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Okay let's talk abt Psychics.

floralheart

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So I must wonder what is a lower plane of existence.

Lower realities, levels of existence...

The world your average american or european accepts as material and real.

The 3rd dimensional reality, of... what I can see and what I can touch is, what is... and that is all there is. Someone dialed into that frequency and mindset.

Things tied to the physical are a lower plane of existence.

Your day to day life is a lower plane of existence.

Dialing meditatively into intuition and high thought is a higher plane of existence.

Astral travel is a higher plane of existence.

Dimensional travel is a higher plane of existence.

In a nutshell, abstract thought, free thought, reasoning and logic.

Most people aren't capable of distinguishing their own thoughts, from those that are not their own.
 
David Icke traveled back in time to when he made less money as a sports announcer and sent LUCA on the back of a black pteradactyl to land @ the LZ / Meteor shot a couple light years through a calculated trajectory and the planet was inoculated by lizard people that like to bank.
 

Weird

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I know that there are those who have capacities I do not posses and that there are phenomenon that I don't understand however I don't think of it as super natural, just unknown to us at this time or beyond the boundaries of my human vessel.

Occult and "supernatural" are still subject to the laws of human nature and simply extol a "extra" advantage when dealing with human nature (under the pretense that they hold deeper understandings)

As far as duality (polarity) and the (in)ability for our mind to see the complete universe.

Partially correct.

We can understand and work within the constraints of our human vessel but it is easily to be biased by it.

For example just because we can conceptualize and use the concept within the constraints of math/science, we cannot experience infinity, either in a whole numbers or within the constraint of decimals.

It is a facet of the universe we can work within but can not actualize on a personal level.

Keeping it's meaning relative to our ability to use and understand it is where the difficulty lie.

I purposely do not partake of occult practices because I think they are an extension for our desire to have power and control, desires which tend to manifest into more negative connotations.

I have no desire for dominion or control of others, I simply enjoy humanity and life accordingly.

My beliefs and perception insulate me from the effects of practices such as those., making most magiks weak and ineffectual, but I do notice the people and their practices.

As far as the spiritual realms, the ten are the ones I am concerned with, nothing more, nothing less. All the constants of the universe cannot bias our capacity to embrace anyone, this is the place of our dominion though many people never seem to realize this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_spiritual_realms

They correlate with our potential, most people never leave the lower realms.
 
Keeping it's meaning relative to our ability to use and understand it is where the difficulty lie.

Thanks for the reminders. I sure needed them. Was having those half asleep half awake nightmares. The only thing keeping me safe/ sane or w-e was some proactive chakra visualizations. I better work on some ground state calibration.

Nacc.
 

trichrider

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Oneiromancy (from the Greek όνειροϛ oneiros, dream, and μαντηια manteia, prophecy) is a form of divination based upon dreams; it is a system of dream interpretation that uses dreams to predict the future. The Swiss psychotherapist and psychiatrist who developed the field of analytical psychology, Carl Gustav Jung, focused this idea and formed theories, experiments, and terminology around oneiromancy.

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http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aes/t/the_dream_book.aspx
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http://www.rhine.org/who-we-are/about-us.html
 

floralheart

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I purposely do not partake of occult practices because I think they are an extension for our desire to have power and control, desires which tend to manifest into more negative connotations.

Sometimes you go looking for evil, and sometimes evil finds you...

people shouldn't be so quick to dabble in the devil's dishwater, cause they might not come out clean

psychic is easy. figuring out that damn cosmic lottery code is the real trick.
 

Genghis Kush

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Sometimes you go looking for evil, and sometimes evil finds you...

people shouldn't be so quick to dabble in the devil's dishwater, cause they might not come out clean

psychic is easy. figuring out that damn cosmic lottery code is the real trick.

"There ain't no wrong, ain't no right.
There's only pleasure and pain!" ---Janes Addiction


the devil and evil are concepts, based on fairy tales.
they only exist in your mind.
 

CannaBrix

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"There ain't no wrong, ain't no right.
There's only pleasure and pain!" ---Janes Addiction


the devil and evil are concepts, based on fairy tales.
they only exist in your mind.

Where does the issue lie on say the subject of heavy opium addiction? Is that pleasure or pain?

How about a person lying on a hospital bed, asking for physician assisted suicide? Is that pleasure or pain?
 

Weird

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Sometimes you go looking for evil, and sometimes evil finds you...

people shouldn't be so quick to dabble in the devil's dishwater, cause they might not come out clean

psychic is easy
. figuring out that damn cosmic lottery code is the real trick.

There is empathy, reading people, fight or flight premonitions and other "seemingly" psychic abilities that simply are not.

Then there are deeper practices and expressions of psychic ability.

I do not completely doubt phenomenon I do not understand, but I don't believe the open ended and far out mechanisms some people suggest including Rupert Sheldrake.

