From a bottle, we sometimes use Alga C.. but these sides its all about home-brewed teas. (see below)
Nutrients we have used in the past with good results include,, Bio Biz Bloom, Rhizotonic, Canna (commercially) and H&G 1part Arde and AN Iguana juice bloom (recreationally)... although the formulas on most of these have since changed.
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home-brewed tea
- bat guano (Peruvian, Kenya, Jamaica)
- sea bird guano (UK)
- worm cast
- sugar / honey
- urine
added for deficiencies
- nettles and burdock
- mole hill soil
- alga c
the above is fermented at 15-20c for a few weeks using an air-stone in a bucket.
feed is diluted down to 1.4 - 1.8 EC (approx), with the food value taken as higher than the reading.
Hope this helps
All cannabis enzyme products are a rip-off and very very dilute.
You can buy enzymes in very much more concentrated form for cleaning septic tanks, unblocking sinks and treating pond algae. Advanced Nutrients Voodoo Juice, which is very expensive, is nothing more than rebottled septic tank cleaner they buy in bulk.
One good, cheap source of enzymes is this Hagesan Kitchen Sink & Drain unblocker, it's very strong so use it in tiny amounts, about 6 quid for a 750ml bottle and will last you a long time.
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Just ordered me self some Potsil. Thanks for that
I just add a capful of the Hagesan stuff to my nute mix once a week. Because I recycle my nutes after each watering this seems to work for me. It's approx 20x stronger than Cannazym so you don't need to use a lot of it, best advice I can give is to experiment, starting with a very low dose of like 0.1ml per litre and go from there.
I use it as soon as my seedlings have their first true leaves, I stop using it a week or two before flush as it can make buds hard to burn (silicates are fire retardants) and too much silicon is why a lot of the commercial buds you see from the Asians won't hold a flame in a joint.
Silicone is particularly good if you like to crush the stems (supercropping) to control height, I do that a lot due to height issues and feeding silicon the day after really helps em recover. I've had some really thick and hard stems on my plants due to silicon and pinching the stems, I had a 2 foot tall KC that had a stem so thick and hard I could have used it as a weapon! lol
Because I use coco the Plant Magic stuff hasn't really appealed to me, but I see they have a coco nute out now. I'll not be buying any nutes for a long time till I've used up all the stuff I have.
maybe i could be a little bolder with the Silicon-
General Hydroponics ~Ripen
i've been banging on about this for years. It's fantastic-i won't grow without it. It is sold as a forcing solution-to make the plants finish more quickly than they normally would. But it doesn't do that. What is does is, if applied say week 6 or 7 (on an 8weeker), is initiate a further burst of flowering-and a bottom up yellowing of the plant.
So a bright crown of white pistils will appear on the top of bulbous ripe finished buds-which can look striking under halides.
It is a pkboost-0/5/6 i think-but there is something else in it (hormone/growth regulator) because no other simple pkboost produces this effect. The instructions say to run it until the chop @ ec 1.8 but IME it is best to run it at whatever ec you were giving them prior to using the Ripen.
In hydro you can see the effect within 24h ~ how many other additives will do that (in a good way)~in coir it takes 2-3days to see it. I run it up to the chop and it leaves no aftertaste-in fact it think it may help in that area.
otherwise the main reason that i use it is that when i do the plants produce more bud-
cheers guys
eddieS
I havent seen what you have with it bro, ive used it for years too but ive never seen it produce flushes of new growth, Ever, & believe me it does do what its supposed to bro, but im sure it helps Bud to swell as they Ripen, i see pistils receading & Calyx swellin within days, its very fast acting!! I never see new growth with it. Just more Swell & trichs & im sure it enhances flavour too.
Its a great product without doubt but care needs to be taken when using the stuff. ( 1 ) Ive seen it produce Nanners on many occasions, makes sense as it is a stress causing agent! hence the ripening effects, ive even considered using it as a stressing agent for selfing moms, i wonder if that would work?. ( 2 ) I advise people to use it for short periods of up to a maximum of 10 days as to reduce the possibility of nanners & never use at full strength. Ive noticed it does improve essential oil production but ( 3 ) i've also had a sulpher taste if it isnt flushed properly afterwards im sure.(NFT & DWC)
An underated & overlooked product imo, is there anything else like it on the market? i dont think there is, ive never seen one. I'll always have a bottle on hand, very usefull stuff!.
