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No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
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I know man. Its like it is with a wife. Do you want to be happy,or right? Lol
Grandpa drop the bomb on that one. Then i truly understood the meaning of yes dear
I hear ya man!
My grandad used to say let them tell you how to do everything, then just do it your way and let them think they were right. Easier life all round
The awesome power of "yes, love"
Really now Either hurt or in rebellion is this what you believe ???
that sounds like your blind siding yourself into believing that ..
i believe in real things And your God has no real proof of anything so in other words its BS its easy to say god created the universe simple way for a christian,, to not even bother using his brain and stay stuck on his idiotic believes
Did God make the PC , or Phone , fuck no ..
The Universe is out of your so called GODS league , Ask your self one thing what has jesus or god really truly done for anyone ?????
other then give people false hope ,
has god cured disease , famine, if you really get down to it GOD has caused disease and famine ,, death and prosecution my the millions and its still stuck in your brain GOD LOVES EVERYONE
So please this is bout facts not fairy tales and beliefs cause really thats a fucking joke ...
Is a Doctor GOD , he can determine if you live or die on a operating table , but again why are you there,,,, shouldn't you be praying to your god instead of using science to save your life...
Seriously why do you bother taking prescribed scientific made drugs to cure your illness ..
why do you not accept the GOD gave you this and wants you dead
He has plans for you alright hahaha
Look dr.fever,you can go on and on about this. Its as simple as this,you d9nt believe and i do.
You can keep trying to be a dick about it, but it is a fact you cannot disprove that god exists. You can try and prove it dose not exist. Good luck. I hope it brings you peaceful joy.
And in regaurds to death and diseases it just part of life. It was not given but earned.
Again your heart has be harden and closed off.
Probably you experienced a tragic event ,or your just traumatized by society's bullshit of existence. Really take a look at things. Its funny i came to GOD,by bearing witness to evil. Somebody put it together for me and i seen the devils works
Lol life is funny like that.i used to dwell on the existence of existence. Is god an "alien" ( extraterrestrial) . Was it made up as a coping mechanism for death. Lol
Truth of the matter is we live in a multiverse,there for it is most likely the existence of extra dimensional being billions of years ahead of use. Who probably have the ability to create a universe in a petri dish or in a book or marble.
Have you ever noticed that the atomic model looks just like the cosmic modle. Also do you realize that the scientists who are working string theory found that the existence as we know looks just like a computer code
Google the matrix is real. Avoid the youtube conspiracy vids and focus on scientific papers.
Ive done all the leg work of the topic of GOD. Ive looked at it from evry angle. I was not raised in a religious setting. I dont practice religion (it mostly a scam for $) i exercise faith.
Faith that we are not alone,and there are much greater things out there that is responsible
For existence as i know it.
Good luck to you on your journey .peace love and happiness. And be careful wbat you wish for becuase you might just earn it (non existence)
You can keep trying to be a dick about it, but it is a fact you cannot disprove that god exists. You can try and prove it dose not exist. Good luck. I hope it brings you peaceful joy.
And in regaurds to death and diseases it just part of life. It was not given but earned.
Again your heart has be harden and closed off.
Probably you experienced a tragic event ,or your just traumatized by society's bullshit of existence. Really take a look at things. Its funny i came to GOD,by bearing witness to evil. Somebody put it together for me and i seen the devils works
Lol life is funny like that.i used to dwell on the existence of existence. Is god an "alien" ( extraterrestrial) . Was it made up as a coping mechanism for death. Lol
Truth of the matter is we live in a multiverse,there for it is most likely the existence of extra dimensional being billions of years ahead of use. Who probably have the ability to create a universe in a petri dish or in a book or marble.
Have you ever noticed that the atomic model looks just like the cosmic modle. Also do you realize that the scientists who are working string theory found that the existence as we know looks just like a computer code
Google the matrix is real. Avoid the youtube conspiracy vids and focus on scientific papers.
Ive done all the leg work of the topic of GOD. Ive looked at it from evry angle. I was not raised in a religious setting. I dont practice religion (it mostly a scam for $) i exercise faith.
Faith that we are not alone,and there are much greater things out there that is responsible
For existence as i know it.
Good luck to you on your journey .peace love and happiness. And be careful wbat you wish for becuase you might just earn it (non existence)
genedigger
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exactly its about noticing the devil and then god becomes so much clearer,but it takes way more of an open mind than any scientist has
bill cooper
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Typical delusional theists, its got nothing to do with having a open mind its called being gullable or brainwashed , anyone with a shred of common sense can see how absurd it is to follow the Abrahamic religions 
IF i have offended anybody forgive me 
IF i have offended anybody forgive me
People who believe in god (theists) subscribe to the theistic idea that the Universe was the work of a creator-god. They say that 'god did it', and although many books have been written about the details, there are fundamental problems with the whole idea that a god created the Universe.
