nice buds Labia.

The panama analysis can be found on ACEs website here at this link:

https://www.aceseeds.org/en/panamastd.html

Scroll down to “product information”, also good to check out the “additional information “ section.

 

[RizlaMan]

5 month cure bud shots

5 month cure bud shots

I apologize for picture quality...




This was harvested last December, dried and has been curing since then. When she was alive she was never as red. Even with Miracle Gro for both veg and flower (you can hate it, but it works and is cost-efficient) she is very smooth to smoke. Smells and tastes of lemon, sometimes sweetish like candy either times more like cleaning product. Effect is strong but not psychedelic like Malawi or Malawi x Panama (also from Dec). It gives a pleasant, happy, joyful high. Good stuff.

 

[Kissgardens]

Panama

Hi All, I been wanting to start a journal of this grown along with a couple other panama crosses. However, I will just drop a couple pics from week 4 of 11/13 of this panama. They are soil grown with box store organic tomato fertilizer blend added when I transplanted to their flowering container. I just add water during flower. I am excited to watch the next ~6-7 weeks as they do their thing. Let's see if I did this photo thing right.

 

[RizlaMan]

I love your simple and sufficient growing medium and fertilizer.



Good luck!

 

[Kissgardens]

RizlaMan - Thanks. It took me a while to get back to the basics. Excluding some minor tweaks, this is my second run with this method and first run with these plants which are from seed. It is nice to let Dubi's genetics do their thing and just add water.

Here she is at the end of week 6.