Oldtimer's Haze

[LowFalutin]

thanks for your comments dubi.
regarding my compact fast-finishing purple OT haze:
you've mentioned before that there are compact fast-finishing green OTH phenos, here from post 1498...

"There's a more compact and faster flowering Green Haze pheno, it usually has thicker stems, and it can be done
in 14-16 weeks of flowering, depending on the growing conditions, in contrast with the taller, longer flowering phenos
that need 16-20+ weeks to mature properly .... cold outdoor weather in late flowering helps to avoid reflowerings
and to speed up the maturation process."

and when my compact girl turned purple you added (post 1514)...
"Lovely Purple Haze Hope you are not dissapointed to find a purple one in your pack of Green Haze.
Green Haze release certainly produces mostly green phenos, but since this release has been produced by open
pollinating many different Green Haze parental plants there's always a chance that an unexpected recessive
purple pheno come out."

i'm guessing that i've got the compact green pheno, but with a recessive purple coloration/aroma/thin stem and leaf orientation?
as i've mentioned before, her effect is much more green-leaning (e.g., euphoric, "extrospective"), and the effect
was delivered with hybrid-level strength. she also has noticeably larger trichome heads than the others'.

as well as being more compact in structure, her buds also tended that way as well, with less fox-tailing...

pure green OTH, top. compact POTH pheno bud, bottom.

when using her to make s1/S1 seeds, do you have a guess what percentage of off-spring will have her specific nature (i.e., compact fast-finishing POTH)?
i wonder if we'd see a percentage of just the green compact phenos in those off-spring too.
do you have any general advice for getting a unique pheno's characteristics to carry over in crosses you make with her?
i was looking forward to making crosses, but maybe i should flower out some of her s1/S1 off-spring first to get to know how she performs...
maybe do a selection from them?...

here's the fast compact POTH in reveg, beginning to turn on true leaves...


as well as the longer-flowering, likes to grow large, green OTH...


saludos!

 

[LostTribe]

thanks for your comments dubi.
regarding my compact fast-finishing purple OT haze:
you've mentioned before that there are compact fast-finishing green OTH phenos, here from post 1498...

"There's a more compact and faster flowering Green Haze pheno, it usually has thicker stems, and it can be done
in 14-16 weeks of flowering, depending on the growing conditions, in contrast with the taller, longer flowering phenos
that need 16-20+ weeks to mature properly .... cold outdoor weather in late flowering helps to avoid reflowerings
and to speed up the maturation process."

and when my compact girl turned purple you added (post 1514)...
"Lovely Purple Haze Hope you are not dissapointed to find a purple one in your pack of Green Haze.
Green Haze release certainly produces mostly green phenos, but since this release has been produced by open
pollinating many different Green Haze parental plants there's always a chance that an unexpected recessive
purple pheno come out."

i'm guessing that i've got the compact green pheno, but with a recessive purple coloration/aroma/thin stem and leaf orientation?
as i've mentioned before, her effect is much more green-leaning (e.g., euphoric, "extrospective"), and the effect
was delivered with hybrid-level strength. she also has noticeably larger trichome heads than the others'.

as well as being more compact in structure, her buds also tended that way as well, with less fox-tailing...
View Image
pure green OTH, top. compact POTH pheno bud, bottom.

when using her to make s1/S1 seeds, do you have a guess what percentage of off-spring will have her specific nature (i.e., compact fast-finishing POTH)?
i wonder if we'd see a percentage of just the green compact phenos in those off-spring too.
do you have any general advice for getting a unique pheno's characteristics to carry over in crosses you make with her?
i was looking forward to making crosses, but maybe i should flower out some of her s1/S1 off-spring first to get to know how she performs...
maybe do a selection from them?...

here's the fast compact POTH in reveg, beginning to turn on true leaves...
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=49930&pictureid=1915509&thumb=1]View Image[/url]

as well as the longer-flowering, likes to grow large, green OTH...
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=49930&pictureid=1915508&thumb=1]View Image[/url]

saludos!

appears much more dense than my OTPH. How long did she go? I went 144 days and she could have gone another 2 weeks. Pure cedar incense black liquor and full head high. Have the GH in the vault.

133 days 11/13's. 11 days from cut. Went 20 weeks.

Fire Head.

 

[Burro Johnson]

it says on phylos oldtimers haze is very unique and is a pure landrace related closely to
panama and colombian sativas, is it still believed that this is a hybrid comprised multiple genetics or does new info indicate that this line is indeed a pure south american landrace?

 

[willydread]

it says on phylos oldtimers haze is very unique and is a pure landrace related closely to
panama and colombian sativas, is it still believed that this is a hybrid comprised multiple genetics or does new info indicate that this line is indeed a pure south american landrace?

