Oakland Pot-Growing Plan Worries Small Bud Tenders

[igrowone]

Someone needs to erase this dick... FCK Oakland & FCK big Pharma.. You can take Prop 19 and shove it up your @$$.

Peace,

R3ZNH3AD

these are the names i've seen associated with the MMJ factory permits

Jeff Wilcox who owns AgraMed
Dhar Mann who owns a 15,000-square-foot hydroponic supply store called iGrow

no where do i see Richard Lee mentioned, not yet anyways
this is a many player game, and will likely become more obscure as time goes on

this is the link i got them from
http://www.baycitizen.org/marijuana/story/building-pot-factories-oakland/

 

[joedub]

I didn't even think about that but the way that the bill is written could have all of cali denying the collectives and just purchasing from oakland and walmarting it out... I know for me locally that's a big possibility w/ the DA and police's attitudes.

 

[215forLife]

Jeff Wilcox is on the prop 19 steering committee,.. you can figure out the details from there....

 

[indickahead]

Keep the small growers in...

 

[emerald city]

Me thinks something evil this way come's.....As weve seen before what starts in cali ends up eventualy spreading like the plague....Our state[Maine] is just begining the process of allowing dispenseries to open.Many ideas on the table on how it will get implimentend.Lots of mom and pops who were looking to get involved with this new economy will be cut out of even having a chance to participate because of outside influences[a group from cali]has taken over a vast peice of the legal market....Maine has also played with the idea of warehouse type grow ops which further cuts out any chance a local farmer will be able to make a profit or be able to compete....I can understand the need for a town/state to need tax money,but why not have a level playing feild so us little guys can have a fair peice.....puck corperate,support mom and pop op's......E.C/out

 

[binaryfission]

The debate was heated in part because the proposed ordinance has gone through several revisions, and rumors have swirled about the regulations. City Council members said they received a flood of calls amid concerns that all dispensaries would be required to buy marijuana from the industrial facilities. But that is not a requirement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/us/18bcmarijuana.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&fta=y

 

[indickahead]

weed walmart? really?

 

[rick shaw]

The DEA has just requested information from Oakland about their plans for large scale grows.Any thoughts?

 

[GanjaAL]

All a push for prop19. That is what they are banking on.

 

[balla420]

It seems to me, alot of people in this thread are confusing the (negative) side effects of this thing Oakland and some other places are trying to pass with the effects of prop 19 alone.

If prop 19 passed and there were no "oakland growing plans" that would be the best situation. In that case, you'd have a healthy mixture of businesses that are 100% "in house" they grow their own pot, and sell their own pot from their own dispensaries, and other businesses that handle a single step and work together.. like a bulk grower who wholesales to a dispensary, who sells to the customer.

Then there is yet unforseen things. for instance.. If there is a great new strain, it could play out just like a company who has a "secret recipe" for their product... Only this would be a genetic recipe. If a strain is popular and people want it, and only one company/grower has it, that gives them an advantage.

Either way, this still allows for fair competition. And allows anyone to have a chance and building a profitable company.

the government shouldn't care because either with individual growers or a few select large mega producers, they will still be getting theirs cuz 10% tax on $1mil is $100k... wheather its from one grower selling $1mil worth of pot or 10 growers selling 100k worth of pot.


The thing to think about is if prop 19 passes, will all cities and counties follow the "oakland grow plan" I know some others are already talking about it. But the cause and outcome of that has NOTHING to do with prop 19... thats due to problems in politics in general.. and that's a whole different thread.

Also as some other's have mentioned.. what about the Feds. Since Obama has become president, I've heard a lot less about problems with the feds vs MMJ. But will the same hold true when its legalized for recreational use? especially if you have big "pot factories" like oakland is pushing towards? No way to know for sure.

 

[igrowone]

The DEA has just requested information from Oakland about their plans for large scale grows.Any thoughts?

that they are interested sounds like no surprise, they're always interested in big MJ grows
but if they were just going to do a bust/shut down, they'd probably do just that, no questions needed
but like any government bureaucracy, DEA's goal is to grow(or at least survive)
agents doing frequent inspections of MMJ facilities may not be as much fun as a good bust, but it is work for the field agents

 

[tallcan]

if theyre producing product like McDonnalds there should be nothing to worry about. The best burgers always come from a bbq at someones house.

 

[Strainhunter]

if theyre producing product like McDonnalds there should be nothing to worry about. The best burgers always come from a bbq at someones house.

No one's worrying anymore either way, the Feds already said it's not gonna happen.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I can't believe anyone will be suprised when America goes "corporate" with cannabis.

Today will be a happy memory in a few years methinks.

Yeah, these golden days of Jack boot thugs (DEA), high priced lawyers on retainer, and paranoia of never knowing when you might wake up to a gun in your face.

I won't miss it a fucking minute. Bring on the freedom and peace of mind of legalization. You guys have had ample time to make obscene untaxed profits, if you haven't done it already then I can understand why your afraid of competition....because your fucking incompetant!!!!

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

No one's worrying anymore either way, the Feds already said it's not gonna happen.

Just like medical marijuana wasn't going to happend? Then how'd so many cats become millionares off that shit? Feds are just trying to justify obscene budgets because majority of their busts come from mj. Once that golden goose is out of grasp they'll have to focus on meth cooks and crack dealers, real criminals who wouldn't think twice of dropping slugs in their domes.

 

[Strainhunter]

Just like medical marijuana wasn't going to happend? Then how'd so many cats become millionares off that shit? Feds are just trying to justify obscene budgets because majority of their busts come from mj. Once that golden goose is out of grasp they'll have to focus on meth cooks and crack dealers, real criminals who wouldn't think twice of dropping slugs in their domes.

Are you referring to warehouse grows?

Because that's what I was talking about.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Are you referring to warehouse grows?

Because that's what I was talking about.

Warehouses have been popping off before 215, during 215 and will continue to. BiG people will always do BiG things. Thats life. Voting against 19 isnt going to change that. 19 will jump the demand 20x fold due to all the tourists who will now be able to enjoy california's finest cannabis on vacation and many more will now make california a destination like they have with amsterdam merely based on the fact they can enjoy a marijuana legalization. Californina could become the new amsterdam....

 

[Strainhunter]

.......

Californina could become the new amsterdam....

Eventually yes.

But IMHO not any time soon.

After the FEDs stated what they stated they WILL make those peoples lives miserable as good as they can.

And they are good @ that.

 

[binaryfission]

there is an inherency argument to be made here.

Why aren't the feds badgering Lee now? or Igrow? or the Oakland city council? These folks have been significant players with their necks out. Why would this law change anything? They were big than and are still now. Lets not forget the copy cats, (San Leandro, Berkeley, the new Humboldt proposal) whose numbers will grow exponentially if this passes. Its wack a mole and they will hit someone who looks dirty, for the imagery.

Second, the feds aren't ignorant that this is an eventual SCOTUS case. Richard Lee v. Holder is a terrible media image for the feds. Bring a will-chair bound, geeky looking entrepreneur who has put millions of tax dollars into the local economy in front of the SCOTUS. I dream of this. Even if he loses the media attention will change the way America sees medical marijuana and cannabis in general.

lastly, it is still a states rights issue. and IMO it benefits the community to frame it that way. America works best, as a political system, when the states are used as testing grounds and laboratories for national issues. It is a wedge issue for republicans. who are far less pro pot than the dems. (not trying to be political just factual) ...Dems won on turnout, plain and simple. Young people and urban voters. These two groups are undoubtedly pro-pot. IMO, any ballot with a pot issue on it will bring these groups to the polls and benefit democrats. (<--- thats a little political sorry)