Organic Fanatics - Australia

[Mtn. Nectar]

hey wibur.....don't mean to tread on thread just addin' on....and look forward to your tendin'.......

howdy back SiverSurfer......and thanks for the kind words....

sounds like you have some winners in the makin'......I also like what the Rhino can do in hybrids......I was gifted some CD Bx3 x Rhino/Wreck and look forward to sowin' come spring as heard good things about these....

appreciate your work with organics and also permaculture......I have been following that line of thought as well and really enjoy the simplicity of it all........Sepp is inspirational to pull off in Austrian Alp's at such an altitude......some of the better flowers I've tended came from 5000+' elevation......closer to the sun the better.......

thanks for the tips and keep up the great work.......

Cheers mate....!


pic is of one pheno of D'bluze....

ganj on......

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Nice work Mtn Nectar. Yup my Rhino x's are very tough and just love to grow!

wilbur: I dont usually measure much exactly. Just a little splash in my sprayer and im good to go. With kelp extracts less is more. It is really the trace elements and growth hormones we are after. The best advice is little and often. I use kelp at least every week up until about week 3 or 4 of flower. For a rough guide one teaspoon per litre is a good place to start for kelp and molasses.

I really like the Nutritech kelp and fulvic acid powder. Its very affordable and goes a long way. I use it more in my indoors as the fulvic acid is great for more hydroponics style grows and soiless media. Also because Seasol is alkaline (basic) and i already have a wee bit too much lime in my mix i dont want to use it indoors at the mo.

Outdoors in my more acidic soil Seasol is perfect

vandelay: Not sure about liquid potash. My advice would be (as always) go very light at first and observe how the plant responds. If using good soil etc then you should just need a little of everything.

In soiless you need more liquid feeds.

In flower you cant go wrong with chicken poo (preferably composted), molasses and kelp. Read up on plant extracts also and use what you have on hand, for example i use comfrey and camellia in flower.

I will go into a bit more detail on various plants and there uses as fertiliser/tonics soon...

 

[wilbur]

haven't seen it and am wondering where I might purchase this liquid potash, Vandelay?

definately not an expert but thought one should not foliar spray to runoff. that way yr soil is not effected by the spray.

 

[vandelay]

Silversurfer: one fo my holes is filled with lots of coco and perlite with mushroom compost on top then mulch so i will use the potash on that one and probly two others in soil and the other i might use just rooster booster & molasses. Il read up about those extracts to.

wilbur: You can get it at any hydro store looks good to me and its $60 for 5l and you only use 1ml/l. Im going to be putting it straight into the soil not foliar spraying it.

 

[wilbur]

ok Vandelay. dunno wot'll happen straight into the soil.

but this ratio of NPK seems perfect for flowering rather than growth.

there's an idea at present on an unmentionable ozzie site that during flowering N needs to be well below 10 ... some claim no N at all during flowering.

so that's where I was coming from.

Cheers!

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

The above is all relative to media, pot size and strain.

For instance i have one RB X Sat in a 'traditional' hempy with coco, perlite and compost and a perlite reservoir. The plant exploded into growth after transplant and is now head and shoulders above everything else and has all the signs of N deficiency. Big time. She also has bright red stems which probs means K def too because none of her sisters have any red on the stems.

None of her sisters have any signs of deficiencies and have all been on the same nutes.

Now it could just be this seed was primed to grow into a monster but i dont think so. The plant responded to the light, aerated and well drained medium and has exhausted its nutrient supply i mixed into the medium.

My other plants are in exactly the same pots with a drainage hole about 2 inches from the bottom and with varied mixes as substrate.

Yield wise it maybe no better as the stems have really stretched and the flowers are smaller than many others. It will be interesting to see how she finishes up

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

ps. I gave her what i consider a strong hit of a nettle, lucerne EM1 nutrient soak and she still looks mega hungry. Might have to try some fresh urine but have to be careful not to overdose as only 4 weeks away from harvest...

The medium is still very wet and the EC will increase as she dries.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

ps. I gave her what i consider a strong hit of a nettle, lucerne EM1 nutrient soak and she still looks mega hungry. Might have to try some fresh urine but have to be careful not to overdose as only 4 weeks away from harvest...

The medium is still very wet and the EC will increase as she dries.

 

[wilbur]

not quite understanding you Silver. you mean in relation to reduced N during flowering? anyway I didn't say the idea of reduced N was correct ... I just put it out there as a current theory ...

Vandelay I wouldn't use what you're asking about because it will flush away and you'll have to keep putting more in/on. but I 'm trying to get away from visiting/feeding my plants often cos I 'm lazy.

In pots I 'm relying on pure compost with added charlie carp during veg but I have natural rock potash (very slow relase) in the mix too figuring it will become soluble just around flowering time and help with high K needs then.

like I said, it's a lazy man's recipe ... and so far unproven altho things are lookin good!

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Reducing N during flower is a good thing no doubt. But to flower to full potential dont really want to see N deficiency until week 6 or so.

