Quiero encontrar el fenotipo haze que tanto comentas en estas semillas, probablemente polinice algunas hembras malawixa5 haze de ace si encuentro el feno haze o el silverish en estos o algunas hembras de dr grinspoon, crees que sea buena idea? No quiero arruinar estos surreales... entonces esta bien la genealogía crei que estos eran bshwxtomhaze/mextizaHola,
el primero parece surreal(toms haze/oaxacan79 x bshw) de mí, bshw x lilly no de mí, creo que es de @unnamedmike, él puerte decirte más. Puedes olores esperar a especias de caramelo naranja o olores picantes de sándalo de Surreal F2s de unnamedmike.
seguro hombre, es algo ruidoso. Los cruces de Mr. Shine son muy diferentes a los cruces vietnamitas negros. Sé que guiñouna vez que viajé con casey jones little bud en mi bolsillo, todo el autobús olía muy mal jajaja. gracias por informar eso, comparta todas las impresiones que tenga con mindblower con nosotros por favor
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Original Haze hybrids and psychohaze phenotypes
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Solo recibí un par de bshwxLilly, trarare de polinizarla con algunos machos de piñaf4xcococola/animalwest de meangene (freeborn selections) piña es clon only y creo que tiene ssh en sus genes, en tus surreal f2 aún se puede encontrar los fenotipos haze de los que habla maha?
Hola, la genealogía no es exacta ya que se usó oaxacan79 x mextiza, así que una especie de backross de oaxacan.
Estoy hablando de la cítrica thai haze. pero surrealV1 es solo el 25% de esa haze. y gracias al oaxaqueño y al bshw es más mexicano que thai.
Dr. grinspoon(panama x purple thai) es una buena idea, pero tal cbg destroyer sería mejor. Evitaría cualquier haze de incienso como A5. simplemente use un poco de híbrido thai...
I am studying flavors of these df13s I chopped recently, and pheno2 did catch my attention with its tiny mdma resin... not big glands like at dj shorts hashplant or at sour deez. Bohempian claimed that f13 male was thai dom, but this pheno2 is very much oaxacan gold pheno imo. I know it is all mixed there. but at least it has some influence of it... first just barely dried it smells like capuccino with diesel. and when I look at description of HOG DJ Short used, I see he says chocolate/coffee.. so yeah its there. creamy cappuccino diesel. when I squeeze it a little bit, I get full splash of diesel flavor with lavenderberry/garlic tones. also he says HOG is sour and spicy savory. and yeah df13 pheno2 is... in fact now I smell it is very very spicy. definitely diesel is not this spiced up kind of style.
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It is the general consensus that wld/indica will often bring the quality of high down, but imo, this is mainly true from the connoisseur point of view. Also, pure wld is rare, we are using wld hybrids mostly. Anyway I do prefer pure NLD for the effect, that is why I grow them, dont even mind flowering for 22 weeks anymore. But I also very much enjoy the wld type high from here and there and sometimes if you put them together good things come out of it, even surprisingly good. If the high duration is not 4 hours long anymore, thats fine, the discovery of something new is the goal. Exploring new genetic combination, new aromas flavors, in the end, its all just for fun.
Who knows, imagine if you cross haze to wld and then make F2 from exceptional parents and then grow 1000 F2 plants. Not many explored this road. But seems ThaiHazexSkunk is popular lately
There is also an idea that wld genetics were introduced to Columbian sativas long time ago, then selected towards NLD and look at us now, enjoying the Haze so much, yet some phenotypes have almost WLD type of effect, just much higher quality still. I crossed Haze to reversed Pure Kush og lately, just an opportunity cross but still cannot wait to sample this. It looks very unique so far.
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GreenAndFast
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Acid beauty next to my Zamal X Congo
it is mainly true from point of psychoactivity level. that's what this thread is about. there is nothing easier than to make afghan x haze. but to make haze hybrid with good yeild, maximally 90 days of flowering and dont take down special psychoactivity of thai dom haze... that needs some art of selection.
sounds very awful with pure kush
enjoy, but I am sure I would not enjoy. sounds just like northern lights x haze, maybe better, but still... it takes level of psychoactivity down overall. and this is way how to fuck up special quality of haze high, it can be done better. new flavors and shorter flowering time can be only positive from it...I would love to see you to grow grandfunk nexto pure kush haze and compare psychoactivity of both.
after I got to use smoking these Mr. Shine F1 haze hybrids, these wlds lost all the quality for me. I dont feel high on it anymore, just yawning and feel sleepy, that's what I dont call high.
yeah that's why Tom Hill says about colombians:
"Folk can remember it anyway they like but for me Colombian was a bit like a fine cerebral ghani with a bzzzzz auditory in the background. Thai absolutely blew it out of the water."
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
so why to cross it with another wld? not my style. and thats why I choose thai dominant haze instead of colombian dom to work with and thats why I dont cross it with sleepy wld. just to explain my concept, yours is different...
