organic vs chemweed

[Guest]

Another misunderstanding of the general public is the belief that organic farming benefits the environment. According to Dennis Avery, a researcher from a non-profit organization Center for Global Food Issues, this is not true. Avery argues that organic farming is associated with lower yields per acre compared with the mainstream agriculture. According to CGFI main statement, "Growing More Per Acre Leaves More Land for Nature", so from this prospective it is the mainstream agriculture that benefits the environment.

 

[Guest]

neener neener neener...i think for my closset bubbler system...chem is better...wait maybee in other places to...oh shit opinions opinions

 

[Dignan]

Panchul is greatly outnumbered when it comes to the extrapolations he makes from scientific data. An interesting read, his website, but not very compelling alongside the rest of the agricultural industry's findings.

 

[Suby]

Chems are for girls.

I laughed until my sides hurt, too funny

 

[Suby]

OK peeps here is another angle.

There is a scientist that studied the energy of food, something not alot people measure with regards to produce and food ( I will come back with his name as soon as I look it up again).
Basically he took 3 bowls of white rice.
One bowl had postive thoughts and energies projected on it, the second got dark though and sad vibes, the third was ignored completely.
In a few weeks something particular developped, the bowl with pos+ energy was still good enough to eat, it had not soured our molded.
The bad vibes bowl had fermented the rice but it had no mould, a later test of more positive vibes showed it possible to turn it back edible.
The lest ignored bowl fermented and molded making it useless and dangerous to eat.
This is s reproducable test and there is no current theory model for it except to say that things made and grown with love and caring are healthier due to the love and energy they get from us, much like children which to serious growers our plants are.

Organics is the ability to harness the veil behind natural life, it takes teaming soil life to break down soil ammendments, it even generates a heat phase full of nergy , it is sustainable and it makes us feel better.
We mix the soil with our hands and put our touch on the ingredients and the dough, a we cook a better quality of life because we care about the system and not just the $ value of the produce.

Now my question is... why in analyzing the ion is an ion debate do we never speak of energy?
Because science is limited, it barely nicks the surface of the underlying principles to the universe, if you still believe gravity is the strongest force Google string theory and watch a movie, it will more likely you'll get the sense we know verry little of how infinitely small particles react and how the particles that make those particles recat, etc. towards the infinitely small.

Music helps plants enormously, it has been proven that frequencies close to that of birdcalls will stimulate most plants stomata to open wider and feed, there is a machine you can buy to reproduce this tecnique and uses a heavy foliar as a lone feed for exceptional results even in the desert.
How many of you play a little Mozart for your plants...I do.

To really learn sometimes you have to unlearn what everyone else accepts as true and start being a sceptic and look towards the wisdoms that nature has put at our disposal.

Suby

 

[Suby]

Unicorn your using alot singular and unparralled articles, the research you are quoting is both old news and represent scientists with vested interest in the resarch of large scale farming .
The real FACTOR that si determinate of taste is more the nutrients but the tecnique of farming, I live in close proximity to farmers markets and the ANY CHEF im my area will tell you organic small farm produce is superior, the hard truth is that some people find BigMacs delectable and if those are the peeps that took the taste test then how valuable is that research???
The reality is that even if less produce is made from an organic grow, that the food itself has a high Brix content and thus is more nourishing and has a better viatmin count and sugar count.
It takes 4x more vegetables grown today to fufil our daily requirments then it did 50 yrs ago, in part because genetically modified produce is the norm wich leads to bigger yield of less healthy. tasty, and viable fruits and vegetables.

Suby

 

[Guest]

Unicorn give it up, the reason the world is so fucked up is because humans think they are superior to nature and try to control it and use it to their advantage.

There is no "winning" argument here, nature is perfect, humans are not.

 

[Dignan]

Set me in front of identical dishes, one prepared at a regular restaurant the other with organic foods... I guarantee you I can tell the difference in the first bite.

 

[Smurf]

Why do you think so many farmers all over the world are converting to organics rather than continue using synthetic ferts & chemicals?
And the farmers that haven't......... are seriously looking for alternatives?
Believe it or not there are some producers that have slowly returned the life force back into their farming land and are on par to what they were yielding with chems, but it hasn't happened over night!
Like Suby has claimed, the Brix content is far superior!

