Oldtimer's Haze

[LostTribe]

Man I wish I had a way to take macros of this OTPH. Its at 18 months cure and just reached its prime. Broke up a chunk in a bowl to remove the beans I made and crumbled it up super fine. Its dark incense earthy tones are only truly unleashed upon burning her. On exhaling I am overcome with a dank intense spicy church incense combined with dark berry background.

Its the type of smoke if you leave the room after smoking and come back in you want to just stick your nose back in an keep inhaling for the ultra old school exotic experience.

This is turning into my deserted island strain.
Such a difference from any other strain I have experienced.

Feeling good and time for another bowl! Cheers Then!
LT

 

[SolarLogos]

Nice report LT! I have OTH coming up outdoors this spring and I'm super excited. Your report has me salivating. I have 7 freebies from about 14 months ago and ordered 7 more freebies with my last order. Hopefully I can find a nice purple in there somewhere.
Peace, God bless

 

[LostTribe]

Nice report LT! I have OTH coming up outdoors this spring and I'm super excited. Your report has me salivating. I have 7 freebies from about 14 months ago and ordered 7 more freebies with my last order. Hopefully I can find a nice purple in there somewhere.
Peace, God bless

I got the very last pack of The Purple Old-timer Haze that ACE had left.

It must have been divine intervention, thank you Dubi and crew!
LT

a bit later on, I don't normally but I may have over indulged!

 

[LostTribe]

Nice report LT! I have OTH coming up outdoors this spring and I'm super excited. Your report has me salivating. I have 7 freebies from about 14 months ago and ordered 7 more freebies with my last order. Hopefully I can find a nice purple in there somewhere.
Peace, God bless

I also have a pack of the OTH that Dubi sent after the POTH only germ'd 1 female and I think 2 males.

I believe he has stated that the purple pheno can be found in the OTH. The Purple represents old Columbian Highland if memory serves. Good luck. I would plant in a very very very light mix with little to no amending and go from there. They really take off and will burn in normal amended soil. Don't feed hardly any N. Start way way low. I burnt the heck out of that one and it still turned out fine after a month it started to recover with new leaf growth that wasn't burnt.

Good Luck,LT

 

[SolarLogos]

I also have a pack of the OTH that Dubi sent after the POTH only germ'd 1 female and I think 2 males.

I believe he has stated that the purple pheno can be found in the OTH. The Purple represents old Columbian Highland if memory serves. Good luck. I would plant in a very very very light mix with little to no amending and go from there. They really take off and will burn in normal amended soil. Don't feed hardly any N. Start way way low. I burnt the heck out of that one and it still turned out fine after a month it started to recover with new leaf growth that wasn't burnt.

Good Luck,LT

Thank you very much LT, that is very useful information and coming from yourself, who has quite a bit of knowledge on growing this strain. I have been debating on whether to grow in a coco mix, with a little worm castings and quano at transplant, but am also considering an un-amended soil mix, since I like the idea of top dressing occasionally with worm castings and light organic feedings if necessary. There is an old thread on here, I will have to look for it. There is a soil recipe in a book that was supposed to be the Haze Brothers soil mix, coming from Sam himself, who comments on the thread. It was a bit more than I want to duplicate, but the part that got me was the pH, he recommended 7.5-8.5, "sweet for the connoisseur's treat." That's quite a bit higher than I am comfortable with, but did you find that the OTH has a sweet spot or pH preference? Would there have been a purpose for the higher pH?

Peace, God bless

 

[SolarLogos]

Thank you very much LT, that is very useful information and coming from yourself, who has quite a bit of knowledge on growing this strain. I have been debating on whether to grow in a coco mix, with a little worm castings and quano at transplant, but am also considering an un-amended soil mix, since I like the idea of top dressing occasionally with worm castings and light organic feedings if necessary. There is an old thread on here, I will have to look for it. There is a soil recipe in a book that was supposed to be the Haze Brothers soil mix, coming from Sam himself, who comments on the thread. It was a bit more than I want to duplicate, but the part that got me was the pH, he recommended 7.5-8.5, "sweet for the connoisseur's treat." That's quite a bit higher than I am comfortable with, but did you find that the OTH has a sweet spot or pH preference? Would there have been a purpose for the higher pH?