I rest of the idea that ot1haze (as original haze) is colombian / thai, probably with prevalence of colombian genes, but the presence of thai is undeniable (and who knows what other genetics have ended up in the mix ....)

 

[willydread]

Ps: Part of the Colombian strains originate from the Southeast Asian varieties

 

[Burro Johnson]

Ps: Part of the Colombian strains originate from the Southeast Asian varieties

i kind of get that feeling too, reading about mango and incense flavors in both some columbians and some thai.

would you be under the impression african strains are related to thai aswell?

 

[Burro Johnson]

also since we are on the subject, what traits would differentiate thai and colombian in terms of flavor and effect?

 

[willydread]

I think the African varieties come from the Indian hemp and indian sativa (nld) brought first by the Arabs and then by the Portuguese, but they could also have Thai blood, after all the Arab merchants arrived in the Philippines ...
However, in the 1920s the USA imported strains from Southeast Asia to pharmaceutical use in Colombia, and decades later imported seeds from Thailand and Lebanon ... and then from Afghanistan and Pakistan...

 

[dubi]

Hi LowFalutin,

Interesting questions you made!

Since Oldtimer's Haze is extremely inbred i decided to open pollinate the line in its latest reproduction using a wide variety of females and males from all the different phenos, in order to preserve the maximum possible genetic diversity and to allow more recombinations. Green Haze release was also an open pollination of many different Green Haze parental plants, but there's always a rare possibility of finding a recessive purple pheno like you found. On the other hand, i breed our Oldtimer's Haze hybrids with our best selected pure Haze parental plants of each pheno (Green Haze 19 and Purple Haze 23) and they truely carry their best traits in hybrids (colors too). Through outcrossing with other strains, hybrid vigor is restored and strength enhanced.

Based on my experience with the line, the rare earlier flowering Oldtimer's Haze pheno was mainly found in the Green Haze pheno i explained in the quote you did from me. Purple Hazes are in average taller and slightly longer flowering than most Green Hazes, although there are also tall Green Haze phenos that take a long flowering time as long as the longer flowering Purple Hazes. Due to recombination in latest open pollinated reproduction of the strain, there are more chances to find new expressions not often found previously, like an earlier flowering Purple Haze pheno. But as you know, Oldtimer's Haze flowering time depends a lot on growing conditions and sexual maturity of the plants being flowered, so you may need to flower the same parental plants a few times in different growing conditions to really realize the real behaviour of your Haze plants in flowering.

Oldtimer's Haze is already heavily inbred so i would not recommend you to breed your selected Oldtimer's Haze parental plants by selfing (S1), because this is the most extreme kind of inbreeding you can do in breeding, and the offspring would be even more heavily inbred, therefore losing vigor, yield and stregth. So i would mainly recommend you to outcross your favorite Oldtimer's Haze parental plants (whether they are green or purple) to achieve best results in future generations. The decision of what other genetics would be interesting to introduce to Oldtimer's Haze depends greatly on grower/breeder breeding goals. Hope it helps!

 

[dubi]

The Phylos analyses performed to our Oldtimer's Haze parental plants pointed out that this sativa is indeed heavily inbred, therefore very stable and homozygous. So as far as we know through scientific evidence, seems Oldtimer's Haze is mainly related to other old colombian sativas. Panamanian sativas have colombian origin, that's why Oldtimer's Haze may also show certain genetic relationship with old pure sativa Panama lines.

Oldtimer's Haze could be a hybrid of different green and purple old colombian sativas, or it could be just one Colombian sativa line that produces 2 phenos regarding colors. We will never know for sure its exact genetic content, but doesn't seem obvious that Oldtimer's Haze is related to mexicans, south indians or Thais. Maybe more analyses done in the future to other landraces of legit origin will shed more light about it.
Time will tell. Would love to see a Phylos genetic analysis of a pure Haze provided by Sam Skunkman to compare.

it says on phylos oldtimers haze is very unique and is a pure landrace related closely to
panama and colombian sativas, is it still believed that this is a hybrid comprised multiple genetics or does new info indicate that this line is indeed a pure south american landrace?

I rest of the idea that ot1haze (as original haze) is colombian / thai, probably with prevalence of colombian genes, but the presence of thai is undeniable (and who knows what other genetics have ended up in the mix ....)

 

[bigherb]

The Phylos analyses performed to our Oldtimer's Haze parental plants pointed out that this sativa is indeed heavily inbred, therefore very stable and homozygous. So as far as we know through scientific evidence, seems Oldtimer's Haze is mainly related to other old colombian sativas. Panamanian sativas have colombian origin, that's why Oldtimer's Haze may also show certain genetic relationship with old pure sativa Panama lines.

