Genghis Kush
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Certainty is not possible, hence the anxiety.
If you know a third option, I would be grateful to hear it...
If you know a third option, I would be grateful to hear it...
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change is certain.
sometimes anxiety is replaced with joy, contentment, happiness, awareness, love...
change may be the instigator of all emotion.
some people effect change, some are affected by it. life would indeed be a trial were it absent.
...but, can some people recognize and manipulate how and or what changes before it occurs?
precognition, unlimited potentials, absolutely not mutually exclusive.
sometimes anxiety is replaced with joy, contentment, happiness, awareness, love...
change may be the instigator of all emotion.
some people effect change, some are affected by it. life would indeed be a trial were it absent.
...but, can some people recognize and manipulate how and or what changes before it occurs?
precognition, unlimited potentials, absolutely not mutually exclusive.
Genghis Kush
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yes, change is the only constant.
Can we manipulate change or is it predetermined?
if we can manipulate change than we may have unlimited potential.
if everything is predetermined than precognition may be possible.
Can we manipulate change or is it predetermined?
if we can manipulate change than we may have unlimited potential.
if everything is predetermined than precognition may be possible.
"One must either take a leap of faith and believe in a fairy tale or accept the nausea of living a godless, meaningless, purposeless existence that will one day end in infinite oblivion."
First the fairy tale scenario. This I am taking as believers of religion. But not all religion is westernized and fairy tale. Look at taoism where the central theme of the religion is not the gods but the way of thinking.
I would say this is a third option. To believe in a "way". My argument here is probably weak enough for you to call this option a fairy tale.
Meaningless - This must be defined before I can argue it. Many third options arise here without a definition.
Purposeless - Again see above.
Infinite oblivion - Ending in oblivion, this is a leap from you. How are you so certain everything ends in oblivion, barring the 'fairy tales'. Because we cannot perceive consciousness from other animals, plants, and even *gasp* insects or bacteria, does not mean that they do not have a conscious. That these other beings are not "aware" [please define that one as well
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As it very well may be, energy in it self may be conscious. If this is so, there is another possibility.
The possibility that we live a godless, meaningless, purposeless existence ending in infinite consciousness.
First the fairy tale scenario. This I am taking as believers of religion. But not all religion is westernized and fairy tale. Look at taoism where the central theme of the religion is not the gods but the way of thinking.
I would say this is a third option. To believe in a "way". My argument here is probably weak enough for you to call this option a fairy tale.
Meaningless - This must be defined before I can argue it. Many third options arise here without a definition.
Purposeless - Again see above.
Infinite oblivion - Ending in oblivion, this is a leap from you. How are you so certain everything ends in oblivion, barring the 'fairy tales'. Because we cannot perceive consciousness from other animals, plants, and even *gasp* insects or bacteria, does not mean that they do not have a conscious. That these other beings are not "aware" [please define that one as well
]As it very well may be, energy in it self may be conscious. If this is so, there is another possibility.
The possibility that we live a godless, meaningless, purposeless existence ending in infinite consciousness.
Genghis Kush
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mean·ing·less
/ˈmēniNGləs/
adjective
adjective: meaningless
having no meaning or significance.
"the paragraph was a jumble of meaningless words"
synonyms: unintelligible, incomprehensible, incoherent
"a jumble of meaningless words"
•having no purpose or reason.
"the Great War was an outstanding example of meaningless conflict"
synonyms: futile, pointless, aimless, empty, hollow, blank, vain, purposeless, valueless, useless, of no use, worthless, senseless, trivial, trifling, unimportant, insignificant, inconsequential
"she felt her life was meaningless"
pur·pose·less
/ˈpərpəslis/
adjective
adjective: purposeless
done or made with no discernible point or purpose.
"purposeless vandalism"
•having no aim or plan.
"his purposeless life"
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unfortunately, your third possibility is another fairy tale.
/ˈmēniNGləs/
adjective
adjective: meaningless
having no meaning or significance.
"the paragraph was a jumble of meaningless words"
synonyms: unintelligible, incomprehensible, incoherent
"a jumble of meaningless words"
•having no purpose or reason.
"the Great War was an outstanding example of meaningless conflict"
synonyms: futile, pointless, aimless, empty, hollow, blank, vain, purposeless, valueless, useless, of no use, worthless, senseless, trivial, trifling, unimportant, insignificant, inconsequential
"she felt her life was meaningless"
pur·pose·less
/ˈpərpəslis/
adjective
adjective: purposeless
done or made with no discernible point or purpose.
"purposeless vandalism"
•having no aim or plan.
"his purposeless life"
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unfortunately, your third possibility is another fairy tale.
Genghis Kush
Active member
I leap of faith is required to Believe in infinite anything
What you are saying is that life or existence is meaningless and purposeless without religion.
There can be many meanings to existence, and because that meaning may not be immediately available to your perceptions, does not justify the fact that either the meaning of life is in the fairy tale you believe, or that there is no meaning of life.