Many argue that all things must have a cause, and therefore, god exists as the 'first cause' of everything else. These people ask questions like "Who do you think created you?" and "Do you think the Universe came out of nothing... who do you think created it?". These types of questions both rely on the "everything must have a cause, therefore God exists" argument. But this argument doesn't work. Examine these points:
No particular conclusion can be drawn from the belief that "everything has a cause". The cause might be something atheistic, automatic, non-conscious, etc. If "everything has a cause, therefore God exists" is a leap of faith that rests upon assumption. Why not, instead, state that: "everything has a cause, therefore karma explains everything?". Additional assumptions are required in order to draw a conclusion from the argument that "everything has a cause".
If god-believers say that 'everything must have a cause' and state that this means that god exists, then, they have missed a part of their declaration out. Their true belief is that "everything must have a cause, apart from God". The term for God as the cause of everything is the 'first cause', so, this is the same as saying "everything must have a cause, apart from the first cause".
God isn't a simple thing; it has thoughts, motivations (to create, to love, etc), it has powers, imagination and its thoughts are themselves ordered logically and coherently so that it can plan things and think about things in a sensible way. In short, God is quite a complicated being.
These two facts combined to produce the more accurate first-cause argument:
Theists believe that everything must have a cause, apart from the complicated self-created first-cause that has a coherent internal logic.
The "everything must have a cause" part of the argument must be wrong. It is not true that everything must have a cause. In a causal world, there must always be something that has no cause.
“All causal explanations must have an arbitrary beginning”
"History of Western Philosophy"
Bertrand Russell (1946)2
Book Cover“The argument that there must exist a first cause of everything is open to serious doubt as long as we adhere to any simple notion of cause, irrespective of whether the universe is infinitely old, or had a definite beginning in time.”
"God And The New Physics"
Paul Davies (1984)3
The conclusion that "everything has a cause apart from one thing" is not only a cornerstone of atheism and theism, but also a generic scientific and religious theory. Many scientists (but not all) think that the big bang was a singularity. This means, it was not the result of an ordered physical law, but was the result of an impossible situation that no laws cover. In other words, it was uncaused. The religious theory that there is a "first cause" is found not only in monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam, but in atheist religions such as Buddhism too - eventually, everything will be returned to Nirvana and the samsaric cycle of cause-and-effect will end, but, Nirvana itself is uncaused4. All around, the reasoning that "everything has a cause, except one thing" is used to support disparate and contradictory conclusions. The problem is that this logic does not provide evidence as to what the first cause actually is.
So what is the First Cause? Nirvana and the laws of karma, God and its Human personality traits and a mechanistic Big Bang are all multifaceted things. Each one has multiple components and involves various assumptions and various uncaused elements. In other words, the first cause is not a simple thing.
There is a different word for the belief that a complicated self-created first-cause that has a coherent internal logic requires no first cause: atheism. Because if such a complicated thing can exist without a cause, then that first-cause could well be an atheistic Universe, complete with a few internal physical laws. If you argue that everything has a cause except for god, then, you might as well argue that everything has a cause except the universe, and admit that there is no need to theorize that God exists. So if you accept the first-cause argument then it does not prove that God exists, but instead it proves that the Universe could be without a creator at all.
1.2. The Complexity of God and the Simplicity of the Natural Laws
An uncaused God is more complicated than an uncaused Big Bang. When it comes to comparing arguments where there is no hope of actually getting any physical evidence, there is a long-standing heuristic to help distinguish between theories, called Occam's Razor: it turns out that when all evidence is accounted for, the theory with fewest assumptions is more likely to be true. God requires many properties and complexities such as consciousness, thought, personality, creative drive, love, an internal logic ordering its thoughts so that it can think coherently and rationally, memory, etc: All of these properties must have been derived from somewhere. It turns out that God is a vastly more complicated thing than the Big Bang and the fundamental laws of the Universe.
