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Tutorial Organics for Beginners
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SteadyDoesIt
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Trying or Recipe 1, I'm thankful I stumbled upon this section!
Organics here I come
Organics here I come
SteadyDoesIt
Member
Anyone have success with Lc #2 and feeding with -#1
Sourbear
Active member
Yeah I have spent the last 6 years forcing salt uptake onto my plants at rates that the plants can't even uptake
I've wasted so much money on salts that just become useless in my medium eventually.
I'm not doing it again next year....
I run 12 smart pots each year. 80 gallon pots
My reservoir is 300 yards away from my plants.
I got a 1 inch hose running down to the plot then 1/4th inch lines going up into the pots
The quarter inch hoses get clogged from salt build ups and sugar backings
Every day I send water down the hill at least 8 of the sprayers are barley dripping or clogged.
I have to vigorously shake out the quarter inch lines to get them flowing properly again.
Its quite tedious work and I DO not ever wish to do this again.
I want to just put regular clean water through my lines so they stop clogging daily
And then when they are hungry have a tea reservoir down right at the plot.
A hanging or standing triangle reservoir with a 1inch valved hose attached to the bottom would be amazing.
I could then just hand water the microbial teas to each pot individually when they need their food.
for those 12 pots it usually takes me about 5 yards of soil to fill them
I buy new soil every 2 years and mix it into the good stuff that is left over from last years
This year i'm going to build my soil up correctly, and just water my plants with my plain well water and activate my microbial forces of DOOM whenever the girls get hungry.
I just gotta go through all the math of amending 5 yards of soil with microbial delicatessen now lol
I've wasted so much money on salts that just become useless in my medium eventually.
I'm not doing it again next year....
I run 12 smart pots each year. 80 gallon pots
My reservoir is 300 yards away from my plants.
I got a 1 inch hose running down to the plot then 1/4th inch lines going up into the pots
The quarter inch hoses get clogged from salt build ups and sugar backings
Every day I send water down the hill at least 8 of the sprayers are barley dripping or clogged.
I have to vigorously shake out the quarter inch lines to get them flowing properly again.
Its quite tedious work and I DO not ever wish to do this again.
I want to just put regular clean water through my lines so they stop clogging daily
And then when they are hungry have a tea reservoir down right at the plot.
A hanging or standing triangle reservoir with a 1inch valved hose attached to the bottom would be amazing.
I could then just hand water the microbial teas to each pot individually when they need their food.
for those 12 pots it usually takes me about 5 yards of soil to fill them
I buy new soil every 2 years and mix it into the good stuff that is left over from last years
This year i'm going to build my soil up correctly, and just water my plants with my plain well water and activate my microbial forces of DOOM whenever the girls get hungry.
I just gotta go through all the math of amending 5 yards of soil with microbial delicatessen now lol
Sourbear
Active member
Not 100% sure if I have my math right
I got twelve 80 gallon smart pots
I'm dealing with 5.5 cubic yards of soil
950 gallons
150 cubic feet
Going to be re-amending old soil with the #4 recipe
Which is 1 cup of pretty much everything per 10 gallons of soil
95 cups of kelp meal for 5.5 yards
95 cups of Dolomite Lime for 5.5 yards
95 cups of alfalfa meal for 5.5 Yards
95 cups of Bone Meal for 5.5 Yards
A quite literal SHITLOAD of Earth worm Castings (31 thirty pound bags)
And I might do the Greensand too if i can find it
Only things I'm drawing up blank on is how much Fish Bone Meal and how much Crab or Crustacean meal I should add to my 5.5 yards of soil.
I think there is a local place here in shasta that sells most meals in bulk
I got twelve 80 gallon smart pots
I'm dealing with 5.5 cubic yards of soil
950 gallons
150 cubic feet
Going to be re-amending old soil with the #4 recipe
Which is 1 cup of pretty much everything per 10 gallons of soil
95 cups of kelp meal for 5.5 yards
95 cups of Dolomite Lime for 5.5 yards
95 cups of alfalfa meal for 5.5 Yards
95 cups of Bone Meal for 5.5 Yards
A quite literal SHITLOAD of Earth worm Castings (31 thirty pound bags)
And I might do the Greensand too if i can find it
Only things I'm drawing up blank on is how much Fish Bone Meal and how much Crab or Crustacean meal I should add to my 5.5 yards of soil.
I think there is a local place here in shasta that sells most meals in bulk
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SteadyDoesIt
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1 Tbs per gallon or 5 cups per 80 gallon container.
I use 1 Tbs per gallon with all amendments but bone or fish bone meal I use 2 Tbs per gallon.
If my math is right that is 5 and 10 cups respectively per container.
Sourbear
Active member
I was just thinking today it would be so much easier for me to mix in small amounts to each pot as i filled them rather than throwing 60 or 120 cups of amendments into a giant pile and stirring all 6 yards of soil.
Also should i be worried about leftovers in my soil from feeding salts? I flush my soil with good soaks and add sugars to help a little. I'm assuming I want all my stuff mixed and damp a month before i transplant. Is there some stuff I should put into the soil to help rid it of its residual salts for that month before transplant?
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I just started a girl scout cookie x OG kush in LCs mix #2 (sunshine4) with feed mix #1 and so far its going great! picture perfect green growth with just plain filtered water, its amazing!
