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Oakland Pot-Growing Plan Worries Small Bud Tenders

vta

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medical Oakland -- Oakland could approve a plan Tuesday to set up four marijuana factory farms, a step that could usher in the era of Big Pot.

The proposal is a testament to just how fast the marijuana counterculture is transforming into a corporate culture. And it has ignited a contentious debate in Oakland that could spread as cities face pressure to regulate marijuana cultivation and find ways to tax it.

"Everybody knows it's going bigger and big money is moving in," said Dale Gieringer, an Oakland resident and prominent marijuana activist. As the state edges toward legalization, he said, more businessmen will seek to capitalize on a fast-growing market in a recession-hindered economy, forcing cities to make difficult choices on how to exert control.

If the City Council approves the plan, one Bay Area businessman has already made it clear that he intends to apply for a cultivation permit. Jeff Wilcox, who owned a successful construction firm and has already incorporated as AgraMed, hopes to convert his empty industrial buildings near Interstate 880 into an enormous production facility. He plans to manufacture growing equipment, bake marijuana edibles in a 10,000-square-foot kitchen and use two football fields of space to grow about 58 pounds of marijuana every day, many times the amount now sold in Oakland.

What caught the City Council's attention was Wilcox's projection that he could hire 371 employees and pay at least $1.5 million a year in taxes. Oakland faces severe budget deficits and has already let go of 80 police officers.

Last week, a council committee sent to the full council the proposal to allow four large cultivation operations, worried that a delay might allow other cities to get the jump on Oakland. "I do want to encourage a few large growers because I think that's where the industry's going, and I don't think you're going to be able to hold that back," Councilwoman Jean Quan said.

But it has ignited intense opposition from medical marijuana activists, dispensary operators and growers in Oakland, who complain that the plan fails to include the growers who have risked federal prosecution for years to supply the city's four dispensaries. Normally secretive, they have started to speak out.

"It's not providing a pathway for folks to become more legitimate," said Dan Grace, an owner of Dark Heart Nursery, which raises about 10,000 pot clones a month in a 3,000-square-foot space. Grace said that his operation could triple its size — if Oakland allowed it.

Oakland takes pride in setting new marijuana precedents. It was the first city to regulate dispensaries, make marijuana crimes the lowest police priority and enact a special tax on marijuana. And Richard Lee, who operates one of its dispensaries, put the marijuana legalization initiative on the November ballot.

Even if Oakland approves the plan, it faces a serious obstacle: the feds. The Obama administration's policy is to leave medical marijuana operations alone if they are in "clear and unambiguous compliance with state law." In a memo, one council member wrote "this proposal is not legal under state law according to our city attorney." City Atty. John Russo's office declined to release his memo, citing attorney-client privilege.

Drug Enforcement Administration agents remain on the hunt for major growers. This month, agents raided a collective in Mendocino that was complying with the county's new cultivation ordinance, ripping out all 99 of its plants. The San Francisco DEA office referred questions on the Oakland proposal to the drug czar's office, which called it "the latest example of ongoing efforts to legitimize, through local ordinances, activities that remain illegal under federal law."

Said James Anthony, an Oakland lawyer who thinks the proposal should accommodate smaller growers: "There are no giant cannabis factories anywhere in the world, and it strikes me as a rather odd assumption that the first one is going to come into existence in the United States of America. I don't know. Maybe."

Oakland's proposal, drafted by council members Rebecca Kaplan and Larry Reid, would still allow small unregulated cultivation in homes but is intended to supplant hundreds of larger operations, establishing the four industrial operations "as the only legal model."

They argue that medium-size operations, often in gutted homes and illicit warehouses, are a hazard, causing electrical fires and drawing violent crime.

Many cities and counties are grappling with this issue.

Some, such as Redding and Tehama County, have placed strict limits on marijuana growing. . Long Beach has required its dispensaries to grow all of their marijuana on site. In Los Angeles, the City Council did not explicitly require collectives to grow on site, but the city attorney's office says that state law requires it.

And Berkeley, like neighboring Oakland, decided earlier this month to ask voters in November to approve six marijuana production operations of up to 30,000 square feet each.

Under Oakland's proposal, the four operations would pay an annual fee of $211,000, which would support a city staff to ensure they are operated safely and securely. But opponents see it as a steep barrier to entry and have proposed a sliding scale based on size.

