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Original Haze hybrids and psychohaze phenotypes

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MAHA KALA

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nice flowers harveststreaper. MadMac is making these crosses too. like A5 x Ohz. I made it too, nevilles haze x toms haze. I had that legendary Bohempian cut, 17 weeker. crazy trippy high. but I wanted more positive euphoria to it and more energetic, so it got hit by toms haze. I think at 2015. it was very much like haze which is nice, it is kind of backcross so it produces plants in that style. I prefer haze crossed to something not so related, it brings me some advantages. just saying. good luck with your cross. have fun!

I made some smoke report on that nevilles haze. it is in rusthread somewhere. very weird things happened to me when I was smoking it and then I visited cinema, some art movie, so there are not many people you know. it was like to go there on acid. almost. I remember that I smoked it with one girl in car and she started to scream, and got panic attack, I couldnt calm her down for a while...
 
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MAHA KALA said:
nice flowers harveststreaper. MadMac is making these crosses too. like A5 x Ohz. I made it too, nevilles haze x toms haze. I had that legendary Bohempian cut, 17 weeker. crazy trippy high. but I wanted more positive euphoria to it and more energetic, so it got hit by toms haze. I think at 2015. it was very much like haze which is nice, it is kind of backcross so it produces plants in that style. I prefer haze crossed to something not so related, it brings me some advantages. just saying. good luck with your cross. have fun!

I made some smoke report on that nevilles haze. it is in rusthread somewhere. very weird things happened to me when I was smoking it and then I visited cinema, some art movie, so there are not many people you know. it was like to go there on acid. almost. I remember that I smoked it with one girl in car and she started to scream, and got panic attack, I couldnt calm her down for a while...
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never heard of the bohempian cut but if you say it good i believe you ,,yes positive energy for me to ,my grail was such a plant ,crossing the 90s nl5 x haze x the pheno 3 todds haze i have would produce plants very similar to original haze 5 imo this 3 pheno of todds haze instantly reminded of the haze in the old haze 5 ,,
 
MAHA KALA

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more grandfunk.

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LostTribe

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Tom Hill Haze Octopus Thai pheno
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This one is pretty potent but the longer flowering girl really got me lit last night. I was way gone. Both have similar fresh scents with a slight bit of fruitiness with a bit of herbal spice background.

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Haze On!
 
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I hope you guys can help
I am not breeder, not grower, I dont have experience and thanks to coronavirus pandemy I have time to grow and learn

I am assuming Johnny have grown or smoked Golli Hz in order to know what would be the better formula for outcrossing it with Seedsman Hz, but if not, then this is the question
Out of the lucky crosses I made, this one stood out: NL5 x Hz 91 F3 x Chocolate Thai F5
It is much much better than the NL5xHz 91 used and it improved vigour a lot
Harvestreaper is saying NL5 x Hz 91 lacks vigour. I thought it was because this is an indica line or was selected towards it because what I grew from the F3 or F4 is 10/11 weeker. But I never grew the originals nor they are accesible so I cant know about lack of vigour

How can I know if the combo for improvement comes from the father or the mother?.
I sprouted last year the last of the pack from Chocolate Thai F5(CTF5) and all I found were indica plants with very light high who resemble nothing the lucky male used in the cross
I am now sprouting a few beans of the Coljam x CTF5 cross I made back then with that male to check what it did to Coljam, is there any other way to know?

harvestreaper , are you growing from the F3, the F4 or the F5 release of TSC NL5 x Hz 91? The F3 was better than the F4. The F4 all finnished in the tumbler. At least I vaped all of the F3 jar
This is NL5xHz 91 from the F3, this is the mom used in the NL5xHz 91 x CTF5 cross
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And this is the plant from last year which was a level up from the mother

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I am also curious to know if this extra leaflet feature has a name and the science behind it
Chocolate Thai F5 male
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The male CTF5 male pollinated this NL5xH 91 F3 girl
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And this is the above plants progeny currently after 9 weeks flowering
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I crossed 2 girls of NL5xHz91 F4 with MMohz but I didnt like the moms much(I found better stuff in THH and landraces) so I was thinking these seeds would finnish as birdfood
So from a depressed inbred line with lack of vigour and washed down high you can bring magic back with a lucky cross? Even if mom leans towards NL, because of allele recombination the cross with Ohz might fire the Ohz side up even when using a mom with washed down high?
Thank you very much for help guys, you all are great teachers
 
MAHA KALA

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LostTribe said:
Tom Hill Haze Octopus Thai pheno
This one is pretty potent but the longer flowering girl really got me lit last night. I was way gone. Both have similar fresh scents with a slight bit of fruitiness with a bit of herbal spice background.

THH long legs

Haze On!
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nice resin. there are individuals which are really loud in its spiciness, like sour pickled chilies spiciness.. other phenos are more shy. it depends on selection and numbers...

