Peatmoss from Alaska.
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Peatmoss from Alaska.
mrS0ul
Meatball in Residence
Well that doesn't sound very righteous.
On your loss. That is fucked up!
Sounds like an inside job.
On Ancient Forrest/Ocean Forrest/Happy Frog
To quote J.P. Morgan
"Retail's for suckers."
To quote Stoned Trout
"Yee haw!"
On your loss. That is fucked up!
Sounds like an inside job. On Ancient Forrest/Ocean Forrest/Happy Frog
To quote J.P. Morgan
"Retail's for suckers."
To quote Stoned Trout
"Yee haw!"
Righteous Roots
Member
Righteous Roots
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No a days what is really sustainable? Reuse and recycle is the best we can do. I use the old stuff for my vegetable garden so it works out great. Indeed it's very righteous.
Righteous Roots
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Well that doesn't sound very righteous.
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On your loss. That is fucked up!
On Ancient Forrest/Ocean Forrest/Happy Frog
To quote J.P. Morgan
"Retail's for suckers."
To quote Stoned Trout
"Yee haw!"
Curious what medium do you use mrsoul? Perhaps it's something I should look into.
Righteous Roots
Member
Exploziv what would you recommend that is "sustainable" for my garden?
mrS0ul
Meatball in Residence
If low/no smell is your aim use LC's #1 #1 mix. I would appreciate it if you would wire me 10% of your total savings over subcools pretentious fuck you I'm rich bitch mix as I would use it to buy a new HID setup. Keep in mind that's an HID per batch or a trove of his Beans.
Full Disclosure: Pennywise and Chernobyl are on my Hot 100 to try.
If greasy stank is your aim try coots at regular and half ratios. DITTO as above.
Remember kiddies subcool is rich and you are not.
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subcool be like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmVJy7zCsYM
I just posted this elsewhere. Disregard the subcool references.
Source your Lime from a verifiably sustainable source if you use LC's ##1 #1 the ethical questions on this mix have significant weight but techncally i would call it sustainable. Go with coots for a ethically/sustainably well rounded mix or any of a number of mix's available here on IC. Heady Blunts Wicked Lobster Mix if your near enough to the coast for the stanky greasy Win!
For the record the mix you use is SOul-ly a very personal choice and yours alone.
It's your karma and conscious after all.
It's your grow, and its your thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-9eOWsp8o
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Righteous Roots
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Hey thanks for this mrsoul. Sounds like I have a lot of homework to do to find a trully sustainable and organic grow meduim for my ladies. This is a Organics for begginers thread right so it seems I'm in the rigjt place. Thanks again. Jah blessI just posted this elsewhere. Disregard the subcool references.
Source your Lime from a verifiably sustainable source if you use LC's ##1 #1 the ethical questions on this mix have significant weight but techncally i would call it sustainable. Go with coots for a ethically/sustainably well rounded mix or any of a number of mix's available here on IC. Heady Blunts Wicked Lobster Mix if your near enough to the coast for the stanky greasy Win!
For the record the mix you use is SOul-ly a very personal choice and your alone.
It's your karma and conscious after all.
mrS0ul
Meatball in Residence
Bollocks to Babylon. Hail! Hail! Haile Selassie!
Bollocks to Babylon. Hail! Hail! Haile Selassie!
Yessir! Best on the Interwebs.
Right back at you my Rastafarian Comrade!
We want Babylon to fall not prosper. eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4CMwPCcOfY
Feel free to hit me up or drop by my thread if there is anything I can do.
Bollocks to Babylon. Hail! Hail! Haile Selassie!
Yessir! Best on the Interwebs.
Right back at you my Rastafarian Comrade!
We want Babylon to fall not prosper. eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4CMwPCcOfY
Feel free to hit me up or drop by my thread if there is anything I can do.
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No peat is sustainable at this moment, but using peat from a source where it is not replaced anytime soon is your worst bet. I'm not from USA so I'm not familiar with the products you can get, but something that doesn't use peats would be your best option. Other than that you can get soils that use less peat and source it from places that are still able to replentish given some time, and reuse that soil.
I try to use as little peat as possible, using soil that is compost based and by adding spaghnum moss instead of using peat. Only use i can find for peat is in a seedstarting mix, but even there it can be replaced, or used in a more sustainable matter, by recycling that soil for other seedstarting runs or by incorporating it into you regular mix.
Keep in mind peats are not an unlimited resource, humanity can wipe it out in our lifetime.
http://www.theecologist.org/blogs_a...mments/1780209/the_truth_about_peat_moss.html
Peat recycles very well, which improves sustainability. I have used maybe 5 bales in as many years (really more like 7 years) and still have one in the garage. Using it once and dumping it is irresponsible imho, but its better than inorganic, non biodegradable practices.
Peat recycles very well, which improves sustainability. I have used maybe 5 bales in as many years (really more like 7 years) and still have one in the garage. Using it once and dumping it is irresponsible imho, but its better than inorganic, non biodegradable practices.
leaf litter leaf mold = viable sustainable alternative to peat moss
it takes some labor though to get the good stuff.
also, here's some ideas from ATTRA;
Newspaper. Ground-up newspapers can be used as a substitute for peat moss in growing media. Newsprint should not be more than 25% by volume of the mix. Avoid the inclusion of glossy paper or paper with colored inks, as these are prohibited.
Alfalfa. Alfalfa may be a good locally-available alternative to peat moss. Alfalfa provides nutrients — especially nitrogen — that are released slowly. Raw alfalfa must be processed before use in growing media. Dried alfalfa is ground and passed through a 2-cm screen. Water is added and the alfalfa is allowed to decompose for 20 days. It is then air-dried for another 20 days before use.
