orient express

[farmerlion]

Hey all, I just received a smoke report from a tester. Tester was given a couple ounces of Orient Express. Vegitated outside and flowered inside. A vaporizer was used for the test. The sample was dried and cured in mason jars for 5 months. Grown at 56 degrees north.

orient express is wonderful. i feel completely relaxed and no anxiety. It lasts a good amount of time probably 1 hour and then lighter effects for up to 3? Onset is pretty quick, within 15 mins id say. It gives a warm and fuzzy feel. i couldn't quite pin the taste or smell. i feel like the smell is almost like a mug of orange spice black tea. couldnt quite get the taste at first but it is sweet with maybe a sour herbal. i enjoy this one alot. i totally underestimated it, though the buds are small but dense with thick long orange hairs, it looked scrawny at first glance lol..in the grinder it becomes quite sticky and a perfect consistency. overall i really enjoy it

Thanks to dubi and everyone at Ace. These ladies were a pleasure to grow. I'm working on getting a greenhouse for this season of growing. With so many genetics to run. I haven't decided which strains I will run this summer for friends. Peace

 

[vajra]

oh no!

oh no!

Hi Dubi,

I have been flowering half a pack of OE. I got one male that I am saving for seeds, and three females. They are growing alongside three Kali Mist females.

Today, about one month into flowering, I noticed that two of them have full blown male flowers—not just nanners. the third seems stable. Is this a known train in OE? I was hoping to make this a staple of my perpetual grow, but really don't want to pollinate my other girls. In my years of growing, I only have had one other hermie experience, and that was from a feminized seed from Dutch Passion.

I was hoping to use cuttings of these, but I don't know if this is wise...

Here are some pics (the two hermie plants have male flowers all over the place, but these were the easiest to photograph with my phone).
In the group shot, the two hermie girls are on the sides, and the stable one is in the middle. I apologize for the rotated picture, I have't been able to find a way to correct it on IC.

 

[Guest]

Hi vajra!I have grown orient express in 3 grows and am currently running a fourth one.Keep in mind that they were fem and I stress my plants quite a lot mainly because of overcrowding and some defoliating.
First plant had a couple balls at about the same time as yours.Plucked them and never came back.
The second was outdoor,had problems with over/under watering/feeding,light stress ,no nanners at all.
The third one threw some nanners when it was finishing.
The one I have now looks fine after 2 weeks from switch,while had some balls in other plants.
My best in all terms(high/yield/taste) was the first one,so go figure...I would have plucked all balls for sure.

 

[seeded]

Sorry to hear about the boy bits.

If you rotate the images and save them as new files though they'll stop moving on you.

 

[vajra]

Sorry to hear about the boy bits.

If you rotate the images and save them as new files though they'll stop moving on you.

great. but how do I rotate them? they are not rotated in my photo app, they just upload that way.

 

[vajra]

Hi vajra!I have grown orient express in 3 grows and am currently running a fourth one.Keep in mind that they were fem and I stress my plants quite a lot mainly because of overcrowding and some defoliating.
First plant had a couple balls at about the same time as yours.Plucked them and never came back.
The second was outdoor,had problems with over/under watering/feeding,light stress ,no nanners at all.
The third one threw some nanners when it was finishing.
The one I have now looks fine after 2 weeks from switch,while had some balls in other plants.
My best in all terms(high/yield/taste) was the first one,so go figure...I would have plucked all balls for sure.

Thanks, Syd

This is strange, because I have seen nanners on plants toward the end, but nearly every node has male sacs on stems, and some of the sacs have opened, and have white pistils coming out of them in addition to the nanners. This is new to me. If there were only a few, I would pluck them, but I think these two are determined.

 

[The Hatter]

This is something that Dubi will be able to provide a far better answer for, but throwing nanners is highly unusual for OE based on everything I have experienced and heard of from the strain.

I've grown her out before with no issues and more importantly in all the years I have been hanging out on the forums I don't think I have come across any other posts about OE throwing nanners. It's well regarded as one of the most stable strains in the Ace line up. Ace is very upfront about seed lines that have had hermie issues. I mean you can just read through Dubi's posts about working Zamaldelica in the early days or the Honduran currently. He's very frank in letting people know which lines have thrown nanners in the past. It's also the first negative trait they work out of their lines and do so with a zero tolerance policy.

