- Opiated Thai Sticks: Myth or Truth? -

[@hempy]

why do you need to attack my credibility , when you dont like yours questioned at all ????

if you are going to quote people , as you told someone a few pages ago , get it right and say it all , dont just cherry pick and get it ass about while trying to question their credibility ,

How am I attacking your credibility, Wally ?

All I did was prove a point, and that point was you were too young to even know what Thai was around and being imported in.

By your own admission you were 14/15 when the Thai imports stopped and going by your own experience we had a year more of imports here than you did down south.

I know what I saw and what I scored and smoked.

First it was you can't lace cannabis with opium, then it was Thais never smoked opium laced cannabis, well both of those arguments were proven incorrect.

I stand by what I originally said that resulted in this thread being started.

 

[Donald Mallard]

How am I attacking your credibility, Wally ?

All I did was prove a point, and that point was you were too young to even know what Thai was around and being imported in.

By your own admission you were 14/15 when the Thai imports stopped and going by your own experience we had a year more of imports here than you did down south.

I know what I saw and what I scored and smoked.

First it was you can't lace cannabis with opium, then it was Thais never smoked opium laced cannabis, well both of those arguments were proven incorrect.

I stand by what I originally said that resulted in this thread being started.

no mate ,, please learn to read and interpret a little better ,
the last thai i saw was in 85 ,, by my admissions , lol ,,
golden , not on the stick thai ,
the best thai also ...
also , you contradicted yourself several times ,, and said i smoked my first thai in 84 , then it was i last saw thai in 84 , and as u wrote later , 84 was never even mentioned in the podcast ,
you cant even get that right ..

everyone said u can put opium with weed ,, ffs man , you are so obtuse at times ,
but why waste good weed by doing that , not just good weed ,, the best ,
its like you havent even bothered to read or take in anything anyone has said ,
the ironic thing ,, you are the only one in this thread who reckons u smoked thai stick weed with opium on it that you are trying to convince everyone , was made in thailand to export , laced with opium,
which just never was a thing ,
you are like a dog with a bone ,
you cant admit that you dont know if thai stick was ever exported laced with opium,
maybe they just did 1 pound , and sent it all to your neighbourhood ,
or maybe someone was tricking you , or maybe they put some opium on it , just for fun...
you have no idea about how export stuff works ..

you have not proven to anyone anything we didnt already know ,
you have not proven there was any thai stick exported to anywhere laced with opium ,
and u cant ...
dont bother replying to me , i wont be answering any more of your crazy stuff man ,
id prefer to go about the day with a positive note like i usually do ...

 

[oldmaninbc]

Someone passed me a joint laced with PCP once.
Folks have always laced drugs with other drugs, weed is laced with synthetic crap by some these days.

I buy into the "myth" that thai stick could have been laced with opium. ANY pot could have been laced with opium.
Dealers want you hooked, they ain't your friends.

Anyone want to buy some pot? I've laced it with spider mites and dog hairs. Thrips cost extra.

THRIPS...that is not a word I like to hear. Cost me a crop. I was the damn fool who did yardwork and then went to my tent with yard clean up cloths on.
I smoked cannabis oil combined with an extract of opium, it was different and ok to try it but it is not something I would want to use. It dampens the spirit of a good cannabis.

 

[@hempy]

no mate ,, please learn to read and interpret a little better ,
the last thai i saw was in 85 ,, by my admissions , lol ,,
golden , not on the stick thai ,
the best thai also ...
also , you contradicted yourself several times ,, and said i smoked my first thai in 84 , then it was i last saw thai in 84 , and as u wrote later , 84 was never even mentioned in the podcast ,
you cant even get that right ..

Wally I heard what you said in the video and I can read what the Transcript of the same video says as can anyone that chooses to watch it or to read the transcript. What I posted was from the transcript of that video.

You started to grow because Thai imports stopped is what you said, and you started to grow in 83 it was after Ash Wednesday. Ash Wednesday happened (16 February 1983).

To be honest, this is all irrelevant to the thread topic, apart from you being too young to really know what was being imported in and sold through the late 70s and up until it stopped being imported in 84/85.

Just because you don't want to believe it happened, don't make it so, Wally.

Think we should just leave it here, you believe what ever you want mate, I know what I saw and smoked.

 

[oldmaninbc]

I have never consumed opiates so I have one question. Aren't opium effects exactly the opposite of good Thai sativa?

Good question and answer.

 

[oldmaninbc]

If they did opiate weed ,why did they stop?

I can't think of many cannabis enthusiasts who would want to become addicted to opium.

 

[@hempy]

I can't think of many cannabis enthusiasts who would want to become addicted to opium.

I often thought that was the idea behind the opiated Thai sticks years after, to be honest.

If you smoked a little too much of it, you would be throwing up, not a pleasant experience, and you really didn't need that much of it to get to that point.

 

[wh1p3dm34t]

With this private affair move to PRIVATE MESSAGING.
IT IS VERY BORING TO READ IT 100x TIMES

 

[CocoNut 420]

I thought it was a myth, it didn't seem logical to me that anyone would mix a valuable drug into weed besides for personal use.

That aside I wouldn't mind a puff on opium, it's been years since I indulged with opiates but I did enjoy quality pain killers.