Kenaf. Kenaf (Hibiscus cannabinus) is a fibrous plant grown in warmer regions of the U.S. Portions of the plant are used to make paper, and the waste products can be used in growing media. Kenaf stalks contain two different fibers, bast and core. The core material is most suitable as a potting mix ingredient. Growers who have used kenaf have seen excellent results. Two greenhouse studies conducted in 1993 and 1995 showed that coarse-grade kenaf core in a 1:1 ratio with peat moss can be a suitable replacement for bark (21).
Sawdust. The quality of sawdust used as media depends on the wood. Cedar, walnut, and redwood sawdust can be toxic to plants. Oak, hickory, and maple are reputed to tie up soil nitrogen more readily than sawdust from evergreens. Sawdust from treated or painted lumber is not allowed in organic production.
this one is very popular down here.
Composted pine bark. Composted pine bark has a high lignin content, making it slow to degrade. Bark lightens the mix, increases air space, and decreases water-holding capacity. It may be substituted, in part, for peat moss. Rynk specifically recommends it as a component in blends for potted herbaceous and woody ornamentals (3). Composted pine bark appears to impart some disease resistance (10). Its pH is generally 5.0 to 6.5, and it is low in soluble salts. Mixes using composted pine bark will probably require more nitrogen supplementation.
Mississippi State University has a patent for bio-char as a peat-moss and pine bark replacement medium, plus a few more bio-char patents...http://www.google.com/patents/US20130232869
it takes some labor though to get the good stuff.
also, here's some ideas from ATTRA;
Newspaper. Ground-up newspapers can be used as a substitute for peat moss in growing media. Newsprint should not be more than 25% by volume of the mix. Avoid the inclusion of glossy paper or paper with colored inks, as these are prohibited.
Alfalfa. Alfalfa may be a good locally-available alternative to peat moss. Alfalfa provides nutrients — especially nitrogen — that are released slowly. Raw alfalfa must be processed before use in growing media. Dried alfalfa is ground and passed through a 2-cm screen. Water is added and the alfalfa is allowed to decompose for 20 days. It is then air-dried for another 20 days before use.
Kenaf. Kenaf (Hibiscus cannabinus) is a fibrous plant grown in warmer regions of the U.S. Portions of the plant are used to make paper, and the waste products can be used in growing media. Kenaf stalks contain two different fibers, bast and core. The core material is most suitable as a potting mix ingredient. Growers who have used kenaf have seen excellent results. Two greenhouse studies conducted in 1993 and 1995 showed that coarse-grade kenaf core in a 1:1 ratio with peat moss can be a suitable replacement for bark (21).
Sawdust. The quality of sawdust used as media depends on the wood. Cedar, walnut, and redwood sawdust can be toxic to plants. Oak, hickory, and maple are reputed to tie up soil nitrogen more readily than sawdust from evergreens. Sawdust from treated or painted lumber is not allowed in organic production.
this one is very popular down here.
Composted pine bark. Composted pine bark has a high lignin content, making it slow to degrade. Bark lightens the mix, increases air space, and decreases water-holding capacity. It may be substituted, in part, for peat moss. Rynk specifically recommends it as a component in blends for potted herbaceous and woody ornamentals (3). Composted pine bark appears to impart some disease resistance (10). Its pH is generally 5.0 to 6.5, and it is low in soluble salts. Mixes using composted pine bark will probably require more nitrogen supplementation.
Mississippi State University has a patent for bio-char as a peat-moss and pine bark replacement medium, plus a few more bio-char patents...http://www.google.com/patents/US20130232869
Exploziv; I've got to point out that using sphagnum moss is not advised. It can carry dangerous pathogens to humans (and plants)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17484734
http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/Sphagnum1-95.htm
It does not make for a good element in a potting mix.
Sphagnum Peatmoss is a completely different substance and it is dried and packaged. It actually contains anti-pathogens, one of the good reasons to use it.
Admittedly there are varying opinions on the harvesting of peatmoss. I find garden experts who advise using a new soil mix every growth period to be disgusting and uneducated.
In my opinion the harvest is quite well managed in Canada and companies are regulated to renew bogs as they go. Still it is difficult to know the full truth.
I recommend researching for one's own edification.
Righteous Roots
Member
Exploziv thank you I appreciate the good knowledge! I will def start to do research on finding the best option for me on keeping it sustainable and organic. God bless brother
Righteous Roots
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Thank you brother and yes let Babylon fall to ruins! The sooner the better I say. I will def take you up on that and if I have questions I will PM aa soon as I am able to! Thanks again brother Jah bless
Righteous Roots
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I guess my ultimate dream would be to use my native soil and my own organic made compost with local sustainable nutrients. I know that would work wonders for my outdoor gals but I'm just now starting to get into the indoor scene so not sure if that would be ideal do to pests and such things.
it could be done. it's a commitment. put your compost and vermi-compost in the right spot. once you get the right rhythm the pest just kind of take care of themselves. they do for me anyways... I lift up the mulch to see a bustling city of bugs. brown and red mites, centipedes, beetles, springtails...but it doesn't happen over night. you could mail order bugs though.
d3adh3ad0g
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I have a question if it's OK to. Is there any other decisions can be used to replace peat w/ no pathojens that would eco OK then leaf mold? I m sorry I cannot figure out how to edit.
Thank you
Thank you
d3adh3ad0g
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Leaf Mold by silent consensus then.
thank you
thank you
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