"The ordinance basically sets up an oligopoly," said Gieringer, the longtime head of California NORML, which advocates for legalization. "I don't think we want just four humongous growers, not just Wal-Marts. We'd like to see lots of microbreweries, rather than Budweisers."

Steve DeAngelo runs Harborside on the Oakland waterfront, the largest legal marijuana retailer in the world. From his bright, airy dispensary, he and his 80 employees serve more than 600 patients a day, selling about 8 pounds of marijuana in about 100 varieties. He has nurtured a network of more than 400 patient-farmers, as he calls them. Fearing for their livelihoods, he has stirred up much of the opposition. "Any new system that is created needs to have a role for these pioneers," he said. "It's not the role of government to decide the winners and losers in the marketplace."

Standing next to about 60 thriving, 5-foot-tall plants sprouting from 30-gallon buckets, David Fry, a longtime Oakland grower, said he has little sympathy for these growers. "Why do it? It's not legal," he said. His operation, he said, is a by-the-book collective with members who share the work and the costs.

Scores of applicants are expected for the four permits, which would not be issued until January, but two businessmen who have been public about their dreams have galvanized opponents, who resent their wealth and recent arrival on the scene.

Wilcox declined to discuss his proposal until after Tuesday, when the council could vote. But when he spoke last week at the committee hearing, he appeared sensitive to the criticism. "I do not want and never want to monopolize this industry," he said. "I think we should open up some of these facilities for safe sanctuaries for the small- and medium-sized growers."

Dhar Mann made a lot of money brokering mortgages and escaped before the implosion. In January, he opened iGrow, a 15,000-foot hydroponics superstore , pitching it as the first to cater openly to medical marijuana growers. He also founded the University of Cannabis to teach cultivation classes. And he continues to envision new ventures at a rapid clip. "I really saw the pot industry as one with future growth," he said.

Mann said he has assembled a team to design an energy-efficient proposal for a large cultivation facility that would stack pallets of pot plants as high as five levels.. "This is the natural next step," he said. "If it is not Oakland, it's going to be some other city that's going to do it."

Source: Los Angeles Times (CA)
Author: John Hoeffel, Los Angeles Times
 

igrowone

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.. I go to 20 dispensaries in San Francisco.. ALL tell me that they won't pay any more than $3200 for a lb of A++ elite indoor (it costs me $3K to grow an lb & that's w/o paying myself for my time).. AND only 3 would even look at my meds.. and all of them wanted me to consign it for 6 weeks..

$3K per pound seems a bit steep, curious what the big cost factor is
only expensive leasing of growing space comes to mind, i know the rents are quite high in that area
 

kinesis

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I own several premium cannabis-related .com's that are worth good money and have potential - so I've already made my corporate preparations.

Looking forward to making my best marijuana-related domain name's value go from $660 to $20,000 overnight when Proposiiton 19 passes. Perhaps I'll use it to start a cafe, a collective, a bar, or whatever.

Just in case the rumor about the 5x5" reduction and modification to existing prop 215 laws, I'm grandfathering myself in with a San Diego County Card that deems "unlimited plants" as specified by my doctor.

Grandfather yourselves in NOW - just in case.

Weed will not go Walmart or big corporations dude... Even if it did people are mostly against corps right now, we're in a progressive era. I would rather trust personal grown top shelf than some GMO "Great Value" brand crap that Walmart would ever produce. This stupid rumor/hysteria is bullshit... Local county governments decided how if and how to tax the sales in their jurisdictions.. Walmart isn't going to spend all this time hiring people to meddle with local/state governments on planning their logistics of corporate GMO cannabis distribution.

I don't even buy my beer at walmart, when I wanna drink I go to Vons and I pick up a tall can. But I never drink.. maybe 3 times a year max.

Personally when I want to smoke or pick up smoke, I want an experience - a bar, a lounge, an environment - pool tables, ping pong, computer lan, snack bar - fun things to do

I don't want to go to the check out line at walmart and wait forever for their crappy GMO weed. I want to relax and be subdued in a totally chill emmersive environment, maybe even with an arcade or something.

A starbucks type of place.