Peace, God bless

Here is the link to the thread on the original soil recipe for OTH by the Haze Brothers. It's from 2008:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=92990


Any thoughts anyone on why the high pH in the recipe?
Peace, God bless

 

[orfeas]

My toms have always been thriving in abundance of Calcium and Magnesium that turn the soil alcaline... my cannas have also been relishing the same soil... common sense or naivety?

orfeas

 

[SolarLogos]

My toms have always been thriving in abundance of Calcium and Magnesium that turn the soil alcaline... my cannas have also been relishing the same soil... common sense or naivety?

orfeas

Got 7 seeds wet last night. My outdoor grow season has begun! Thank you so much Dubi and Ace for sharing these awesome genetics! I've been looking forward to this grow season. I might have to experiment on soil pH, but not with these, clones maybe.
These were from Jan. 2018.

I'm planning to flip them in July so I can have the proper heat and light intensity to finish them.

Peace, God bless

 

[Feb2006er]

1/2 cubic feet earth worm castings
1/4 cubic feet coco coir
1/4 cubic feet sphagnum moss

1 cup gypsum
1 cup insect frass *
1 cup alafalfa *
1 cup fish bone meal *
1 cup fresh ground malted barley
1 cup biochar *
1/2 cup glacial rock dust
1/2 cup oyster shell flour
1/2 cup kelp *
1/4 cup epsom salts
1/4 cup Azos
1/4 cup Mykos
Barley straw to mulch
12 cover crop blend from buildasoil
Handful of worms

*use half as much for seedlings and new clones to plant into. Use full strength for transplants.

Purple Haze with Pati Morada genes tend to take more N than the greens do. Mangobiche and Honduras and green haze like it at about 3/4 strength. Golden tiger, Panama, Cuban Black Haze, and purple OTH take it full strength.

 

[SolarLogos]

Not a good start

Not a good start

Got 7 seeds wet last night. My outdoor grow season has begun! Thank you so much Dubi and Ace for sharing these awesome genetics! I've been looking forward to this grow season. I might have to experiment on soil pH, but not with these, clones maybe.https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=79757&pictureid=1931629View Image
These were from Jan. 2018.

I'm planning to flip them in July so I can have the proper heat and light intensity to finish them.

Peace, God bless

Can someone who has grown OTH tell me, do they generally germinate pretty slowly? It took mine 3 days for 3 seeds to open. Two of them that opened have barely changed in 48 hours. I'm using the standard method, wet paper towels. pH is 6.8, temps being carefully monitored at 75-76F degrees. Paper towels changed ever other day.

The one on the bottom got planted in coco/pearlite mix. Here it is and it's lifting it's head up out of the mix this morning:
The other two, have hardly budged in two days. There is some growth to the tap root, but very very slow. The other 4 seeds have not opened at all after 5 days.

Sorry about the color, the flash didn't go off, so it's orange kitchen lighting. Any thoughts anyone?
Peace, God bless

 

[Feb2006er]

Take 1tblsp fresh aloe gel and 2tblsp coconut water and 1L de-chlorinated water and blend together. Resoak any not open in that for 6-12hrs. Moisten coco with it and plant any that have popped in there. That works for me.

 

[SolarLogos]

Take 1tblsp fresh aloe gel and 2tblsp coconut water and 1L de-chlorinated water and blend together. Resoak any not open in that for 6-12hrs. Moisten coco with it and plant any that have popped in there. That works for me.