 

[nepalnt21]

Someone passed me a joint laced with PCP once.

such a thoughtful gift

 

[kro-magnon]

I had a source for thai weed in Paris in the 2000's and there was a red tissue thread to maintain the flowers together, it was not great quality but I'm sure the travel and stocking conditions degrading the original quality of the buds.
About opiated weed or hashish it has never been a product distributed on big scale, maybe some isolated growers combined the two products but it drives the cost much higher than simple cannabis as opium is more expensive. I remember rumors about Black Bombay who was supposedly hash and opium mixed together but personally I've never seen anything like this.

 

[Donald Mallard]

I thought it was a myth, it didn't seem logical to me that anyone would mix a valuable drug into weed besides for personal use.

That aside I wouldn't mind a puff on opium, it's been years since I indulged with opiates but I did enjoy quality pain killers.

excellent for such things ,
heroin was superior to the modern day morphine ,
with that regard ,
its just it was sold with the premise it was not addictive ,
however that proved to be incorrect ,
kinda similar to the oxycodone epidemic of our modern day really ...

heroin is better for what it was used for than morphine ,
and only places like in the uk still use it in the hospital system,
as it is quite addictive ...

folks who developed addictions were known to try and sell all sorts of things ,
like building materials , and all manner of junk to support their habits ,
eventually becoming known as junkies for such behaviour ...

 

[kro-magnon]

excellent for such things ,
heroin was superior to the modern day morphine ,
with that regard ,
its just it was sold with the premise it was not addictive ,
however that proved to be incorrect ,
kinda similar to the oxycodone epidemic of our modern day really ...

heroin is better for what it was used for than morphine ,
and only places like in the uk still use it in the hospital system,
as it is quite addictive ...

folks who developed addictions were known to try and sell all sorts of things ,
like building materials , and all manner of junk to support their habits ,
eventually becoming known as junkies for such behaviour ...

Building materials?? What the hell were they consuming?

 

[Donald Mallard]

Building materials?? What the hell were they consuming?

just heroin ,, but they collected materials from building sites to sell to fund their habits ,
and they are the ones that became known as junkies , a term still common today ...

 

[kro-magnon]

just heroin ,, but they collected materials from building sites to sell to fund their habits ,
and they are the ones that became known as junkies , a term still common today ...

OK it makes more sense than getting high with building materials

 

[Donald Mallard]

OK it makes more sense than getting high with building materials

haha ,
well maybe they would be the scaffolders rather than the junkies ...
i know a few of those who are pretty high though other than how high their work may take them ,
tradesmen where i live are well known to be drug users ...

 

[Cvh]

Thank you everyone for all your replies in my thread. I very much appreciate everyone's input.

Please feel free to continue sharing your stories, opinions, pictures and videos.

Cheers

 

[mexcurandero420]

1980

 

[Donald Mallard]

a quote from the guys who wrote the thai stick book ,,,

Mike Ritter spent years trying to get the origin story of the Thai Stick and we never really did, other than they had been making them for generations. However, by the 80s, after people started trying bad weed to sticks nobody wanted them. Next came lightly pressed loaves and then pressed Thai. Esthetics gave way to greed sadly...


also , interestingly ,
the american gi s were mostly stationed at an airbase in Udonthani ,
which is where they came across the thai sticks , and later where many smugglers were buying large loads from @ $3 a kilo in the same area ,
this was weed grown by thais , not hmong , or meo tribesmen , who really dont have any groups in that area , they are more likely found in the north , places like chang mai etc ... ...

10 000 american soldiers were based in Udonthani during the vietnam war ,
ive been to the museam where the history is told in both stories and many pictures ,
as well as some items left behind ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

i dunno why they refer to it as udorn ,
its udonthani , which translates to north town ...
sometimes its hard to hear quite what thai people say ,
they are often soft spoken , and some letters merge together ,
like k and g , t and s , its hard to hear exactly what they have said ,
i always try go get the spelling in english some how , then try to pronounce with their accent ,
if i dont hear it properly in the first place that is ...

i grow a thai/chinese root that is similar to ginger , lesser ginger ,
its spelt krachai , but its more a g at the beginning than a k , a little of both ,
takes a little to pronounce properly ,,
gunja , aka kuncha , is much the same sort of thing ...



Mike Ferguson first traveled to Udorn, Thailand during the Vietnam War. With a Thai dictionary and sign language, he told a cab driver that he was a tropical agriculture graduate student interested in seeing a ganja farm. In one village near Udorn, his driver put out the call and everyone scattered. Within minutes, villagers returned with bags and bags of Thai sticks. “It was a cottage industry. They all did it, and it cost about three dollars a kilo!” Ferguson put the load in custom-built boxes, labeled them scientific equipment, and shipped them back to Hawaii air freight. Although Ferguson thought he was playing “Moscow Rules,” surfer scammer Craig Williams heard through the grapevine that Ferguson had just put together another load, and contacted him. Ferguson knew of Williams because he’d a made a name for himself by successfully sailing the first load of Papa Grande’s colitas to Oahu. At the time, the seedless Mexican buds, made famous by the Eagles’ hit song “Hotel California” (1974), were so much stronger than any other pot in Hawaii that the Honolulu Advertiser warned that a new “superpot” had invaded the islands. #fergy#udorn#potpioneers