I honestly see most corporations AVOIDING marijuana, in fear it may hurt their business or image. Most would remain neutral (walmart for example, known for corporate cruelty)
 

DoobieDuck

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VTA many thanks for sharing this story with us. I am in a Rural area and our local hick radio station even aired this today...spinning it out as a new war between growers and business. I found Steve DeAngelos' comment "It's not the role of government to decide the winners and losers in the marketplace." interesting as I tend to agree with it. DD
 

vta

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Steve DeAngelo runs Harborside on the Oakland waterfront, the largest legal marijuana retailer in the world. From his bright, airy dispensary, he and his 80 employees serve more than 600 patients a day, selling about 8 pounds of marijuana in about 100 varieties. He has nurtured a network of more than 400 patient-farmers, as he calls them. Fearing for their livelihoods, he has stirred up much of the opposition. "Any new system that is created needs to have a role for these pioneers," he said. "It's not the role of government to decide the winners and losers in the marketplace."

Now...that's THE scary thought...these small growers that supply our clubs losing to the big guy.

Mr. DeAngelo...what are you going to do?

Well if I was him...I would still buy from my current growers. Mainly because the 'laws' they are growing under now...will stay the same.

Also, these 'Mega Growers" are marketing the whole state...mainly the greater Los Angeles area.

Haborside's and the others fate, will be their own doing as far as supporting the current growers goes.

On another note....the cannabis market is going to explode if 19 passes. There will always be demand and that demand needs a supply. If you grow good pot, your still gonna be able to sell it.
 

vta

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I found Steve DeAngelos' comment "It's not the role of government to decide the winners and losers in the marketplace." interesting as I tend to agree with it. DD

Me too DD...I also believe that DeAngelo and others should do the self regulating needed to keep our growers employed.
 

HerbGlaze

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I don't understand dispensaries, its safe and professional but it comes with a huge price.
Go on the street and you can get at least twice as much, and the same quality.
 
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2Lazy

$20,000....sounds like a walk in the park...let me check my pockets.....and all those new partners...recipe for destruction...lol...guess my reality is far off the mark. Where do you peeps live? Classes? Are you shitting me? Geeezus fucking Christ.

Oaksterdam. It's a cannabis college... Technical school really. They have a variety of classes, and most of the dispensaries in the bay area look to hire people who have attended these classes and have accreditations.

When you really think about it that is exactly how this should all be done. If you're going to buy medical weed you should know how it was grown and that it was produced in the best way possible. That the grower was EXTREMELY knowledgeable and not just some dude with a rudimentary understanding. Developing a reputation at a dispensary would require some kind of name branding, and maybe including a little information to give someone who purchases the nugs.

These giant operations are going to have access to the best form of hydroponic methods, harvesting massive amounts of product. Machinery aside, the human interaction in this kind of operation is going to be very important. Oversight as well. The fed lets Mississippi U grow bud, the fed grows their own, lol! But seriously, as long as it's above ground, driving out the wrong elements, and paying a butt load of taxes it's not a terrible thing.

If you live in the bay area and you are a grower, and you have maybe $2000 to spend over a 6 month period then go take the classes at Oaksterdam. I think they offer them at a Santa Rosa satellite campus also. With the knowledge from them, or just the stupid piece of paper, getting a "legitimate" job in cannabis is very possible in the near future.
 
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THE PABLOS

....I have absolutely no interest in the "canna biz".....just like to be left alone to grow and do my own thing. I've been doing that for a long time. I wouldn't pay a dime for that school....it wouldn't help me much....I attended classes on botany at a local college down here...yrs ago....my interest being in all things of the plant world. I'm a hobby/private circle type guy... past the age of hair cuts,dress codes,drug testing, or needing someone checking my credentials....to get a job. Mostly retired in my 40s....and happy.

I wouldn't hire anyone....if I was running an op....that didn't have field time and a proper intro through my circle. I admit I enjoy talking to the pretty ladies they have working in the clubs in SD. I wouldn't say that most of them....know shit about herb....but I can excuse that...lol. I mostly stop in on a few at the beach....buy a brownie or something....but I have no use for the med clubs...no offense intended toward anyone. I wish they would drop the "Oaksterdam"....or whatever y'all call it.....that's positively lame imo. Jobs.....that cracks me up.....all concerned about jobs now....lol....gets deeper everyday.