G'Luck!
btw, as far as i know GHRipen is not considered a PK booster, more of a forcer/finisher! I cant remember the name of the active ingredient that makes it do what it does, bugger i forgot(an acid of types-abscisic acid maybe?), i also like that it has zero nitrogen, better for the final push. It does make Buds finish fast ime with it & More peeps should give the stuff a try, quite right eddie!
Ripen and Topshooter or Shooting Powder are two very different products.
If anything TS and SP increase your flowering time.
Yes they do share the ability of noticeable results within a day or so. But TS works by forcing the plant to create a whole new crown of growth onto of the existing buds. Rather than forcing the plant to finish. The reason the plants yellow so quick on TS is that your introducing it at say week 6-7 and dropping the base ec down to 1.2 so N gets depleted really quickly.
Now TS and Ripen together could be an interesting combo. Perhaps use TS for a couple of weeks, then ripen for one. But I still have to do 2 weeks on plain water. Wouldn't even use flush to be honest... surely plain water is the best for flushing.?
Been looking at TS for a while but that stuff aint cheap, yeah Herb that is an interesting little concept you have there, I wonder man! get it on, i cant afford the TS or id buy it to finish off my lot with the GHR like you've sugested, Could be a winner.(Im using GHR though)
On the Flush, people always confuse a flush with a leach, they are two different things(im not saying you herb btw).
the Flush from Canna is Crap & a waste of money, its the only one ive tried so im not so sure on flush products(clearing solutions), but Vitalinks Flush sounds interesting in its spec, check that out, as i prolly will at somepoint. Its better to Leach with a real mild nute solution to rid netpots & Rockwool etc of any left over salt residue or Build up, plain water wont touch this shit(salts) but a low EC nute solution will help, salts get attracted to salts & stick like a magnet, helping draw it out of said media. after a mild EC leach-out then id flush with plain water(Last 5-7days in DWC), i find is ample. Majority of my grows in DWC are ran on low EC values, so i rarely have any sort of salts to worry about. = minimal flush time required! gotta luv DWC!
that's wierd , guys-what medium are you using? I've never used it in soil/compost, but have in coir and various hydro with the same results. As have some grower friends. Odd. I'm going to have a look in your galleries to see whats happening.
Never had an adverse results either. I have experimentally given one plant Ripen for 3weeks before the chop-the reason being that i was talking to a knowledgable grower a few years ago about Ripen and he said that he had been using it as his main flowering fert-from the end of the stretch to the finish-people say all sorts of wierd shit, i know, but it one of the many things that i have been meaning to try for ages and haven't got around to
as an aside-i threw 50L of waste Ripen solution on to an ornamental bush/tree that i had in the garden for years-the flowers and new shoots expanded too much and every thick wooden branch snapped under the weight-as if it was on steroids (which it quite possibly was)
great to hear other growers take on these products
cheers
eddie
Another thing that i often use is Gnat Off. It is a remedy for fungus gnats (and possibly other beasts). The active ingrediant is Baccilus thurengsis israelensis-it is alive and multiplies in the medium excreting stuff which kills the larvae.
It has worked for me, in coir, on several occasions. The recommended dose is 1ml/L in with the nutes. I use it every other day, or thereabouts, however on one occasion after 2weeks on this treatment there were still gnats present so i doubled the dose (2ml/L)-this worked and the plants showed no ill effects.
The bad thing about it is the cost-around £20 for 250ml.
cheers
eddieS
lol STUPPA! I wanna use the predators as a precaution but i hear they die out quickly with nothing to kill
btw guys, nilnat by Canadian express is just as good and works out cheaper
At last a Ripen appreciation thread ....... I started using it in soil now it's coco, but it has to be the cheapest, most effective 'final feed' ever
I use Plant Magic Flush for the final week then 2 days of water ..... the difference is stunning
yes herbs..were you ge that from?? ..ive been trying to source budswell from canada/usa same stuff to a certain degree
Ive used most base nutes on the market but now resort to maxi seaweed (very early stages),canna coco a&b, ionic or hammerhead (AN have stopped doing the 4ltrs bottles and charge for 1ltrs CUNST) thats why i've moved to ionic, also use ripen when i remember..always have calmag aswell,defo goner look at silicates in coco now as i use to use in hydro all the time ..I find ripen usually makes it swell and after 7 days it will fall over more so than normal and adds flavour and you'll the result fast...
