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Genghis Kush.
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In his book “The King of Nepal”, Joe PietriI talks about a load of hash that he had stashed in Nepal to be smuggled out at a later date. The hash dried out too much to be worth shipping. He says he mixed it with opium to soften it up and make it sellable. He claims this was most likely the only suitcase of Opiated Hash to be ever shipped to the US
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Genghis Kush.
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tstick
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Opiated Thai Sticks were real.
I heard the process to make them involved the rinse water used to clean out the pots that opium paste was made in....don't know how it was applied/dipped/sprayed/etc.....no idea. I know it takes a special opium pipe to smoke opium properly, but I can tell you that the effect of an opiated Thai Stick smoked in a joint was an unforgettable experience for me and I've been at it since 1975. And some might suggest that the best Thai weed would have that kind of effect, too....no. Thai weed was the best weed I've ever smoked....but an opiated Thai stick wasn't like weed....not by a long shot.
Anyone who says that they are a myth obviously never got in on any of them. They weren't an everyday thing. Just because you might have been a pot smoker back then, didn't have anything to do with getting opiated Thai sticks. They were very rare and you almost had to know someone who was in the Vietnam War to find them. I managed to get two of them in my entire life back in 1975. I've never had anything like them since.
I can't say that the method was "correct" in order for the opium to be vaporized or whatever, but it certainly worked to smoke some of it in a joint, regardless. You'd only know IF you had it. I did and I also know a few others who did and will tell you the same thing.
Nothing mythical about it. Opiated Thai Sticks were real.
I heard the process to make them involved the rinse water used to clean out the pots that opium paste was made in....don't know how it was applied/dipped/sprayed/etc.....no idea. I know it takes a special opium pipe to smoke opium properly, but I can tell you that the effect of an opiated Thai Stick smoked in a joint was an unforgettable experience for me and I've been at it since 1975. And some might suggest that the best Thai weed would have that kind of effect, too....no. Thai weed was the best weed I've ever smoked....but an opiated Thai stick wasn't like weed....not by a long shot.
Anyone who says that they are a myth obviously never got in on any of them. They weren't an everyday thing. Just because you might have been a pot smoker back then, didn't have anything to do with getting opiated Thai sticks. They were very rare and you almost had to know someone who was in the Vietnam War to find them. I managed to get two of them in my entire life back in 1975. I've never had anything like them since.
I can't say that the method was "correct" in order for the opium to be vaporized or whatever, but it certainly worked to smoke some of it in a joint, regardless. You'd only know IF you had it. I did and I also know a few others who did and will tell you the same thing.
Nothing mythical about it. Opiated Thai Sticks were real.
The meme of smoking opium and laying on the ground comes from Opium brokers adulterating the opium with opium ash which contains high levels of morphine .
Steven: The reasons for that stereotype are manifold, and, as with all stereotypes, they’re partly based on fact and partly on misunderstanding. During the heyday of the opium trade, raw opium exported by the British from India to China was purchased by Chinese brokers who then repackaged the product for sale to opium smokers within China. These brokers processed the raw opium into smoking opium, or chandu, and during this process they added impurities — the most common being opium ash — in the same way that drug cartels add nonessential ingredients to pure cocaine or heroin in order to boost their profits. Opium ash has a high morphine content, and adding it to pure opium not only increased the quantity of the product, it also made the high more numbing. So people with limited means who smoked low-quality opium cut with opium ash were more likely to lie around in a daze. And these were exactly the kind of smokers most often witnessed by Westerners living or traveling in China.
However, pure, good quality chandu smoked in moderation was energizing, both physically and mentally. So the effects really depended a lot on the kind of opium being smoked.
Steven: The reasons for that stereotype are manifold, and, as with all stereotypes, they’re partly based on fact and partly on misunderstanding. During the heyday of the opium trade, raw opium exported by the British from India to China was purchased by Chinese brokers who then repackaged the product for sale to opium smokers within China. These brokers processed the raw opium into smoking opium, or chandu, and during this process they added impurities — the most common being opium ash — in the same way that drug cartels add nonessential ingredients to pure cocaine or heroin in order to boost their profits. Opium ash has a high morphine content, and adding it to pure opium not only increased the quantity of the product, it also made the high more numbing. So people with limited means who smoked low-quality opium cut with opium ash were more likely to lie around in a daze. And these were exactly the kind of smokers most often witnessed by Westerners living or traveling in China.
However, pure, good quality chandu smoked in moderation was energizing, both physically and mentally. So the effects really depended a lot on the kind of opium being smoked.
BOEL brought that load in to maui "Papa Gradita Colitas", Came from Papanoa in Guerrero Mexico , also know as Acapulco gold or the Bolt in Hawaii , thats is also how Lightning Bolt Surfboards got there name Gerry Lopez was there when load came in held up a bud said it looked like a lighting bolt
they crossed an Afghan to it called it Maui Wowie to sell back it on mainland
tstick
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I can't really understand how people who never experienced opiated Thai sticks can argue that they were a myth or that is was a dream or whatever. While it's very true that not everyone got in on them, it doesn't mean that other people DID get in on them. Whatever stories or reasonings that have been attached to them, after the fact....like theories about HOW they were opiated...or WHY someone would want to opiate them...I've heard a few different ones. The validity of that stuff is somewhat questionable. However, I was there when opiated Thai Sticks showed up in my little town. I knew Vietnam War vets and Peace Corps workers who brought them back. They told us what the sticks were, but not the "how" or "why" about them. And nobody asked! It was just an opportunity to try a different type of high. We didn't care about any of the background information. There were no connoisseurs or anything like that. There were just some people who got lucky to be included on the rare experience.