What im really saying is that in a pot or container there will only ever be a finite amount of nutrition and once its gone its gone. The best way to apply N i believe is to stock up either as a mulch/topdress in late veg or to give heavy doses in liquid form in early flower. Then its just a case of little feeds so she has gobbled all the N come week 6 (8 week flower)

In the ground/large bed whole different ball game potentially... especially if using N fixing plants and good levels of fungi/soil helpers

There is also credible evidence a plant can shut off its N absorption anyways as a natural part of senesance. This would be overrided perhaps with more soluble ferts and especially NPK style chem ferts...

 

[luvaduck]

Reducing N during flower is a good thing no doubt. But to flower to full potential dont really want to see N deficiency until week 6 or so.

What im really saying is that in a pot or container there will only ever be a finite amount of nutrition and once its gone its gone. The best way to apply N i believe is to stock up either as a mulch/topdress in late veg or to give heavy doses in liquid form in early flower. Then its just a case of little feeds so she has gobbled all the N come week 6 (8 week flower)

In the ground/large bed whole different ball game potentially... especially if using N fixing plants and good levels of fungi/soil helpers

There is also credible evidence a plant can shut off its N absorption anyways as a natural part of senesance. This would be overrided perhaps with more soluble ferts and especially NPK style chem ferts...

Yeah man, N plays a small part, but the strain dictates this. One with a high percentage of sativa and a large stretch will use slightly more than a higher indica ratio and hence less stretch, but this is common sense. But yeah, it's that dialing in to see exactly when to cut out the N and feed purely for flowering, and then flushing if you do. With my sativas i will give them N up until about wk 4 of flowering, then flowering ferts until about when the pistils start to die off - about 3/4 way through, then water until dieback.

I believe you are right about the N shutoff of plants at this stage as it is a normal part of plant sensence to shut down the systems they don't need any more, and move on to others, use up what they need and move on.(sorta like humans)

Ramble ramble. Stonefield on tv. Sexy young rockin gals. check em out.

 

[luvaduck]

Update - the future of rock is in good hands - just watched these gals belt out 'whole lotta love' like champs...... must have hippy parents. G'day and congratulations on some great kids if you're in! Organic fans for sure. Sorry for the rant SS, over to you.....

 

[Mtn. Nectar]

good info SS.....
as for myself this is why additions go in soil winter so plant can use as it needs durin' season.........no force feedin' needed.......

ganj on.....

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Thanks for the inputs guys.

Ramble on luvaduck

Yes we must remember that in organics we are feeding the soil more than dierectly feeding the plant.

 

[wilbur]

I see good fellowship on this thread today! a pleasant day to you all ... and at last it's looking like it might rain!

 

[luvaduck]

Good evening all, thought i'd show you some results from my tumbleweed compost bin. I highly recommend these. 100 litres full capacity, i have two on rotation and find that in the current 32deg C 80 % humidity and daily rainfall, composting can be really fast.......




the tumbleweed.....
by the way, did anyone ever see them at any dusty, smokey ol festivals? they rocked......



pH is at 6.75 after only 10 days
temperature is still slighty above air temp, but only a couple of degrees.



unfortunately with such a quick composting process, some parts like leaves don't have time to break down, but these bins are primarily used for household scrap, so i don't care, so long as they can feed the garden and it doesn't stink.



I add a bit of this stuff, i think it's bran and malted grain, no

t sure though. Also some chopped aloe vera and a watering of molasses to kick things along a bit.



this is what the stuff looks like. you can get it at bunnings but if any one has a recipe for similar, i'd love to see it.

For a full 100 lt bin, i also chuck in 1 cup of nutritech rock phosphate.

It needs to be turned every day, but i have been using this at around 3 weeks old with great results, especially on corn....

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Nice one mate.

How much finished product are you left with?

I have a new compost heap that certainly heated up this time. Plenty of freshly mowed grass and other green weeds plus some wood chips that had already been through the council tip compost. That and 2 large salmon frames in the middle and various activators such as comfrey, yarrow, molasses and urine.

It has already halved in volume and been turned once. Not sure if it now has enough mass to hold onto the heat but we shall see...

 

[luvaduck]

Mmmmm salmon. Did you catch them yourself? I normally dig my frames into a resting patch, but in any case those oily fish frames are the go.
I end up with about 30 - 40 litres of finished product.

 

[wilbur]

must get a compost tumbler seeing as I can't make piles work. good to get a brand name to seek on the web.

Silver, Anyone, would you mind looking at Nutri-tech's site, in the home garden section of "products", and tell me which of these liquid products would be good come flowering time?

still hasn't rained here! bugger! maybe this week.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Well the Backyard Blooms one i would say would be a good bet I love their Stimulate kelp and fulvc acid powder also. Its great for seedlings, veg and flower!

I would also recommend their Phos-life product which has high levels of phosporous and calcium. I have used it before and it worked good. http://www.nutri-tech.com.au/products/mms/phos-life.html

Get the raindance going on wilbur!