great info funky...im tempted to try your mix for hammerhead as i swear by it ..i really like it..thanks
Hey Eddie bro,
Yeah right, thats interesting. Maybe your nute & addy programme is doing this. Like i said ive used the stuff for years & its always done what its supposed to do. I always see Calyx swell & a flush of ripening, never have i seen new growth, maybe stuff pushing through that was already coming through. Ripen is designed to Stress plants into finishing/Ripening, ime it stresses the plants to bits man, really forcing them to finish off & has always done so for me(so much stresss i see nanners with high dose & prolonged use). Its always served its purpose of finishing/ripening very fast & ive always seen its effects immediatlely(within 2-3 days). maybe other users of GHRipen can chime in & give their experience with it. Im running it this time too, maybe in 2 weeks or so's time. I'll be using it for 7 days before my final 7 day flush. Ive only ever used it in DWC & NFT btw.
Thanks for your input bro!
Where's all you GHRipen users out there?
hows that maxicrop nute? i got it in my whatch list for some time now...Maxicrop Natural Organic Fertiliser & Superthrive Pot-Sil & Bloombastic this run.. All under £50
Iv used some mychorrizae i bought from the garden centre went really far you use it when repotting, it was in a granule form. It seemed to colonise the roots but not for long, maybe it needed more applications to keep it going but i was unsure if it would work or not adding it in the nutrient solution.
I also read its only any good for in the ground outside as it doesnt stay alive in pots...? Iv tried googling info on mycho but never come up with anything specific, usually about trees...
Snagged it off ebay from the same supplier I got the Triethanolamine and Sulphated Castor Oil from, the Citric Acid was 2.50 for a kilo, the Triethanolamine was 6.99 for a litre and the Sulphated Castor Oil was 3.49 for a litre and had free shipping so a real bargain. Be years before I need to buy any more PH Down or spidermite sprays! lol
I'm going to do a tutorial thread on making your own rooting gel 5x the strength of Clonex shortly as I just bought the Indole-Butyric Acid (IBA) and Napthalenic Acetic Acid (NAA) needed to make a litre of the stuff.
If cloning in RW I recommend a good 24 hour soak. 1.2 EC, root excel and superthrive at ph5.5.
Take 150 cuts in 2 hours and all will be rooted in 5-6 days. I like to take small cuts.. say 1 or 2 nodes below the RW and 1 or 2 above.
ive only used ripen the 1 time and will neva use it again . it changed the smell n taste of my cheese grow . 10oz of cheese wasted .
I got some green sensation for cheap mate, but @ the RRP most of this shit is a joke tbh I like your approach regarding making up stuff and saves the bother of visiting shops etc. Not that sure on my own ability to knock a good brew up from base additives/ ferts though. I'd have to copy something like you've already figured out or risk screwing shit up
Dr. D, I believe you are actually referring to House and Garden Top Booster. This is the pk13/14 with added Fe.
Top Shooter is the Gel or the Powder and is NOT a PK 13/14.
Can I recommend on your next run you try some Canadian Express Superior Potash. Nice and cheap and is at the correct ratio of PK for indoor cannabis cultivation. (9/18)
I have done the whole AN line up Monkey Juice next to H&G.
First An cost me about £450 for everything.
H&G was about £190
As for finished product and weight, I am still using H&G. I test things out from time to time, but I do not think you can beat the H&G line.
I personally would not attempt the 5ml / L on the Top Booster. I think that really would fry the plants.
All in all, H&G produces way tastier, healthier, cheaper, bigger crops. Without doubt. As most who have compared the two lines will attest.
Anyone had any calmag issues using Formulex to feed young uns in plain coco?
I usually start em in a light soil/coco mix or straight coco then start feeding them at 1ml per litre with Rhizotonic at 4ml per litre but dont ph the nutes until they are two to three weeks old, maybe a little bit if you are using Rhizo...
