Tutorial Organics for Beginners

[B.C.]

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I am using Roots Organics Potting Soil. Do I need to add any other calcium source?

This is no run of the mill soil mix! They put a lot of thought into it. For those that aren't aware of what's in it, it has bat guano, earth worm castings, fish bone meal, feather meal, greensand, mycorrihzea, glacial rock dust, soybean meal, humic acid and more. All these amendments are ina base of coco coir with some long fiber coco blended in it as well, along with perlite and pumice.... I think the fish bone meal would supply plenty in the calcium department. It seems ta be a -very- well balanced soil mix. I don't think I'd fuck with it, esp if yer plants are showing no signs of deficiencies right now.... I saw it listed for 16.60 a 1.5 cubic foot bag, if I can find it locally, I'm gonna use it! Thanks for bringing to our attention! Good luck! BC

 

[master shake]

I posted this a while ago...any help??

how long is powdered dolomite lime supposed to last in the soil? I've mixed 2tbs/gal with my ocean forest soil and perlite and they seem to be having Mg defs early. I'm using the "espoma garden lime" (says dolomitic on bag) that's pelletized but I grind it up.

 

[thatspoker422]

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.


Should I be using this recipe full strength or diluting it?

 

[BurnOne]

Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.

 

[BurnOne]

This is no run of the mill soil mix! They put a lot of thought into it. For those that aren't aware of what's in it, it has bat guano, earth worm castings, fish bone meal, feather meal, greensand, mycorrihzea, glacial rock dust, soybean meal, humic acid and more. All these amendments are ina base of coco coir with some long fiber coco blended in it as well, along with perlite and pumice.... I think the fish bone meal would supply plenty in the calcium department. It seems ta be a -very- well balanced soil mix. I don't think I'd fuck with it, esp if yer plants are showing no signs of deficiencies right now.... I saw it listed for 16.60 a 1.5 cubic foot bag, if I can find it locally, I'm gonna use it! Thanks for bringing to our attention! Good luck! BC

B.C.-
Does that mix have an N-P-K rating on it?
Burn1

 

[thatspoker422]

So that means to use the recipe at Full strength correct?


Roots Organics Soil has no N-P-K rating on the bag

 

[BurnOne]

Right. Don't dilute it.
If there is no N-P-K on the label then there isn't enough food in there to matter. It's like I said, mostly peat and a high price tag.
Burn1

 

[B.C.]

Right. Don't dilute it.
If there is no N-P-K on the label then there isn't enough food in there to matter. It's like I said, mostly peat and a high price tag.
Burn1

He's 4 weeks into flower, there must be some food in it, right? Does it have ta be labeled by law? or is that jus yer opinion? It doesn't mention pete moss at all, ya reckon there liein about it? and all the other stuff they -are- puttin in it too? Btw what is the NPK value of one of the mixes in this sticky? Thanks, BC

 

[BurnOne]

In the US, N-P-K of plant food must be posted clearly on the product label. Some black strap molasses bottles have an N-P-K rating on the label. If the food in the product is not intended to feed plants, then the N-P-K doesn't need to be listed. I think it is governed by the US Dept. of Agriculture.

 

[B.C.]

I'd believe that about plant food itself, but I'm not so sure about "organic" soil. How do ya reckon he's made it 4 weeks in flower with no food in the soil? We both know flowering plants can eat alot. So there's gotta be somethin in there, wouldn't you agree? BC

 

[budvapor]

budvapor-
Worm casting tea doesn't foam.

THANKS Burn1!

 

[one Q]

Burn1: not sure if this fits here but I had a Q. Will seaweed work at all in a hydroponic set up with NO humus? (think hydrotron E&F or Coir & Perlite)

 

[BurnOne]

one Q-
I don't know.

B.C.-
I'm sure there is some food in there. Plants will live with very little food. But yield will suffer as well as being more susceptible to disease.

Burn1

 

[wygram]

What would be the negatives of using recipe #1 after only a week of letting it cooking??

 

[Mr Celsius]

Burn1: not sure if this fits here but I had a Q. Will seaweed work at all in a hydroponic set up with NO humus? (think hydrotron E&F or Coir & Perlite)

If you're referring to maxicrop, then yes... if you're thinking that its going to feed the plants... no. The only positives I see from using it, would be some K, micros and hormones... I'd foliar spray before adding to a res.

Odd enough, but if you're looking for a good organic hydro, look at Techniflora's Pure Vida nutrients... you should be able to get a nice organic hydro going on.

 

[BurnOne]

wygram-
Nothing really. It takes about two weeks for the bone meal to start breaking down. Unless you're transplanting during mid flowering, it shouldn't make any difference.
Burn1

 

[wygram]

Thanks BurnOne... guys this is a complete approval of the info found here... follow the recipes and all the good tips here... keep it simple and you'll be running through fields of bud in the near future

 

[one Q]

If you're referring to maxicrop, then yes... if you're thinking that its going to feed the plants... no. The only positives I see from using it, would be some K, micros and hormones... I'd foliar spray before adding to a res.

Odd enough, but if you're looking for a good organic hydro, look at Techniflora's Pure Vida nutrients... you should be able to get a nice organic hydro going on.

Thanks Mr. Celsius. I will look into Techniflora for sure, Ive seen adds in M.Y. Ill search today.

Im looking for a O.P.K. complete in Micros (plus some hormones would be good too.) So I thought: either Micro blast (EJ) with Flora Bloom (GH) OR Maxicrop and Florabloom. Not SUPER concerned with organics

 

[BurnOne]

Im looking for a O.P.K. complete in Micros (plus some hormones would be good too.) So I thought: either Micro blast (EJ) with Flora Bloom (GH) OR Maxicrop and Florabloom. Not SUPER concerned with organics

Try Liquid Karma.

 

[toodles]

Burn1

I just wanted to repost these three pics for new growers to check out. This plant (and her two sisters) were vegged 30 days, then put into flower. This is day 30 of flower. So this plant has been in this soil mix of mine(described in post #2 of my thread) for 60 days so far. I use the same mix throughout my grow.

This plant has had no nutrients given to it since Day 1 of VEG. The only thing this plant has had during the entire grow is water with Liquid Karma and molasses( not every watering tho on molasses). Period. No pH adjustments to anything either. Just mix up my LK and molasses and pour it on. I do bubble water 24/7 in a 5 gallon bucket that I use for my plants.

I have some liquid wormcastings on the way. I'll be using those shortly too.

Am I bragging? Sure. I take a lot of pride in growing nice plants. But I'm also showing that if you make a good soil, plants will thrive in it without all these "amendments", "supplements", and all the other stuff people constantly worry you about putting on their plants. I hope they will see they don't need those things.

So I say to new growers: Go make some LC#1 or 2, amend it advised in Post #1 here and get growing.

Yes, my soilmix is a bit different than LC#1 or 2, but it is fundamentally the same sort of mix. The difference in what I made and LC#1 or 2 is:

1)mine is more compost based than peat based. I use a cheap local/regional mix as a base. It is 70% compost, 25% peat, 5% perlite.

2) I use a variety of sources for my NPK, etc. sources.

That said, the more basic recipes shown in this thread will work just fine.

So you new growers check out my grow and get your asses in gear and grow some nice organic plants.

Toodles


My SSH x SSH #64 on day 30 of flowering. The stakes are 41" from the soil line. 3 gallon pot. 400W HPS light in a Hydrohut "mini".