Same for purpose:
The purpose of life can simply be to reproduce. This itself negates your either/or. Without a fairy tale we still have the purpose of reproduction.
Simple, but effective enough to show the reality of infinite alternatives to your two possiblities.
There can be many meanings to existence, and because that meaning may not be immediately available to your perceptions, does not justify the fact that either the meaning of life is in the fairy tale you believe, or that there is no meaning of life.
Same for purpose:
The purpose of life can simply be to reproduce. This itself negates your either/or. Without a fairy tale we still have the purpose of reproduction.
Simple, but effective enough to show the reality of infinite alternatives to your two possiblities.
Genghis Kush
Active member
what I am saying is that there is no way to Know what the purpose or meaning of existence is, or if there is any at all.
And anything you think of will be derived from your mind.
There is a chasm of unknowing, that must be leapt over, in order to have faith in our ideas.
And anything you think of will be derived from your mind.
There is a chasm of unknowing, that must be leapt over, in order to have faith in our ideas.
Mark Twain — 'The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.'
I have to disagree. The Great War began within weeks of the Federal Reserve Act being signed into being in America.
It was partly an economic warfare strategy by Romans and Jews masquerading as nationalists to economically bind, debt and enslave all free beings residing within the borders of North America, and elsewhere.
It was part of a larger overall real estate deal to take control of the cross-roads of the world, Israel, and continue the Crusades against the middle east, the only people to truly resist the Roman Empire in the past 1,000 years - Turkish Muslims (17th century).
The civil war did not end slavery, it reorganized slavery and reclassified the slaves. The civil war was ultimately about binding individuals via Federalism. It introduced the first Federal Tax. Something being slowly and insidiously worked on since 1812.
Federal Tax - 1909
Federal Tax Ratified - February 3, 1913
Federal Reserve Act - December 23, 1913
World War I, begins spring of 1914
It's probably the most purposeful conflict in the past 150 years. Excluding WWII and 9/11.
They, hereditary Roman and Jew crime families set the stage for debt, and executed the war with the assistance of their pawn, the United Kingdom, the British and the Bank of London.
Lots of people don't want anyone thinking about this. Or what comes next.
Sempre Eadem
I psychic-ly see... this all happening again.
Genghis Kush
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ahem, "we" do not discuss anything remotely nonwestern in a tavistock thread. if you want to get referencey on anything fringelike, please limit yourself to 19th century westerners like blavatsky.
floralheart - and then we have ataturk, the freemason.
It is a good thing my conscious does not relate to a "we", and that my conscious ramblings do not equate to a discussion. Tap into my subconscious and I will glady excuse myself from this thread
"We believe in a Universal Divine Principle, the root of ALL, from which all proceeds, and within which all shall be absorbed at the end of the great cycle of Being."
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/key/key-5.htm
Another alternative for you genghis.
This is Blavatsky for you Waveguide.
Floralheart-
"The Great War " did not begin for the USA until 1917, 4 years after the signing of the federal reserve act
America was staying neutral as late as 1916, doing pretty well through exports to Europe.
The main catalyst to U.S. involvement was the interception of the 'Zimmerman telegram ' sent from Germany to Mexico offering them the return of territory lost to the U.S. If they joined the war on their side.
"The Great War " did not begin for the USA until 1917, 4 years after the signing of the federal reserve act
America was staying neutral as late as 1916, doing pretty well through exports to Europe.
The main catalyst to U.S. involvement was the interception of the 'Zimmerman telegram ' sent from Germany to Mexico offering them the return of territory lost to the U.S. If they joined the war on their side.
Genghis Kush
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cannabrix
There is no third option.
Either we take a leap of faith or we don't.
There is no in between.
Either you believe or you don't believe, and belief takes faith.
And faith is a leap over our inability to Know.
"...anything you think of will be derived from your mind.
There is a chasm of unknowing, that must be leapt over, in order to have faith in our ideas. "
There is no third option.
Either we take a leap of faith or we don't.
There is no in between.
Either you believe or you don't believe, and belief takes faith.
And faith is a leap over our inability to Know.
"...anything you think of will be derived from your mind.
There is a chasm of unknowing, that must be leapt over, in order to have faith in our ideas. "
Genghis Kush
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but, anyway... that path is abysmal.
lets move on.
Blavatsky
I've been to Tashilhunpo monastery. mind blowing place!
The Tibetan monks are on to something.
Clairvoyance is real
lets move on.
Blavatsky
I've been to Tashilhunpo monastery. mind blowing place!
The Tibetan monks are on to something.
Clairvoyance is real
Most people are too afraid to live in faith, they rather delude themselves.
The monks see our nature because they understand it succinctly.
Minds that think in two dimensions and minds trapped by their own polarity will never understand the dimensions that lay beyond, the ether in which all these things discussed, exist.
The monks see our nature because they understand it succinctly.
Minds that think in two dimensions and minds trapped by their own polarity will never understand the dimensions that lay beyond, the ether in which all these things discussed, exist.