Thank you very much Feb2006er, that's what I was wanting to hear. I was going to soak them in Gibberellic Acid and add a drop of vitamin B-1 to the water at transplant. Since I have not done it before, I will give your method a go. Thanks again my friend.
Peace, God bless

 

[SolarLogos]

Thank you very much Feb2006er, that's what I was wanting to hear. I was going to soak them in Gibberellic Acid and add a drop of vitamin B-1 to the water at transplant. Since I have not done it before, I will give your method a go. Thanks again my friend.
Peace, God bless

I went to soak the remaining seeds in aloe, coconut water mix and one more has cracked open, so 3 of them are soaking in the solution. The only thing I worry about is early vitality. Watering with this mix once planted and coming up should help with that?
Peace, God bless

 

[LostTribe]

Can someone who has grown OTH tell me, do they generally germinate pretty slowly? It took mine 3 days for 3 seeds to open. Two of them that opened have barely changed in 48 hours. I'm using the standard method, wet paper towels. pH is 6.8, temps being carefully monitored at 75-76F degrees. Paper towels changed ever other day.
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=79757&pictureid=1932490&thumb=1]View Image[/URL]
The one on the bottom got planted in coco/pearlite mix. Here it is and it's lifting it's head up out of the mix this morning:[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=79757&pictureid=1932492&thumb=1]View Image[/URL]
The other two, have hardly budged in two days. There is some growth to the tap root, but very very slow. The other 4 seeds have not opened at all after 5 days.
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=79757&pictureid=1932491&thumb=1]View Image[/URL]
Sorry about the color, the flash didn't go off, so it's orange kitchen lighting. Any thoughts anyone?
Peace, God bless

Temps were too low for germ also IMHO. 80F get a heating mat and plant them and keep them slightly moist not dripping.

I would not use that soil recipe on your first run. Start out with 80/20 peat and perlite is my suggestion and you can top dress with guanos. Also beware, keep pot size to a minimum as larger pots will cause these to shoot to the roof. Keeping root was small will help keep them shorter somewhat. Be ready to bend over branches also.

Here's the pic of the soil recipe Skunkman gave to the writers.

SamS also cautioned to substitute out the red sawdust as it can cause problems.

LT

 

[SolarLogos]

Temps were too low for germ also IMHO. 80F get a heating mat and plant them and keep them slightly moist not dripping.

I would not use that soil recipe on your first run. Start out with 80/20 peat and perlite is my suggestion and you can top dress with guanos. Also beware, keep pot size to a minimum as larger pots will cause these to shoot to the roof. Keeping root was small will help keep them shorter somewhat. Be ready to bend over branches also.

Here's the pic of the soil recipe Skunkman gave to the writers.
View Image
SamS also cautioned to substitute out the red sawdust as it can cause problems.

LT

Thank you very much LT. I do have them on a seed mat, but I put a folded towel over it, then the saucer on top and took the temps. I will use less towel and try to get them to 80F. My seed mat gets hot, I can get my cobs up to 138F while wrapped in bath towels and sitting on top the mat, so I have to be careful.
I saw the part about red sawdust leaching nitrogen out of the soil. There is not enough time to prepare such a soil for this grow as I would personally want the mix to compost for about 3 or 4 months before I use it. I may take some clones and give that soil recipe a try later as I have all the ingredients. I had to get the hoof and horns at the pet store, but I will still have to steam them, dry and grind them. It would be interesting to try to replicate the Haze Brother's grass. I read they likely finished in greenhouses, so that is up my alley. These will be grown outdoors, no plans to hinder their height.
I have 3 now in a coco/perlite mix. Once I transplant, I will add worm casting fresh from my worm farms. I'm sure I will have many questions for you LT, if that's ok with you. Thanks again,
Peace, God bless

 

[LostTribe]

Thank you very much LT. I do have them on a seed mat, but I put a folded towel over it, then the saucer on top and took the temps. I will use less towel and try to get them to 80F. My seed mat gets hot, I can get my cobs up to 138F while wrapped in bath towels and sitting on top the mat, so I have to be careful.
I saw the part about red sawdust leaching nitrogen out of the soil. There is not enough time to prepare such a soil for this grow as I would personally want the mix to compost for about 3 or 4 months before I use it. I may take some clones and give that soil recipe a try later as I have all the ingredients. I had to get the hoof and horns at the pet store, but I will still have to steam them, dry and grind them. It would be interesting to try to replicate the Haze Brother's grass. I read they likely finished in greenhouses, so that is up my alley. These will be grown outdoors, no plans to hinder their height.
I have 3 now in a coco/perlite mix. Once I transplant, I will add worm casting fresh from my worm farms. I'm sure I will have many questions for you LT, if that's ok with you. Thanks again,
Peace, God bless

Yep keep them up off the mat. Get a cheap jiffy starter pack with the container and a top to keep the humidity up. Just plant them.