Originally posted by =bbc=
Unicorn give it up, the reason the world is so fucked up is because humans think they are superior to nature and try to control it and use it to their advantage.

I second that!

 

[Relik]

I'm getting sick of this thread, the debate is endless... it should be moved to, uh, the Toker's Den or something?

If only we had a mod...

Anyway, ever noticed in most cannabis online communities, there is an Organics forum, but no "chemweed forum"? Something to think about...

Peace

 

[Guest]

if nature was so perfect...it would have already got rid of us...i agree with the first part...and we are superior...but seeing as i use no soil and grow indoors...the whole point of organics is irrelevant is it not...organics is about soil anybody that thinks different knows not how organics works

Unicorn give it up, the reason the world is so fucked up is because humans think they are superior to nature and try to control it and use it to their advantage.

There is no "winning" argument here, nature is perfect, humans are not.

 

[Guest]

uhh maybee because they sale for more...facts are not being stated opinions are...if it was fact there would be know debate

smurff wrote,
Why do you think so many farmers all over the world are converting to organics rather than continue using synthetic ferts & chemicals?
And the farmers that haven't......... are seriously looking for alternatives?
Believe it or not there are some producers that have slowly returned the life force back into their farming land and are on par to what they were yielding with chems, but it hasn't happened over night!
Like Suby has claimed, the Brix content is far superior!

 

[Ganico]

Music helps plants enormously, it has been proven that frequencies close to that of birdcalls will stimulate most plants stomata to open wider and feed, there is a machine you can buy to reproduce this tecnique and uses a heavy foliar as a lone feed for exceptional results even in the desert.
How many of you play a little Mozart for your plants...I do.

Suby

Whaaat?!?!?!


When I get a grow up I'm gonna pump them bitches P-Funk and Al Green, hahaha. They'll be funky as hell


Bob Marley is of course a given, especially the 70's shit when he had all them funky ass synthesizers and shit, hahahaha

 

[Smurf]

Haven't you heard of this before, Ganico? Playing music to plants to stimulate growth?
Or are you just kidding around?

 

[Relik]

but seeing as i use no soil and grow indoors...the whole point of organics is irrelevant is it not...organics is about soil anybody that thinks different knows not how organics works

First of all, if the whole point of organics is irrevelant to you, then stop argueing.

Moreover, if you search a little bit (just a little I promise) you'll find the Organic Hydro forum... hell I'll even link it for you...

http://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=-1&f=70

Enjoy.

 

[Ganico]

smurf- yeah, but didn't think there was anything to it. Didn't think there was any studies on it or anything, I'll look it up, sound suspect to me though


If it did though, then yeah Al Green, P-Funk, And Bob Marley sounds like a recipe for success, haha

 

[Ganico]

Man, read this link! Anybody interested in the music/plant growth thing, click this

http://www.rexresearch.com/agro2/0agro1.htm

 

[Smurf]

After reading that article are you still sceptical about plant growth/stimulation with music Ganico?

 

[Ganico]

Well I wasn't, but after further research, there's not too much other info on it. So who knows. Could be something to it though. There'd need to be some extensive controlled tests though done here though

 

[Smurf]

Well for starters you've got that book 'The Secret Life of Plants', by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird (Harper & Row 1973).

Then you have the science that was first disclosed in an article by Andy Coghlan which appeared in New Scientist (May 28, 1994, p.10)

And now there is French physicist and musician, Joel Sternheimer, who discovered the mechanism for how plants respond to the stimulation of sound waves. Sternheimer composes musical note sequences which help plants grow and has applied for an international patent1 covering the concept.

Playing the right tune stimulates the formation of a plant's protein. "The length of a note corresponds to the real time it takes for each amino acid to come after the next," according to Sternheimer, who studied quantum physics and mathematics at Princeton University in New Jersey.

The patent includes melodies for cytochrome oxidase and cytochrome C which are two proteins involved in respiration.
Further, a tune was developed for inhibiting chalcone synthase which is an enzyme involved in making plant pigments.

And this was from just one site!