I like thai haze skunk, I found minimal skunk in it, but it is still not good like toms haze for me...
yes, theoretically it is possible, it would be nice to have 70 days plant with psychoactivity level of real haze. but one thing I dont like on it and it is difference between F2 generation and F1 generation... everybody has to experience this difference on their own and we see people are experiencing it with so much popular NLhaze. while F1 gen was bomb for them, other generations are reported as watered down compared to F1 gen... mango haze is just not strong or psychoactive like original NL5haze for example... etc... simply there is some magic in first gen, which get lost right in F2... so thats why I prefer to grow F1 and do not plan to make any F2s... even creator of NLhaze himself didnt recommend to inbred his NLhaze, as he had knowledge about that difference.
thanks for inspiration which helps me articulating my thoughts Elanius
Man, I knew you will hate the HazeKush combo haha. But that OG is different animal, not at all what you would expect. Still, you dont know how its is, unless you put it to a test.
Your Grandfunk vs KushHaze is not fair match. Trainwreck is NLD/Ghani hybrid already so has a head start
I respect your concept, finding Haze hybrid with similar psychoactivity, thats worthy pursuit. Its not that my goal is different, I simply dont have a breeding goal. I realize I cannot do good job at breeding since I cannot grow big numbers. So I just have some fun with my favorite genetics and if I want haze high, I will grow pure haze. Btw, by seeing the HazeKush grow, you can learn a lot about the Haze mothers, I now know which one pass more desirable traits to the progeny.
Regarding Tom Hill and his opinion about Colombians, well its his opinion. I wouldnt describe it like that, but in the end, its all matter of selection.
You need good selection with Tom Hill haze as well, I did not care for 10 females out of 13, and there were even more sedating phenotypes than Seedsman/Golli OHaze. I found 22 weeker in Seedsman/Golli that is electric and very psychedelic, strong yet positive (although can get scary in bigger quantities) and last for very long time. It has similar sour herbal terps as my favorite Tom Hill Haze btw, just without that unripe mango.
Anyway, very nice plants everyone, looking juicy!
Your Grandfunk vs KushHaze is not fair match. Trainwreck is NLD/Ghani hybrid already so has a head start
I respect your concept, finding Haze hybrid with similar psychoactivity, thats worthy pursuit. Its not that my goal is different, I simply dont have a breeding goal. I realize I cannot do good job at breeding since I cannot grow big numbers. So I just have some fun with my favorite genetics and if I want haze high, I will grow pure haze. Btw, by seeing the HazeKush grow, you can learn a lot about the Haze mothers, I now know which one pass more desirable traits to the progeny.
Regarding Tom Hill and his opinion about Colombians, well its his opinion. I wouldnt describe it like that, but in the end, its all matter of selection.
You need good selection with Tom Hill haze as well, I did not care for 10 females out of 13, and there were even more sedating phenotypes than Seedsman/Golli OHaze. I found 22 weeker in Seedsman/Golli that is electric and very psychedelic, strong yet positive (although can get scary in bigger quantities) and last for very long time. It has similar sour herbal terps as my favorite Tom Hill Haze btw, just without that unripe mango.
Anyway, very nice plants everyone, looking juicy!
no eh podido conseguir ningún híbrido tai, y los landrace disponibles no llegan a México. Vi en seedbay semillas de tom hill haze, también en pandoraseedbank y creo que la haze de positronic es una reproducción de tom pero no se si vale la pena obtener esas semillas, tengo algunas othazexzamaldelica de ace pero creo que van por rumbos diferentes a tus cruces, los últimos paquetes de destroyer están inclinados a los fenotipos mexicanos?
yeah even some reports of thai genetics talk about narcotic effect.. it is all about pheno. but we know that pheno is in THH. sure, it is 30% of columbian or so, so there will be such phenos.
I grew toms haze x 90s from Mac, it was apparently more stony than any toms haze I know... stony spacey dreamy floating effect, some call that dreamy effect a psychedelic, me not... I appreciate toms haze green and rainbow phenos for being very euphoric and energetic(since I am smoking it, I dont drink coffee anymore), no sit down weed, not meditative at all LOL. and very very psychoactive. when haze is just slightly stony, it means it is less psychoactive for me.
cut of simply irresistible was very potent and yes, I can say psychedelic too. yet it was very stony space out effect, that's why I prefer toms haze hybrids, much more electric and much more roller coaster ride overall.
22 weeks... fuck me. it is rather to be strong and psychedelic LOL it would piss me off if 22 weeker is only nice weed. scary weed I like LOL first time I hear something like that about seedsman... thanks for info. there is also thai pheno in nevilels haze, with soft lemon herbal woody smells and zero incense. but it is very very rare, sammy nevilles haze cut is punto rojo phenotype and is very psychedelic, but it is not so electric/energetic and also much less euphoric... if we assume that colombian is ghani x south indian sativa, there will be such pheno, question is how frequent it is, how much ghani genetics limits it...
what to do with that impractical 22 weeker? what to cross it with to keep that high and take flowering down? you can grow dalat then too
hahaha. I am lazy to look for skunkmans quotes, but he was wondering when somebody talks about 20 weeks + phenotypes. he said original haze was 16 weeker. maybe that flowering time is prolonged by environment? not so strong lights? etc..
