215forLife
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Anyone interested in breeding azadacitracin, spinosad, and pyrtherum resistant mites and unleashing them in Oakland?
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Oakland Pot-Growing Plan Worries Small Bud Tenders
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THE PABLOS
....it is a $ grab....the formula is a proven winner.....the angles are there...backed by the idealistic pot heads thinking they are on the cutting edge of something original and special.
America: Give me instant gratification....give me convenience or give me death....I'll gladly pay and pay and pay.
Has anyone forgot about how they lied to you? Is that ok with you? Do you really think you are supporting a good thing when you support the take over and regulation of the Marijuana plant by putting it into the hands that lied to you about that same plant...your whole life? Is that just peachy with you? Do you really think your life will be safer in the big picture? Is that really what this is about....your safety?
I was thinking though.....beyond this hoopla with the Medical take overs (don't even lie to yourselves...that is what it is).....if weed were legalized....will they still use these ungreen factory warehouses? I would think not. It would be unsound if they did.
I'd venture to say...that a good portion of the pot population has lost its balls.....or gotten too washed in the media to pull their heads out of their asses.....and yet another portion is young/naive in their idealism...seeing job opportunities and smoke outs on the horizon. Then there is the population that sees the $ signs....and yet another that says.....Are you fucking kidding me?
How does anyone get excited about commercial mass production....unless you are one of those profiting? How are you profiting by taking down the open market and monopolizing it into the hands of a select few? Next it will get subsidized and mono cropped. The whole thing stinks of unoriginal and systematic destruction of your free will....and freedom of choice. Go stand in line then....have your rewards card ready at check out. If you know all this...and agree that this is the direction to take.....I implore upon you....to reconsider your position.
America: Give me instant gratification....give me convenience or give me death....I'll gladly pay and pay and pay.
Has anyone forgot about how they lied to you? Is that ok with you? Do you really think you are supporting a good thing when you support the take over and regulation of the Marijuana plant by putting it into the hands that lied to you about that same plant...your whole life? Is that just peachy with you? Do you really think your life will be safer in the big picture? Is that really what this is about....your safety?
I was thinking though.....beyond this hoopla with the Medical take overs (don't even lie to yourselves...that is what it is).....if weed were legalized....will they still use these ungreen factory warehouses? I would think not. It would be unsound if they did.
I'd venture to say...that a good portion of the pot population has lost its balls.....or gotten too washed in the media to pull their heads out of their asses.....and yet another portion is young/naive in their idealism...seeing job opportunities and smoke outs on the horizon. Then there is the population that sees the $ signs....and yet another that says.....Are you fucking kidding me?
How does anyone get excited about commercial mass production....unless you are one of those profiting? How are you profiting by taking down the open market and monopolizing it into the hands of a select few? Next it will get subsidized and mono cropped. The whole thing stinks of unoriginal and systematic destruction of your free will....and freedom of choice. Go stand in line then....have your rewards card ready at check out. If you know all this...and agree that this is the direction to take.....I implore upon you....to reconsider your position.
MMJ seems to be evolving into a highly legal and highly regulated system
highly legal because DEA is getting out(for the moment)
medical markets are a highly regulated market in this country, been that way for a while
not many mom and pop players in the other major medical markets, why should MMJ end up being different?
in my opinion, MMJ was a huge success in demonstrating large scale use of MJ was not the end of the world
but the time may be coming where it is outliving its usefulness, at least in some states
keep the existing system, and i think you are guaranteed a big corporate environment, current events seem to support this
MMJ dispensaries are like pharmacies, recreational shops could be like liquor stores, a lot more room for smaller players
btw, the Oakland city counsel approved the go ahead for the warehouses last night....
thanks Oakland, really appreciate it! Oregon is sounding better and better........
thanks Oakland, really appreciate it! Oregon is sounding better and better........
reality checker
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Oakland city council passed the ordinance 5-2 last night. Now, if prop. 19 passes, and cities and counties are able to regulate growing for cannabis outlets, why allow it in their city/county, when oakland can provide it to the entire state?
Corporate cannabis is here....oakland is gonna take over....
Corporate cannabis is here....oakland is gonna take over....