So to make a long story short hearing two different people post that they had OE throw some nanners is really odd, particularly an instance of a full on shemale which is what vajra seems to be describing. I mean there are tons of strains that will throw the odd infertile nanner in extremely late flower, but that's quite different from what vajra is describing. Hopefully Dubi can shed some light on the subject for you. He checks the forums pretty regularly, but you might want to shoot him a private message.

Just of curiosity was it regular of fem seed?

 

[Guest]

Bring me whatever strain you want and I'll make it hermie
I mean I was very precise about me stressing my plants ,it wasn't my intent to bash or anything.I will blame a lot of things and check them out before blaming the genetics.Just wanted to share my experience.
The only plant that had it was the first (the 3rd I mentioned had them nanas just before chop).I sprouted 3 more seeds after that(in 3 grows),I think that says something.
But yes,the full-on shemales are weird.

 

[seeded]

great. but how do I rotate them? they are not rotated in my photo app, they just upload that way.

To be honest I gave up using phone apps for editing pics years because none of them were any good back then (especially when it came to bulk conversions) so I'm sorry I can't give you any recommendations but I do know however that the issue is caused by the rotation feature of phones and can't be undone by using the same file as it's always going to try to correct itself. The only solution is to make a new file by saving the picture to a different location, converting the file format, etc. so a new orientation tag is written which only uses the corrective data from the original file so any files that would rotate are forced to do so and then stay that way until you change it manually.

The really shitty thing about it is that it's a bug that can't be turned off by turning screen rotation off on your phone and you'll never know which pics it's going to happen to because before the server converts the image to fit within the limitations here and thus making a new file the corrective data always displays the picture the right way up for you. That means with phone pics the only way to put an end to it is to convert all your pictures and then sort them out later manually which is why I spent $70 on a camera and do everything on the pc now

 

[vajra]

This is something that Dubi will be able to provide a far better answer for, but throwing nanners is highly unusual for OE based on everything I have experienced and heard of from the strain.

I've grown her out before with no issues and more importantly in all the years I have been hanging out on the forums I don't think I have come across any other posts about OE throwing nanners. It's well regarded as one of the most stable strains in the Ace line up. Ace is very upfront about seed lines that have had hermie issues. I mean you can just read through Dubi's posts about working Zamaldelica in the early days or the Honduran currently. He's very frank in letting people know which lines have thrown nanners in the past. It's also the first negative trait they work out of their lines and do so with a zero tolerance policy.

So to make a long story short hearing two different people post that they had OE throw some nanners is really odd, particularly an instance of a full on shemale which is what vajra seems to be describing. I mean there are tons of strains that will throw the odd infertile nanner in extremely late flower, but that's quite different from what vajra is describing. Hopefully Dubi can shed some light on the subject for you. He checks the forums pretty regularly, but you might want to shoot him a private message.

Just of curiosity was it regular of fem seed?

Hi Hatter

These are from regular seed, and I agree, the appearance of testicles is surprising. The fact that this hasn't come up in the threads before if is why I addressed my post to Dubi himself, thinking he might know a little more about this.

Factors that could have come into play: I am using LEDs in this grow. The Kali Mist are seeming to love it, but maybe the OE react differently. Also, perhaps the lights have come on and then gone off without my knowing it during a storm. Temps have been pretty stable, so that is probably not it. I just don't know.

Dubi has been awesome in the past when I have communciated with him, and I am enthusiastic about ACE gear. This is not at all an attempt to disrespect ACE. I have long-term plans for running ACE gear, I just was caught off guard by this and am REALLY glad I found these before they seeded my Kali Mist crop!

Thanks for your informative post, Hatter.

 

[vajra]

Well, I examined them again today.

One of the plants is covered with male flowers and I have put it outside for now, I almost culled it, but couldn't!

The other was worthy of experiment. I removed all the branches that had male flowers, and all of the visible balls at the main nodes. I ended up with a much-reduced plant with no visible flowers.

I will put it in a tent with a few plants that are nearly finished, and check it every day for new signs.