I hope that Mr. Shine, which reeks of green curry and sour! pickled chilies spiciness will translate it into its progeny, at least at some crosses I did. he has crazy sticky stem and makes big balls, and structure says to me that progeny will be very high yielding. he was only one like that from 21 males. others were fruity or metallic. cant wait to test it, I already popped grape turpentine cut of bshw x Mr. Shine. I call him Mr. Shine as first time I saw him at friends growroom, it shines among those other males. lush green shining like some aura. I think he is thai dominant, now only to prove it, which is happening right now. if some haze grower is interesting to test with us and have fun together, pm me.

pic is the male in 5 liter pot, flowered from cut. it is really big, I love it branching.

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funkyhorse said:
So from a depressed inbred line with lack of vigour and washed down high you can bring magic back with a lucky cross? Even if mom leans towards NL, because of allele recombination the cross with Ohz might fire the Ohz side up even when using a mom with washed down high?
Thank you very much for help guys, you all are great teachers
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sure you can find some phenotypes which will be close to real haze, but I don't believe that it can resurrect it, NLhaze was popular as F1 cross, although it is problematic to call it straight F1 as original haze doesn't breed true for effect, and you get big variety of phenos, not like at real F1s... but still it has all advantages of first generation hybrid, bigger buds, quicker flowering etc... some parts of haze are just boosted in that kind of hybrid. this what you try is kind of backross and it works like backross. but you can see that Nevilles haze is also some kind of backross and it is pretty popular. you can see I posted it and thread got more attention LOL

so it will be more haze. original haze is inbred, although it is still polyhybrid, but some phenos satisfies me fully, so I think it could be same in case of this backross. but vigor and other things will not be like at first generation seeds, which are easier to grow than inbred line... I mean you will have to pop more beans to find keeper, while at first generation seeds you can pop just few and you will find keeper easily.

looked I popped Grandfunk this year, only few females, not one weak, all super strong in effect and super yielding, no average phenos. same from F13haze. it is like first generation hybrid of haze works... that how first generations of NL5haze worked till it got fucked up.... NLhaze F1 provided spectacular phenotypes more easily than Nevilles haze backcross.

so I dont believe that NLHaze crossed with Haze again will bring vigor and yeild of first generation seeds. but try it and you will see, it will be more haze thats sure. you will find NL phenos too...

why not stay at NLhaze x chocolate? when it works. also I noticed that NL5haze x malawi is very popular. I saw different versions of it...
 
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Koondense

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I need some advice on pot size, repotting my four hazes today and need to do it properly, light mix with added high K compost and some volcanic dust straight from the top of a volcano. What size pots do you recommend? The plants are one week in 12/12 and sit in 2L pots right now. I was thinking to put them in 11 or 15L.

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Koondense

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Well, they were topped early(clones) and are around 1m high but i will apply a scrog net and keep them in level, hopefully.
11L seems like a good one, thanks.

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funkyhorse said:
I hope you guys can help
I am not breeder, not grower, I dont have experience and thanks to coronavirus pandemy I have time to grow and learn

I am assuming Johnny have grown or smoked Golli Hz in order to know what would be the better formula for outcrossing it with Seedsman Hz, but if not, then this is the question
Out of the lucky crosses I made, this one stood out: NL5 x Hz 91 F3 x Chocolate Thai F5
It is much much better than the NL5xHz 91 used and it improved vigour a lot
Harvestreaper is saying NL5 x Hz 91 lacks vigour. I thought it was because this is an indica line or was selected towards it because what I grew from the F3 or F4 is 10/11 weeker. But I never grew the originals nor they are accesible so I cant know about lack of vigour

How can I know if the combo for improvement comes from the father or the mother?.
I sprouted last year the last of the pack from Chocolate Thai F5(CTF5) and all I found were indica plants with very light high who resemble nothing the lucky male used in the cross
I am now sprouting a few beans of the Coljam x CTF5 cross I made back then with that male to check what it did to Coljam, is there any other way to know?

harvestreaper , are you growing from the F3, the F4 or the F5 release of TSC NL5 x Hz 91? The F3 was better than the F4. The F4 all finnished in the tumbler. At least I vaped all of the F3 jar
This is NL5xHz 91 from the F3, this is the mom used in the NL5xHz 91 x CTF5 cross


And this is the plant from last year which was a level up from the mother



I crossed 2 girls of NL5xHz91 F4 with MMohz but I didnt like the moms much(I found better stuff in THH and landraces) so I was thinking these seeds would finnish as birdfood
So from a depressed inbred line with lack of vigour and washed down high you can bring magic back with a lucky cross? Even if mom leans towards NL, because of allele recombination the cross with Ohz might fire the Ohz side up even when using a mom with washed down high?
Thank you very much for help guys, you all are great teachers
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hi funky im not saying the line lacks vigour only not the same vigour as original f1 this is to be expected but is not always the case as heavy ibl can retain vigour to. the line has been bred both to the nl an haze sides my female came from the nl side and is a 10 weeker shows both haze an nl traits ,looks similar to yours ,my todd haze 3 is the classic leather taste /smell i assoiciate with original f1 nl5 x haze i think a cross of these two indiduals not lines could produce a very similar plant along with some desent hybrid vigour ,,could be interesting ,but in the words of quasimodo ,,its just a hunch,,,,not sure but think mine are f3,,look forward tro seeing how your cross turns out
 
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