Tommy Trichome
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Actually when I sit and do the math it's a bit less. But lets just say I do 5 lbs every 3 mos.. so I get 1.6 lbs/mo. not 1.
rent = $1500/mo
PG&E = $1400/mo
that sounds pretty close to other good growers, but no doubt it's tough right now with the cost/demand situation
i see many long time growers saying much the same
Tommy Trichome
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I disagree.. this is A++ indoor meds of a private elite strain (Oompa Loompa - Mendo Red x OG) at 9-1/2 weeks flushed and without molds and NO ONE will compensate me more than $3600 for it in the Bay Area.. and the majority of dispensaries will only compensate me $3200.. same can be said for clone only diesel, og, etc. (which are "The Right Niche")!!
Three years ago I could easily get $4k for elites..
So, in my experience, as my rent and PG&E bill goes up my compensation goes down..
Yeah the ordinance has passed the first vote, they're going to vote again soon, but nobody expects the vote to change. The ordinance would take effect in January of next year, but I'm very curious to see what the DEA does when they KNOW the address where 25K plants are being grown.
If they won't take action, another member offered to bring me in male hemp pollen from Europe, I'm sure I'm not the only one who is thinking this.
If they won't take action, another member offered to bring me in male hemp pollen from Europe, I'm sure I'm not the only one who is thinking this.
miltonchitlin
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I think council member Kernighan hit the nail on the head last night when she said these 3 person collectives will be allowed to grow freely but the ones claiming it's their job and putting food on their families table are not operating as a not for profit collective they are operating as a for profit business and therefore illegal in California.
Some odd voting at the end but it passed 5-2-1.
Some odd voting at the end but it passed 5-2-1.
much the same thoughts myself, if this isn't pushing the envelope, i don't know what is
but this kind of money probably wouldn't go in without some strong sense DEA isn't going to confiscate the whole shebang on the 1st day of operation
which is probably the most surprising aspect of the situation
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THE PABLOS
Medical markets? The same ones releasing drugs as non addictive....Oxy...for example....and then half the country hooked on them....or prozac...xanax....paxil.....?? yup regulation has worked well for the people. They bought into doctors/pharms and are too stupid to see they have made themselves victims....as now they have trouble functioning without them. That is a problem.
I understand your point....and I'm a realist. That...however...doesn't make it morally right....or honest to oneself....to keep pushing along this cart of disinformation and out and out fibs by elected government....and now.....when they throw you a crumb...you fall all over yourselves to get in line for a market....that will eventually be controlled by The Department of Agriculture or some such agency...taken out of your hands....and tainted like your food supply. They feed you shit....you will smoke their shit....cigarettes should be enough proof of that. It is a must now days to feed yourself and grow your own. Change your diet...live clean/unprocessed....see if I'm not speaking truth.
Handing over this medical thingy....will not affect me in a direct way. I lose no money....I still am able to grow (legally at the moment....my main concern with all the rah rah about regulation)...I'm not in the canna biz....supply no clubs...I'm happy with all my gardens (veggie gardens way bigger).....I'm just looking at what I view....what is really going down with these moves being made. I don't take away the genius or think all are bad intentioned. I do think the truth is something you may not want to know....there is no soul in these proposals. It is about money and control. Soul trumps both in my book. I'll go down swinging....drag me to the rez...
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THE PABLOS
Darwinism...I agree. Commercialism shouldn't be confused with Darwinism....though I can see how it may well be in this case...lol..it will be interesting to see.
I was doing some math the other day, comparing my costs per # and what volume it would take to stay profitable in this industry. Using the lowest figure I could find (RAND's $38/oz -$608/#, ugh!) I figure growing 10# a month would net me around $2K, but that also doesn't include my time. Barely worth the effort, that. I doubt I would do all that work to make $2k a month.
In other words, if prices fall to those levels, you better have at least a 20-light grow (harvesting 10 lights a month), otherwise you're just losing money and it would be MUCH cheaper to buy weed than to grow it.
The guys who have under 16 lights? Their cost to grow a pound (indoors) are likely higher than they cost to buy, so might as well sell that grow gear now!
In other words, if prices fall to those levels, you better have at least a 20-light grow (harvesting 10 lights a month), otherwise you're just losing money and it would be MUCH cheaper to buy weed than to grow it.
The guys who have under 16 lights? Their cost to grow a pound (indoors) are likely higher than they cost to buy, so might as well sell that grow gear now!
Lazyman...while I agree with your point....that RAND report isn't worth the paper it was printed on IMO. For argument sake and for a more realistic figure, lets say that top self drops all the way down to $2,500 a lb. Can you reconfigure your numbers going by that and give us your results?