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very good job
. buds look nice frosty with minimum leafs. they will bulk up yet... I have never got pineapple smell from toms haze, but I read about it. proper hawaiian haze should be fruity...
Lo siento, no tengo ni idea de la última versión del destructor. No compré semillas como 10 años o más. toms haze de seedbay es muy digno imo. Sí, oth x zamaldelic es diferente a los híbridos toms haze. Las semillas ACE tienen pocos híbridos de chiang mai
and how you could know it is not fair match beforehand? in same way I know it about og/haze... it is opposite what I am doing... let say you get 11 weeker of grandfunk and 11 weeker of og/haze... what will have longer duration of effect, more cerebral and more psychoactivity? it is clear even now. so while I use sativa/indica hybrid bred towards sativa side, and my haze male takes it on sativa even more. you use indica/sativa hybrid which takes haze on more indica side - which means shorter duration, less cerebral etc..Man, I knew you will hate the HazeKush combo haha. But that OG is different animal, not at all what you would expect. Still, you dont know how its is, unless you put it to a test.
Your Grandfunk vs KushHaze is not fair match. Trainwreck is NLD/Ghani hybrid already so has a head start
anyway let us know if you find something interesting and psychoactive.
GreenAndFast
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I'm in love with this plant. The structure and elegance of it. Beautiful. Acid beauty. It certainly is.
what to do with that impractical 22 weeker? what to cross it with to keep that high and take flowering down? you can grow dalat then too
yes the flowering time is for sure affected by my environment, I think in perfect condition it can be done in about 18 weeks. This pheno is most tricky to grow, lights are ok, its just very sensitive to nitrogen and the flower formation and ripening reacts immediately, you give it too much nutes and it start to almost reveg even in 15 weeks of flower. The tricky part is that she needs normal feeding but miniscule nitrogen amounts. I grew it 3 times and it was always done around 20 weeks, lastly 22 weeks and she looked the best and seemed ripe, yet still flowering and creating new pistils.
This is rare pheno it seems, develops differently than most from haze population (at least what I saw..) it looks for a long time like nothing and than in the last few weeks it will swell the calyxes and put out resin. I dont care its impractical and dont want to get the flowering time down. The long flower formation process might be what is needed for the special type of effect to develop, I dont want to tinker with it. Great things in life often take much time. I intend to cross it to other extremely long flowering NLD, just still thinking what to use. I bought Kerala Chellakutti last year and the description says the flowering time is 18-25 weeks, its good candidate haha.
I remember the quote from Sam, he said something like "I have seen many long flowering NLD, but 25 weeks? Thats some bullshit?" Well the last part is certainly my paraphrasing
This is 21.5 weeks pic:
It is not opposite of what you are doing, it can be considered as a first step towards what you are doing. By using Trainwreck in your Haze hybrids, you are one step further, simply a head start. Remember that to create Trainwreck, someone had to cross Ghani to Mexican/Thai which is same principle, as what I am doing, isnt it?
I am open to any result, just dont want to dismiss anything in hypothetical discussion. I will let you know and maybe some others will chime in with their kushyhaze experience.
no, it isn't
from my point of view. for me it is not hypothetical, as I crossed haze with indica, and grew tons of NLhaze and its hybrids, which is afghan haze. I grew dc haze, which is another afghan haze, so for me it is result and not hypothesis. I also grew ghost train haze, so I know how ogk works with haze in cross, very similar to NLhaze. you can find some freak here and there, but in practice it works very the same. but try it, everybody needs to experience it on very own skin, that's best.trainwreck is heirloom, and if it contains some thai, that thai is not same thai line, which is in toms haze. trainwreck as heirloom contains some ghani, but is not ghani dominant, is bred towards sativa side. it is inbred. and I can make F1 haze hybrid with it, because it is not directly related to ohz, but your hypothetical pure kush/haze F5 would be directly related to haze... I dont see that for example SSH f5 x original haze would be that type of hybrid I am talking about. it is more kind of backross. for me it is more loosing some genes and locking them down, than unlocking, which I am trying with this haze hybrids. unlocking is expressed in freak phenos, which dont remind any of parent, or remind it very distantly.
and no, kush/haze is not first step to f1 haze hybrid, it is f1 haze hybrid in form of afgha haze. if you take it to F5 it can be similar to trainwreck in some way, if you take it further, but then you cant cross it with haze again to get that type of haze hybrid I am talking about, it would be more of backross, similar to a5 x original haze kind of. so that first step of yours would be opposite to my first step, which is first step and last step in same time. I think there is some misunderstanding.
it is nice that somebody is willing to grow some unique 22weeker, and dont care about electricity bill or time. sounds like win situation. but most of us are not in this situation and need some hybrids of it, in same time are tired with afghan haze. I assure you that I will not ask you for that cut hahahahahahhaah. but great for you, you can allow it yourself. beautiful pic!!! yummy. original haze is the best, no hybrid can replace it, that's sure too. but I am in situation when I prefer hybrids with shorter flowering time. and I think I can get pretty close to long flowering haze in effect with it... of course preservation of original haze is still much more important than some hybrids..
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