Oldtimer's Haze could be a hybrid of different green and purple old colombian sativas, or it could be just one Colombian sativa line that produces 2 phenos regarding colors. We will never know for sure its exact genetic content, but doesn't seem obvious that Oldtimer's Haze is related to mexicans, south indians or Thais. Maybe more analyses done in the future to other landraces of legit origin will shed more light about it.
Time will tell. Would love to see a Phylos genetic analysis of a pure Haze provided by Sam Skunkman to compare.

Sup brother

Thanks for sharing

What this reveals to me is what has been my opinion threw post and reports on the net . I’ve just had this convo and just posted this below in another thread

Also if you have followed the information about Santa Cruz Haze both Punto Rojo and old timers Haze share growing traits bud flower leaf patterns taste and aromas aswell as effects all Soo soo very similar

Just my opinion

1luvbigherb

 

[Burro Johnson]

The Phylos analyses performed to our Oldtimer's Haze parental plants pointed out that this sativa is indeed heavily inbred, therefore very stable and homozygous. So as far as we know through scientific evidence, seems Oldtimer's Haze is mainly related to other old colombian sativas. Panamanian sativas have colombian origin, that's why Oldtimer's Haze may also show certain genetic relationship with old pure sativa Panama lines.

Oldtimer's Haze could be a hybrid of different green and purple old colombian sativas, or it could be just one Colombian sativa line that produces 2 phenos regarding colors. We will never know for sure its exact genetic content, but doesn't seem obvious that Oldtimer's Haze is related to mexicans, south indians or Thais. Maybe more analyses done in the future to other landraces of legit origin will shed more light about it.
Time will tell. Would love to see a Phylos genetic analysis of a pure Haze provided by Sam Skunkman to compare.

awesome response

 

[willydread]

@dubi:
You know this strain better than me, and you've certainly seen many more plants than me, do you really see no Thai influence?
it is not a criticism or a diss, we are here to exchange opinions and above all (I for first) learn...

 

[nldfarmer]

The Phylos analyses performed to our Oldtimer's Haze parental plants pointed out that this sativa is indeed heavily inbred, therefore very stable and homozygous. So as far as we know through scientific evidence, seems Oldtimer's Haze is mainly related to other old colombian sativas. Panamanian sativas have colombian origin, that's why Oldtimer's Haze may also show certain genetic relationship with old pure sativa Panama lines.

Oldtimer's Haze could be a hybrid of different green and purple old colombian sativas, or it could be just one Colombian sativa line that produces 2 phenos regarding colors. We will never know for sure its exact genetic content, but doesn't seem obvious that Oldtimer's Haze is related to mexicans, south indians or Thais. Maybe more analyses done in the future to other landraces of legit origin will shed more light about it.
Time will tell. Would love to see a Phylos genetic analysis of a pure Haze provided by Sam Skunkman to compare.

this answers a lot of questions I had. I was very confused because throughout the years I've found Haze to be the best medically for my issues but no consistency between what the different dispensaries name as Haze.

Separately I've found a Columbian line that gives similar relief with zero Haze influence.

Now I'm curious, if Haze is mainly Columbian, would it be worth going through Columbian stock to find the longer flowering phenos? Were there Punto rojo/hazey phenos in the original Panama release? I guess an alternative way to ask is does anyone else have evidence of the
Thai/Indian/Mexican influence?

Mostly trying to decide which way to go to make my own Haze, any opinions are welcome.

 

[Illuminate]

Do the red/purple ot1's have red sap?

 

[gunsofbrixton]

I am an old-time grower in mendocino, and i have been working to preserve old-school genetics for many years now, mostly sativas. I grew an old timer last season that i procured from another old-school dude in humboldt. The questions i have is regarding phenos. Are you familiar with any shorter perhaps indica dominant phenos of old-timer? The one i had stayed green and was shorter and finished in late sept/early oct.
thank you in advance

 

[Illuminate]

Was it from the hhf release?

 

[Koondense]

I would expect the pure OTH to start flowering in late sept/oct, not to finish before late december/january at 40N.
Probably the seed you got was a hybrid of some sort, it would be hard to believe there's a fast pheno in OTH.
Got any pics?



Cheers

 

[gunsofbrixton]

I would expect the pure OTH to start flowering in late sept/oct, not to finish before late december/january at 40N.
Probably the seed you got was a hybrid of some sort, it would be hard to believe there's a fast pheno in OTH.
Got any pics?



Cheers

i dont have any pics, yeah probably a hybrid

 

[sinaloa]

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hola dubi

muy bonita pinta de estas old su nombre lo dice
tiene paresido alas primeras motas asemilladas que se trabajaron en mexico


muy bonitos las manos largas y dedos finos,




saludos

sinaloa