So, I may have two viable females, one with no hermie tendencies, and one with moderate hermie tendencies. And one, outside, that is expressing its gender fluidity in this modern era.

Dubi: if you read this, do you think that removing all visible male flowers is at all safe? They all appeared on the lower half of the plant, and there seem to be none in the upper half. (the other plant had them from top to bottom)

 

[Lammy]

great. but how do I rotate them? they are not rotated in my photo app, they just upload that way.

So the issue with photo rotation is that your probably Android phone internally stores all your photos in a landscape format. It uses a property in the extra data stored in the image file called orientation to determine how to view the image. Most of the apps on your phone will read your picture in landscape mode and then rotate it based on orientation and that is how your viewing it. So if you take an upright picture on your phone it's stored in landscape mode but the orientation property says 90 degrees. So when you view it on your phone it's rotated 90 degrees.

So most of the photo rotating apps for your phone will simply change the orientation property which is probably stripped off the file when it's uploaded to icmag. I spent a lot of time trying different apps and most of them are useless garbage. There's one called photo crop that works for me on my android. Photo crop has an icon with a white background and a blue outline of a square with a line bisecting it at a 45 degree angle. If you don't want to edit your photos at all you just need to take them at the proper orientation in the first place. Which is probably with the top of your phone to the left in landscape mode

 

[Lammy]

Hi Dubi,

I have been flowering half a pack of OE. I got one male that I am saving for seeds, and three females. They are growing alongside three Kali Mist females.

Today, about one month into flowering, I noticed that two of them have full blown male flowers—not just nanners. the third seems stable. Is this a known train in OE? I was hoping to make this a staple of my perpetual grow, but really don't want to pollinate my other girls. In my years of growing, I only have had one other hermie experience, and that was from a feminized seed from Dutch Passion.

I was hoping to use cuttings of these, but I don't know if this is wise...

Here are some pics (the two hermie plants have male flowers all over the place, but these were the easiest to photograph with my phone).
In the group shot, the two hermie girls are on the sides, and the stable one is in the middle. I apologize for the rotated picture, I have't been able to find a way to correct it on IC.

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What makes you think that they are females? In the pictures all I can see are male preflowers and flowers. with no signs of female parts. Maybe I missed something

 

[vajra]

They are covered with buds, that's why! They have a few male flowers, but bud clusters everywhere.

That is a good question, though. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best. If it weren't for all the buds, this would clearly be the simplest explanation. I think if you zoom the sideways photo you might be able to see their structure. I have other pics, but haven't uploaded them yet.

 

[Lammy]

It is hard for me to see pictures in the browser on my phone. In the close-up picture I see male preflowers. If that's what's lower down I would personally consider the plant a male. but there's been a recent argument about "is it a male Hermie or a intersex plant." I had a Panama Red male that I selected based on preflowers. Once it started flowering it grew female tops. Originally I thought it was because I had mistreated it and screwed up its light cycle. But when I went to flower a clone I paid better attention and I noticed right away that the male flowers started sprouting pistols.

 

[Mephorius]

I put 2 female Orient Express seeds into the dirt today, I'm so excited haha

 

[NENugger]

Please help, my seedlings are looking dry and yellowing.

 

[NENugger]

Seedling problem

Seedling problem

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s16/res/e2e85426-c3d9-442a-b4d8-f917aebde320

 

[NENugger]

These are Orient Express plants about 1 week old. 24 hours light might be the problem. 1 300 W LED and 3 60W equiv LED. Water PH was 7 at first but now ~ 6.5

 

[The Hatter]

These are Orient Express plants about 1 week old. 24 hours light might be the problem. 1 300 W LED and 3 60W equiv LED. Water PH was 7 at first but now ~ 6.5

When I first started growing I had some seedling OE that looked like this. In the end I narrowed it down to overly hot soil. If you are feeding them I would stop. If you aren't feeding them at all then I would recommend transplanting them VERY carefully into some mellower soil. When they are this small its very easy to damage or even kill them when re-potting so you have to have a very keen eye and steady hand when you scoop them up so you don't snap off the little fine roots. I have successfully transplanted seedlings this small and they noticeably pepped up and started growing properly within about half a week. That soil also looks a bit on the soggy side so you might want to also make sure you aren't over watering them.