I gave a pinch of epsom salts with my last watering and they have noticeably greened up so I think it was mag def. Formulex isn't coco specific so looks like it hasn't got enough mag in it for cuttings in coco. I'll go back to using veg coco nutes when I've used up this Formulex.
formulex wiv coco works as good as any other nute ,especially for clones ,ec 1.0 ph 5.8 never failed with formulex
check your water quality and the condition of the mother plant .
put clones in coco soaked with formulex into propagator leave for 5 days ,then open vents ,,should get roots any day after
i find its best to keep feed simple . no point useing shit loads of additives what leave your buds tasteing like ass even after a good flush .
all i use is canna A/B , regen a root , headmasta , and potash (insted of canna pk13/14 ) . a good 2 week flush of plan water and jobs a good un . taste buds .
It`s been interesting in hearing some of your veiws on nutes these days, i`m happy in coco and only use min nutes, thats canna a+b then pk13/14 then H2O flush, my mate uses the full range of canna in coco and its got to bump up up his nute bill by at least £300 per grow.
I`v seen a few of you are using regeneroot, and potash from CE along with a+b from canna what are your veiws?
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Good post edgey
Im going to have to try out the some of the CX stuff as my other stuff runs out, ive always used Rhizo but if the regen is cheaper then thats the way to go!
Im defo trying out the potash soon, any idea what is in the Head Masta?
Swamp Dog im using their Top Booster (pk 13-14) with good results.
Never heard anything bad about their stuff only good tbf. Good quality nutes as far as i can tell...Peace
Solidops, hows that res going? Im interested to see how that goes. If you leave Canna coco nute solution for a few days it goes funny, leaves a scale on top of the water and goes murky...Let us know how that goes..
peace
my res lasts 3 days when i fill the ph is 5.8 on the 3rd day its up to 6.0 but my next grow the res will be phed every day . bang on 5.9 neva had scale ir murky water but i guess when the pump comes on it moves the water around . i found the ph goes all over the place when i used a air pump n air stone so i dont bother with that anymore ..
Ive been using regen a root and found this product truely amazing..i grab some pics of what i got in veg if interested..AMAZING and ive never had roots like it in ten years of growing!! the whole 11ltr pots are full thick from top to bottom with roots which only got transplanted from a 1 pint glass to the 11ltr pot 7 days ago THANKS CHEESEY
Question about Regeneroot. It says on the bottle to use it all the way through the plants life but as plants stop producing roots a couple of weeks into flower was wondering if its worth using it beyond this point. Cheers for an help.
Read in a couple of different places the plant puts all its energy into flowering and stops rooting later in flower. I do use it all the way through guess I'll do some more research, will try and find a link to where i read it.
Just going of what I've read. Rockster states Sativas continue growing roots later into flower and Indicas stop sooner. Its later in flowering when their putting all the energy into flowering. Also read Hydro continue growing roots whislt soil dosn't. its hard to know what to believe. I can believe root growth slows late in flower but just don't know. As you say will use it all the way through. Quote by Sonic.
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Originally Posted by Rockster
I'm afraid I disagree,indica's and most indica/sativa hybrids root growth slows down greatly with the onset of flowering.
I've repotted a plant at 6 weeks flowering and after it finished examined the roots and they'd grown very little,all but stopped.It was KC Brains Mango.
However,many pure sativa's do have root growth throughout far more of the flowering period.
Quote Sonic
i agree with you mate , but only in soil . i have cut the bottom out of a pot then placed the pot on a bigger pot filled with soil . the roots never go into the new soil .
but flowering plants in an nft set up for example , will all ways be making roots , thats one of the down sides to nft and hydro . to much root growth and not enough bud growth . leafy compared to coco and soil .
plants in flower should be making buds not roots , i have had massive yield with little roots , if the pot is full of roots before flower it can hinder the flowering process .
we want enough root space for the plant to think it can still spread out .
Thanks guys some really good advice there. Swapped to Regeneroot, Headmasta and Superior Potash having excellent results with them. Can you spot the Chemdog D with the curly leaves.
turbo posting buddy?
Have canna nutes lost strength? I have always uses half measures but i just got back from a newbies grow and despite looking great the plants have yielded fuck all, im wondering if they cottoned on to the fact people only used half measures and have diluted the A+B.
Not sure what else to think, the plants looked great till they dried.....they were in 6 litre pots and although they are not weighed in yet i think i have pulled more in a 1 litre pot.
I think i may have to look away from Canna in the future.
Peace
lol found out the same thing buds just dont seem to fill out
al be back with pics
peace
canna base nutes
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h&g cocos base nutes
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also used headmasta and superior potash on both runs 6ltr pots too
peace
Nice looking buds
I use 1K of light myself in a DR150 but I have to split the wattage 600/400 because they give off less heat than a single 1k.