I burned a BODub the other day about half way thru the stash and you guys gotta stop because I gotta stop sticking my hand in the jar as I don't have time for a 6 month girl right now!!!! Or do I? I need to pop some of these f2's.

Dubi, if you read this what filial generation was the last release of Purple Old-timers?

LT

 

[SolarLogos]

Update

Update

I posted a pic of #1 poking it's seed out of the ground. Ten hours later, he has spit his shell and opening.
Four are open, 3 in pots and the 4th is finally pushing it's tap root out. Still waiting on the other 3, but no big deal at this point if they don't open, I have more that should be at my doorstep any day now (Thanks again Ace! Love ya all!)


I want to say, this slow germination is all on me and in no way related to Ace. I should have put them in freeze, but I've kept them in my curing cabinet, which is dark and constant 60F, but they really should have been in the freezer or fridge at the very least.
I'm actually very glad this happened, because I learned much today and thank you all for the help. I hope others can learn from my mistakes as well.
Peace, God bless

 

[SolarLogos]

Yep keep them up off the mat. Get a cheap jiffy starter pack with the container and a top to keep the humidity up. Just plant them.

I burned a BODub the other day about half way thru the stash and you guys gotta stop because I gotta stop sticking my hand in the jar as I don't have time for a 6 month girl right now!!!! Or do I? I need to pop some of these f2's.

Dubi, if you read this what filial generation was the last release of Purple Old-timers?

LT

Great advice. I had already planted the two other's that grew out their tap root, so I put clear plastic wrap over them, poked a few holes for air and put them 1" under T8 flouro tubes, 80F at that height. I'll update tomorrow. Thanks again,
Peace, God bless

 

[Feb2006er]

Thank you very much LT. I do have them on a seed mat, but I put a folded towel over it, then the saucer on top and took the temps. I will use less towel and try to get them to 80F. My seed mat gets hot, I can get my cobs up to 138F while wrapped in bath towels and sitting on top the mat, so I have to be careful.
I saw the part about red sawdust leaching nitrogen out of the soil. There is not enough time to prepare such a soil for this grow as I would personally want the mix to compost for about 3 or 4 months before I use it. I may take some clones and give that soil recipe a try later as I have all the ingredients. I had to get the hoof and horns at the pet store, but I will still have to steam them, dry and grind them. It would be interesting to try to replicate the Haze Brother's grass. I read they likely finished in greenhouses, so that is up my alley. These will be grown outdoors, no plans to hinder their height.
I have 3 now in a coco/perlite mix. Once I transplant, I will add worm casting fresh from my worm farms. I'm sure I will have many questions for you LT, if that's ok with you. Thanks again,
Peace, God bless

I’ll save you time and hassle. Don’t run that soil mix as it’s very problematic. Redwood sawdust is anti microbial and anti fungal. The hoof and horn is as bad as crab meal for hosting pathogens, and it takes more than a year to break down with proper soil biodiversity. I tried this soil mix many years ago in humboldt and it was unimpressive. Try that mix I posted and let me know what you think.

 

[SolarLogos]

I’ll save you time and hassle. Don’t run that soil mix as it’s very problematic. Redwood sawdust is anti microbial and anti fungal. The hoof and horn is as bad as crab meal for hosting pathogens, and it takes more than a year to break down with proper soil biodiversity. I tried this soil mix many years ago in humboldt and it was unimpressive. Try that mix I posted and let me know what you think.

Well, then thanks for saving me the trouble! I'm still bewildered about the pH from the Haze Bros soil mix. Does this soil mix of yours need to be wintered over or composted before use?
I have most of the ingredients and can easily get the rest. What is the pH of this mix, if you know and what pH did you find best when watering?

Peace, God bless