Ok, I use a figure of around $900/# cost of production, which includes everything I could think of, including labor.
Some of those are fixed costs (irrespective of final yields) and some of them are variables, like time spent trimming. But let's use $1K as a nice round number and for ease of math.
I know RANDs numbers suck, but they were the worst I could find. The state AG has said they expect prices to drop by 50%, which puts us around $1500 a pound wholesale.
So at $2500 a pound that works out to $15K a month profit, at $1500 a pound it's $5K. That's before taxes mind you, but we'll see how that plays out in my particular county.
Before anyone gets all excited about profits, know that I typically reinvest at least 50% of each harvest back into the grow room, performing upgrades and repairs. The rest covers cost of living, and hopefully there's something set aside for savings to buy a house or set up another op.
For example, this months harvest is gonna be small, maybe 5#. Out of that I HAVE to buy 3 mini-split AC's (about $6K, $10K if I wasn't a good bargain hunter) , buy a trimmer (I've been renting one) pay my helpers, pay rent, power, 25 more bags of soil, nutes etc... In other words, I will get to keep about $0 of it, the entire crop has already been budgeted and spent on making sure I'm still operating next month.
Not every month is like that, but you'd be surprised at the expense of running a large op. My power bill is $3400 a month now! That alone is over a pound a month, gone to the utility company.
Growing small amounts of AAA quality weed is tricky, growing large amounts of it reliably is a BITCH. My quality doesn't change, but my first crop was 3#! My second was 6, and I haven't even paid for the hardware in the op yet (still in the red.) But I learn something new every day, plan ahead, budget very carefully, and work my ass off!
I just wish it counted for something at the end of the day, as I know that none of it is worth a damn thing to any legit business.
Some of those are fixed costs (irrespective of final yields) and some of them are variables, like time spent trimming. But let's use $1K as a nice round number and for ease of math.
I know RANDs numbers suck, but they were the worst I could find. The state AG has said they expect prices to drop by 50%, which puts us around $1500 a pound wholesale.
So at $2500 a pound that works out to $15K a month profit, at $1500 a pound it's $5K. That's before taxes mind you, but we'll see how that plays out in my particular county.
Before anyone gets all excited about profits, know that I typically reinvest at least 50% of each harvest back into the grow room, performing upgrades and repairs. The rest covers cost of living, and hopefully there's something set aside for savings to buy a house or set up another op.
For example, this months harvest is gonna be small, maybe 5#. Out of that I HAVE to buy 3 mini-split AC's (about $6K, $10K if I wasn't a good bargain hunter) , buy a trimmer (I've been renting one) pay my helpers, pay rent, power, 25 more bags of soil, nutes etc... In other words, I will get to keep about $0 of it, the entire crop has already been budgeted and spent on making sure I'm still operating next month.
Not every month is like that, but you'd be surprised at the expense of running a large op. My power bill is $3400 a month now! That alone is over a pound a month, gone to the utility company.
Growing small amounts of AAA quality weed is tricky, growing large amounts of it reliably is a BITCH. My quality doesn't change, but my first crop was 3#! My second was 6, and I haven't even paid for the hardware in the op yet (still in the red.) But I learn something new every day, plan ahead, budget very carefully, and work my ass off!
I just wish it counted for something at the end of the day, as I know that none of it is worth a damn thing to any legit business.
Yeah, my little shop in my town has been struggling, between local competition and internet sites, their margins have dropped to near-nothing. Last winter I talked to the owner about opening a shop of my own, he said
"Lazyman, I knew you'd be asking me that someday, but not only can you not get a territory within 2 hours of here from HydroFarm or Sunlight, I can barely cover payroll. There's just no money in this game anymore. You're about 3 years too late."
That said, Agramed and their ilk will have to buy gear somewhere, they can't sell gear (again, protected territories) but I'm sure they can beat up a local shop to supply them at just above cost.
LOL, if I wasn't against everything they stood for I'd be the perfect purchasing agent for them, I've been buying hydro gear for ages and know all the tricks.
Not sure where you have been brother... but here in Socal it is that price for top shelf...LOL
I think we can expect about 100/lb for dirtweed and about 250/pound for top... that is my projections.
Now with mr. Lee... in the picture with his mega grow, r&d, lab rats ect... exptect it to be lower than that.