I'm doing a split grow soon and was thinking of using H&G for my 14 Afghan Kush and my normal organic line up for the rest.
I've heard good things about H&G if maximum yield is your aim
Mother earth tea bloom 2.5ml per ltr
Piranha 0.3 g per 1ltr
Voodoo 3 ml per 1 ltr
Sensizym 2 ml per ltr
Carboload 2 ml per 1ltr
Eggy's F1 2.5 ml per 1ltr
Eggy's H2 2.5 ml per 1ltr
Molasses 1 tbs per 10 ltr
Organic B 2.5 ml per 1ltr
Superthrive 3 drops per 4.5 ltr's
Came out at about 1 ec with the Tap water.
I also like Iguana at 2.5ml per ltr
And I'm alternateing between headmaster and Superior potash every watering at 0.5ml per ltr.
I usually use AN Big Bud.
This added mix gets me from 1.2-1.4 ec. Any more is a waste.
I only use this first two weeks then cut out the Voodoo, and strip a few fan leaves off before cutting out the additives.
Iguana, carboload and Maxicrop seaweed weeks 3-5. Then another week of the above feed and finish of with carboload and maxicrop before water at the end.
Anyone trying pure Veganic and getting good results?
plantmagic is just about sold every where mate greens horticulture sell it
progrow don't for some reason
peace
I'm still using canna, but I used PM om my last grow and liked the results it gave. I got a lil bloom left which I'm gonna use when the time comes. Will probably get some more PM bloom to.
Canna gives great results afaik, but I have yet to try H&G.
I'm currently using canna coco a&b, budlink silcone, bcuzz coco stimulator, that H&G root stim that comes in the tin type container- name alludes me! Plus ata-clean (same shit as drip clean) Then a weekly foliar of maxi crop seaweed extract. Seems to be doing the bizz from what I can tell, think the coco stimulator has molasses & seaweed in it and goes through my blumats without a problem so I don't bother adding molasses until the end of the grow which I use alongside ripen to get them nice and flushed.
anybody using headmasta still? Stuff stinks but seems to work well as early bloom stim (days 21 - 35, then I add a lil PK13/14 if I remember lol)
From memory its excess Phosphorous that spoils your end product and not potassium. The last 10-14 days I always feed my girls a molasses based product that makes my herb super smooth and super clean (white ash and burns perfectly).
As we all know molasses is quit rich in potassium.
it was my biggest yield to date and chopped 2wk early
be carefull with it it's strong and I would advise using from wk4 unless you can counter the high amounts of k too early with cal mag
peace
After doing a side by side comparrison of the Buddhas tree pk 9/18 and Headmasta and Superior Potash by Canadian Express, the results acheived with the Canadian Express range is better with both overall vigour and taste as well as the resin production wins hands down. I think I will stick with the Canadian Express as better price as well, I now think the Budhas pk 9/18 stuff is over rated IMHO.
pass the tips on hazy I'm after the clean tasty weed myself not quite there yet I've even tried r.o on a 14 day flush still not quite where I want to be
any tips for tasty coco grown bud would be great
I'm missing something out somewhere
Thing is mate a lot of these dudes are either banned, like this
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Done the banned in red because they were naughty boys/dudes and FOG in green cos he was...
I need to go out and get some new boost , I usually use headmasta and pk 13/14 but I can't get hold of headmasta locally , tried liquid carboload last run and I'm ok with it but not overly impressed .
Anyone got any recommendations on a replacement for them ?
Thanks
Edgey
I need to go out and get some new boost , I usually use headmasta and pk 13/14 but I can't get hold of headmasta locally , tried liquid carboload last run and I'm ok with it but not overly impressed .
Anyone got any recommendations on a replacement for them ?
Thanks
Edgey
Stay around THEODDONE!
We like nice people, and ultimately we are (mostly) let be in this forum.
Dont let an overbearing mod ruin icmag for you, its a very useful forum, and like you said the U.K section is well populated over here.
Im not sure about pictures, but that is not an unreasonable assumption.
At last a Ripen appreciation thread ....... I started using it in soil now it's coco, but it has to be the cheapest, most effective 'final feed' ever
I use Plant Magic Flush for the final week then 2 days of water ..... the difference is stunning