SteadyDoesIt
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Hell ya man! Did you make enough just for one plant? How did you get the measurements ?
I just do one plant Scrog style so I only needed enough to fill a 10 gallon container. I looked up a conversion chart online and it showed a 10 gallon planter holds about 1.5 cubic feet of volume so I started from there to get my measurements but simply just followed the directions using a 4.5 quart measuring bowl and measured out 6 parts sunshine with 2 parts ewc and 2 parts perlite.
Then dolomite lime at 1.5 cup / blood meal 3/4 cup / bone meal 1.5 cup / kelp meal 3/4 cup and mixed everything with about 2.5 gallons of water and liquid karma and mixed and stirred for two weeks to cook it before planting.
Also used a bit of extra perlite on top about 2 inches to act as a mulch layer to prevent top layer of soil from drying out and crusting over.
I have been doing hydro for years and am so sick of changing out reserviors and PHing and using chemical nutrients. THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER!!!
Hope this helps!
Sourbear
Active member
I just do one plant Scrog style so I only needed enough to fill a 10 gallon container. I looked up a conversion chart online and it showed a 10 gallon planter holds about 1.5 cubic feet of volume so I started from there to get my measurements but simply just followed the directions using a 4.5 quart measuring bowl and measured out 6 parts sunshine with 2 parts ewc and 2 parts perlite.
Then dolomite lime at 1.5 cup / blood meal 3/4 cup / bone meal 1.5 cup / kelp meal 3/4 cup and mixed everything with about 2.5 gallons of water and liquid karma and mixed and stirred for two weeks to cook it before planting.
Also used a bit of extra perlite on top about 2 inches to act as a mulch layer to prevent top layer of soil from drying out and crusting over.
I have been doing hydro for years and am so sick of changing out reserviors and PHing and using chemical nutrients. THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER!!!
Hope this helps!
That is the way I feel, I'm sick of flushing plants, sick of cleaning salt build ups in my sprayers....
And most of all I am sick of paying inflated prices for salts.
Especially when 8 different companies offer the same salt in different concentrates and amounts.
I'm going to run the three little birds mix on my old used soil.
Test out the mix in two 40 gallon pots in my 4x8 tent.
Run the two best Caboose Phenos i popped
going to low stress train the branches and top her, make her canopy spread out wide and then flip to flower.
The caboose phenos I popped are all pretty short and bushy plants
She should be a perfect indoor scrogging plant.
Most people do 3-5-10 gallon pots in their 8x4 tents but I just want two big plants. One plant for each 4x4 area.
Less soil/water management in the long run.
And I already have the 40 gallon pots.
If I train them right I should sufficiently cover the 4x8 area with an even canopy.
And then if I build my soil right I should only have to add a few teas through out the grow and the rest water =p
You have to watch the plants and learn what they are needing. But let me say most often times "Less is more". It's easier to add more than remove too much.
And, the larger the plant gets, the more food and water it needs.
With young small plants go easy. Very easy. If you burn a young plant with nitrogen it may never recover. A more mature plant will be able to mend and get healthy from an overfeeding or two.
I wish I had a better answer for you but it's something every grower must learn. Mistakes will always be made but results will follow.
I hope that helps.
Burn1
The Master returns! Good to see you posting man! Wherever you're hiding these days, it's a good spot
I ran this mix a few years ago with everything but the green jersey sand. I'm thinking of running something like this, but scaled up for a much larger size grow. Plants would be in 15 gallons and vegged for 21-30 days. Would I have to tweak anything to account for the longer veg time, and does anyone see any issues with this mix? I'm open to replacing the promix as well, although I think we can get it in totes out here.
Burn1, incredible threat!! I recently completed two runs using
LCs soilless mix #2 along with the guano teas. The finished product came out terrific but I was bummed when I received the testing results (21% total THC). I know the strain can go a lot higher than that. What would be your(or anyone's) recommendation for increasing THC content using that similar mix? Or would it be better to just moved to a super soil?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
GL
LCs soilless mix #2 along with the guano teas. The finished product came out terrific but I was bummed when I received the testing results (21% total THC). I know the strain can go a lot higher than that. What would be your(or anyone's) recommendation for increasing THC content using that similar mix? Or would it be better to just moved to a super soil?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
GL
improve your environmental controls.
Thanks heady,
My environment was pretty well-controlled, average temp is 78 with rh around 50%. But I mainly keep a close eye on the vapor pressure which is always between .900 and 1. CO2 is around 500ppm. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
GL
Boss Cocky
Active member
Thanks Mikell. I just wanted to report that my ACE Panama and Tikal are doing great in both veg and bloom on LC's soilless mix #1 made on coco with the recipe #1 made with blood and bone. They never looked this good on the Biocanna, which in turn, I preferred to the BAC organic.
I agree with you and dank.frank on the ethics of using blood and bone. I'm sympathetic to the other views and will probably go vego one day both for my health and the ethical issues in regards to animal welfare and the environment but even then, It might not affect my choice of nutrients. It's simply a matter of not wasting the byproducts of other people's consumption. Blood and bone is as cheap as chips as a byproduct. Imagine what it would cost if was the main product.
Do you think the blood and bone will be suitable for more nitrogen sensitive sativas? Obviously I would use less than the recipe states.