It would be really cool to try and make some opiated Thai sticks.
It would be really cool to try and make some opiated Thai sticks.
Persianfarmer
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the issue is as you have said ,
its always second hand experience , told by someone else , to the person who posts about it , or third hand ,
there is no single person who was where thai sticks were being made , who says yes i saw this happening ,
no smuggler who said , yes i moved a lot of that stuff ,
no thai people who said , yes we made those ,
no busts of any thai sticks with opium on them ,
its almost like it never happened , lol ...
really if anyone who deals in facts read this thread ,
and saw the lack of evidence for opiated thai sticks ,
it would be clear which way they would sway to believing...
as has been said by many ,, some folks used opium and cannabis together ,
but the cannabis was just a vehicle in this combination , its potency , quality , etc would have been negated by the opium ,
so why use the very best, and thai sticks were the very best around ,
so strong in fact , that some people managed to convince others they were laced with opium , the proof of that is in this thread , its just there was no opium on them ... the reasons for that are also in these pages ,
no need to try to convince anyone of your second or third hand experiences , using no evidence , its not happening ....
Genghis Kush.
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I spoke to my friend last night who was Mike Ritters partner. I asked him again about this and he says that its possible that a shipment went out once by someone (not them) but it would ruin the weed and make it mostly un burnable .
He said what Donald Mallard is saying , it makes no sense to ruin the weed with low grade opium water, since there was plenty of good herb and opium around back then. why would some one risk smuggling an inferior product?
If people were getting super ripped than it was probably weed laced with something other than opium water.
or maybe it was there first experience with a heavy narcotic afghan variety after only knowing tropical sativas.
Im guessing most people who claim this have never smoked pure opium.
He said what Donald Mallard is saying , it makes no sense to ruin the weed with low grade opium water, since there was plenty of good herb and opium around back then. why would some one risk smuggling an inferior product?
If people were getting super ripped than it was probably weed laced with something other than opium water.
or maybe it was there first experience with a heavy narcotic afghan variety after only knowing tropical sativas.
Im guessing most people who claim this have never smoked pure opium.
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tstick
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How about the fact that I smoked both Thai weed, non-opiated Thai Sticks as well as opiated Thai sticks so I have the experience to compare all of it? Yeah, the Thai weed was better than pretty much anything else we had access to at that time. But it was, in no way even close to the experience of smoking an opiated Thai Stick. The weed was certainly just incidental no matter how good it was. It was just a very mild way of experiencing some of the effects of opium. ANYTHING coming from SE Asia, in those days, was rare. certainly more exotic, because the only way that we could get access to Thai ANYTHING was via the Vietnam War -especially in my little midwest town. But, see, the thing is, I DID know veterans and Peace Corps workers who brought some back. It was in no way a smuggling operation, by any means....at least not by anyone I knew. It was just some of the hometown guys coming back with some cool "souvenirs" they found out about when they were over there, and then sharing it with close friends. In fact, after everyone was back from the war, and those batches had been smoked, we never saw any of that stuff ever again. It was a one-time deal and if you weren't there and didn't know the right people, then you were on the outside. That's must be why it's so hard to believe. Man, people got into BAD trouble for doing anything with weed back then. It was very secretive stuff. No one was documenting anything. But a few of us, who were around then, are still around and we can tell the stories, now.
Another thing is that these so-called "myths" about opiated Thai sticks are wide-spread enough that they couldn't have come out of just the few vets that I knew. So that means that all the other stories that have been told about opiated Thai sticks, by people all over the world, must have originated from other veterans who did a similar thing -bringing a very small amount packed into a duffle bag, on a cargo plane...Or packed into the cavity of some ceramic Siamese cat sculptures....*cough*
Like Jimi Hendrix once said...."....are you experienced? Or, have you ever been experienced? Well, I have."
so u were told ,
but how can u be sure , did u test the stuff ??
was there visibly opium on these sticks?
the stories came about due to the potency of the weed ,
some got so wacked , then either assumed , or were told it was because of the added opium, its as simple as that , no need to complicate things ...
some of the gi s could have added it themselves even ..
like everyone has said ,, there were people who mixed cannabis and opium, it was definitely done ,
but not with the best cannabis , that would have been sacrilege ,
so putting it on thai sticks would have been a no no ...
im pretty bored with this story now ... im out , there is no solving it,
im fairly certain given the first hand accounts ive heard , there was no opium on thai sticks exported , also the fact that it overpowered any cannabis affects , so just crazy using it on the best cannabis around ,
sam skunkman said he asked thais who were in the business, when he was there, they said it was an urban myth ,, kinda trumps any vet stories i think .. up to you though ,, i dont care either way since it was nearly 50 years ago now ...