I'm not at all afraid of commercialism....I'm disgusted how fast people are willing to buy in...and support the liars just because of their fear of LEO or the potentials in the exploitation of Mary Jane. Fuck it. My views have been stated.....I'm so not with you....and I will not shed a tear when it falls apart....and you realize...that now in California...in the gray..these are the "Good Ol' Days". Stop fucking with a good thing...and get your heads out of the government's lap....watch the rich set up to get richer...so you may get a minimum wage job. Not directed at any specific ICers.
 

krunchbubble

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there was just a news story on this on channel 5. they showed the warehouse that richard lee is going to do. vertical modular system some kat said. 60+ lbs a day harvested.

then the owner of harborside came on for an interview. he says hes for the 4 major growing warehouses. but wants it modified for smaller growers who he said WILL BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS. i applaud him for thinking of the smaller kats.......good guy.

it does not look good for the smaller growers anymore. if these warehouse are a hit with the city, they will most likely be put up all around.

4 warehouses times 60 + lb's per day = 240 lb's being thrown into the market every single fucking day....

walmart.....killing the mom and pops one at a time.......

the cannabis biz is completely changing. personally, i think for the worse. it just goes to show, have shit loads of cash and you can corner the market and make it impossible for the little man to compete


ill pay 10K for a lb of male pollen....
 

GanjaAL

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What cracks me up is... everyone seems to hate corporate america but embraces it under the farce of legalization when all along it is about getting rich off of taxation.
 

GanjaAL

Member
nothing will happen to them. They will grow maga amounts and mom and pops will go on social security. Prop 19 will win... but not by my vote.
 

igrowone

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there was just a news story on this on channel 5. they showed the warehouse that richard lee is going to do. vertical modular system some kat said. 60+ lbs a day harvested.

then the owner of harborside came on for an interview. he says hes for the 4 major growing warehouses. but wants it modified for smaller growers who he said WILL BE PUT OUT OF BUSINESS. i applaud him for thinking of the smaller kats.......good guy.

it does not look good for the smaller growers anymore. if these warehouse are a hit with the city, they will most likely be put up all around.

4 warehouses times 60 + lb's per day = 240 lb's being thrown into the market every single fucking day....

the cannabis biz is completely changing. personally, i think for the worse. it just goes to show, have shit loads of cash and you can corner the market and make it impossible for the little man to compete

interesting, 60 lbs would be maybe 250 plants(roughly)
call it a 100 day cycle per plant for simplicity, and that's 25,000 plants at a facility
yeah, the times are a changing
 

TBug

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High ALL! Its ALWAYS been about the money, leagal or not. Shit..I dont care what they do. As long as i can have my closet without going to jail or losing my job. ....Im good. let them fat cats fuck it up(they always do) when peeps dont to buy their shit cuz it sucks, ill have a line at my closet door...lol.
peace, bugout
 

krunchbubble

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this whole thing reminds me of my grandpa.

many years ago, my grandparents was given 1000's of acres by the government, it was called homesteading. the property was a former Japanese concentration camp....

my grandpa grew potatoes for granny goose for decades, along with most of the farmers of the area. it was a steady, ok paying way to live.

one year granny goose decided to not buy any more potatoes from the area. the next year, most of the farmers were desperately low on cash and granny goose said "hey, ill buy your property", at a discount since you guys cant sell anything anymore....

that year almost every farmer was forced to sell there property to granny goose for a fraction of what it was worth. the farmers who didn't sell tried to stay afloat by selling to other companies and such, but everyone was failing, most of them ended up killing themselves. no money, no way to sell product.......
 

pearlemae

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I was talking to my wife about this a few days ago, and we decided that even if or when MJ is legalized the big growers walmart size will get it made illegal for small growers or home growers, thus ensuring their profits. It's all about the money, not helping sick people, they could care less what is done with the weed as long as they can make alot of cash. Also as weed is still illegal what are the Fed's going to do about the wal marting of weed. I don't see them letting it happen, but I maybe wrong on that.
 

danieltanner

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Fucking hell.. At least 240 lbs coming out of Oakland every goddamn day? That's going to kill shit everywhere, not just in California.

I'm slightly surprised that Richard Lee and his ilk haven't been disappeared yet.. not that I would condone such activities, I'm just saying, it's surprising.
 

215forLife

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Quote from the chronicle about what went down

"By regulating certain growers, Oakland also plans to crack down on illegal grows, said Arturo Sanchez, an assistant to the city administrator."

They are going to fuck people over.
 
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