Not that I don't believe him to be right about many things, I just think his morphic resonance happens on a quantum scale via DNA, not through an external, unidentified energy but through an internal (DNA) one.

Science is unraveling this as we speak.

That being said, our human experience is defined by where we drive that interest, and the desire for power and control is a sigh of a corrupt individual. Some do it genuinely to help others.

This all stands outside of efficiency of efforts because one man's delusion can serve as another man's reality.

Needing to know is weak, and undermines the process of faith, not the object, but the process.

If you cannot have confidence facing the unknown in this world you will live a very cloistered life.
 

Weird

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"There ain't no wrong, ain't no right.
There's only pleasure and pain!" ---Janes Addiction


the devil and evil are concepts, based on fairy tales.
they only exist in your mind
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we are wired for morality as we are wired to believe.

They are part of the evolutionary process, one which science is working on right now, trying to discover more. A paper was recently put out high lighting the evolution of morality in monkeys.

The devil & evil can best be attributed to our reptile core, the part of our brain that is the same as the animals around us.

When someone lets raw emotion take over and they lose control and kill someone, that is "the devil" at work.

Our frontal cortex would be the mind of God, where our consciousness lie.

People do have the potential to control former with the later, a practice that is nurtured by certain philosophies.

You must, and because it comes at some lever of ease (I will assume) that you feel everyone has the same capacity for control.

Unfortunately it does not work that way.

Much of the use of the brain relies on catalysts, but internal and external, to develop these skills, and further more they can be denigrated by a dysfunctional biology.

PTSD is an example of where the body fires off chemicals causing a reaction that is not by choice but very real and very powerful.

The war for good and evil is fought in our heads, individually, at all times.

Some people have it easier than others.

Some have control and choose outright, others not so much.
 

Genghis Kush

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Where does the issue lie on say the subject of heavy opium addiction? Is that pleasure or pain?

How about a person lying on a hospital bed, asking for physician assisted suicide? Is that pleasure or pain?

you would have to ask the person having the experience.



we seek pleasure and avoid pain
 

CannaBrix

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I do not believe in a static morality, or that morality comes from the external. Although I do believe in the concept of morality and do not deny it, to have it replaced with pleasure and pain.

The path of pain and pleasure preferred over right and wrong is a dangerous path in which the subtleties of life are ignored. In which seeking pleasure, and avoiding pain can devoid any regard to natural existence.

We DO have the capacity to realize pain and pleasure is not the end all be all. Our perception can perceive more than this.

Destroying an ecosystem is not in the realm of pleasure nor pain. Our pleasure to build a city and replace a forest does not pain any being in particular. It destroys our tightly entwined life system.

One could argue, see the people and animals living in the decaying earth will suffer, this is PAIN!

Yet, this is not the case. There are many forms of life which do not perceive pleasure nor pain. I believe they must be included in a philosophy of existence.

You are looking at the issue in one moment in time, and in the next moment, maybe there is no human to perceive either pain nor pleasure.

And that is wrong.
 

trichrider

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morality would be the exercise of pain for pleasure which imo was what weird was alluding to (abstaining sin for souls' happiness if you will).

fight or flight is not any moral issue, unless you find morality in existence of self.

...it also seems strange to acknowledge 'God' and limit that concept to any certain part of the human brain designated 'thought' or 'mind' when obviously 'God' enfolds all reality.

weird also points out the conflict between good and evil is within our minds, reflecting the dichotomy of soul and body.

seeking pleasure is not immoral, nor is seeking pain.

the 'Logos' began distinction between anima mundi and intellect. when we began to communicate through language we began to see/describe pain as evil and pleasure as good. language coded that ideation into habit, habit into gospel, gospel into truth.

the salient fact here is that 'seers' or 'psychics' have been utilized by monarchs and despots alike for millennia. some of the most affluent and powerful have attained their capacity through seers. it's unlikely that those kings and emperors would be ignorant enough to be fooled by an imposter, so they had a modicum of certainty in their values and abilities.

:joint:
 

Genghis Kush

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the experience of pleasure and pain are intrinsic to our existence. morality is contrived.

this does not deny the validity of morality but points to morality being culturally bound.
concepts of the devil and evil are archaic explanations for what are essentially malformations in the wiring of the physical brain and natural disasters.

"Yet, this is not the case. There are many forms of life which do not perceive pleasure nor pain. I believe they must be included in a philosophy of existence.

You are looking at the issue in one moment in time, and in the next moment, maybe there is no human to perceive either pain nor pleasure.

And that is wrong"


not sure I understand you
 

CannaBrix

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Genghis-

What I mean is that a moral philosophy is important. And at this point as much as we can understand morality is contrived, and culturally bound, we can understand its importance in a society.

I agree evil and the devil are archaic explanations of 'bad'.
 

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