Theists and atheists both believe in some universal laws of logic and/or nature which exist as the first cause. But the theist position adds on a list of personality traits to this first cause, and, calls the result "God". Whether these additional assumptions are warranted or not is hard to prove, hence why we say that the additional assumptions under theism are based on faith. These theistic assumptions include attributes about God: it is all-powerful, omniscient, benevolent, it has memory, it has rational and ordered thoughts running along logical lines, it is emotional, it wants to be worshipped and other particular assumptions of various religions. Even if it was found that the First Cause must be a conscious god, then, it is not reasonable to assume that all those other assumptions are true too. In comparison to all that, atheists make far fewer assumptions about reality, meaning that their position is more likely to be correct
Many argue that all things must have a cause, and therefore, god exists as the 'first cause' of everything else. These people ask questions like "Who do you think created you?" and "Do you think the Universe came out of nothing... who do you think created it?". These types of questions both rely on the "everything must have a cause, therefore God exists" argument. But this argument doesn't work. Examine these points:
No particular conclusion can be drawn from the belief that "everything has a cause". The cause might be something atheistic, automatic, non-conscious, etc. If "everything has a cause, therefore God exists" is a leap of faith that rests upon assumption. Why not, instead, state that: "everything has a cause, therefore karma explains everything?". Additional assumptions are required in order to draw a conclusion from the argument that "everything has a cause".
If god-believers say that 'everything must have a cause' and state that this means that god exists, then, they have missed a part of their declaration out. Their true belief is that "everything must have a cause, apart from God". The term for God as the cause of everything is the 'first cause', so, this is the same as saying "everything must have a cause, apart from the first cause".
God isn't a simple thing; it has thoughts, motivations (to create, to love, etc), it has powers, imagination and its thoughts are themselves ordered logically and coherently so that it can plan things and think about things in a sensible way. In short, God is quite a complicated being.
These two facts combined to produce the more accurate first-cause argument:
Theists believe that everything must have a cause, apart from the complicated self-created first-cause that has a coherent internal logic.
The "everything must have a cause" part of the argument must be wrong. It is not true that everything must have a cause. In a causal world, there must always be something that has no cause.
“All causal explanations must have an arbitrary beginning”
"History of Western Philosophy"
Bertrand Russell (1946)2
Book Cover“The argument that there must exist a first cause of everything is open to serious doubt as long as we adhere to any simple notion of cause, irrespective of whether the universe is infinitely old, or had a definite beginning in time.”
"God And The New Physics"
Paul Davies (1984)3
The conclusion that "everything has a cause apart from one thing" is not only a cornerstone of atheism and theism, but also a generic scientific and religious theory. Many scientists (but not all) think that the big bang was a singularity. This means, it was not the result of an ordered physical law, but was the result of an impossible situation that no laws cover. In other words, it was uncaused. The religious theory that there is a "first cause" is found not only in monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam, but in atheist religions such as Buddhism too - eventually, everything will be returned to Nirvana and the samsaric cycle of cause-and-effect will end, but, Nirvana itself is uncaused4. All around, the reasoning that "everything has a cause, except one thing" is used to support disparate and contradictory conclusions. The problem is that this logic does not provide evidence as to what the first cause actually is.
So what is the First Cause? Nirvana and the laws of karma, God and its Human personality traits and a mechanistic Big Bang are all multifaceted things. Each one has multiple components and involves various assumptions and various uncaused elements. In other words, the first cause is not a simple thing.
There is a different word for the belief that a complicated self-created first-cause that has a coherent internal logic requires no first cause: atheism. Because if such a complicated thing can exist without a cause, then that first-cause could well be an atheistic Universe, complete with a few internal physical laws. If you argue that everything has a cause except for god, then, you might as well argue that everything has a cause except the universe, and admit that there is no need to theorize that God exists. So if you accept the first-cause argument then it does not prove that God exists, but instead it proves that the Universe could be without a creator at all.
1.2. The Complexity of God and the Simplicity of the Natural Laws
An uncaused God is more complicated than an uncaused Big Bang. When it comes to comparing arguments where there is no hope of actually getting any physical evidence, there is a long-standing heuristic to help distinguish between theories, called Occam's Razor: it turns out that when all evidence is accounted for, the theory with fewest assumptions is more likely to be true. God requires many properties and complexities such as consciousness, thought, personality, creative drive, love, an internal logic ordering its thoughts so that it can think coherently and rationally, memory, etc: All of these properties must have been derived from somewhere. It turns out that God is a vastly more complicated thing than the Big Bang and the fundamental laws of the Universe.
Theists and atheists both believe in some universal laws of logic and/or nature which exist as the first cause. But the theist position adds on a list of personality traits to this first cause, and, calls the result "God". Whether these additional assumptions are warranted or not is hard to prove, hence why we say that the additional assumptions under theism are based on faith. These theistic assumptions include attributes about God: it is all-powerful, omniscient, benevolent, it has memory, it has rational and ordered thoughts running along logical lines, it is emotional, it wants to be worshipped and other particular assumptions of various religions. Even if it was found that the First Cause must be a conscious god, then, it is not reasonable to assume that all those other assumptions are true too. In comparison to all that, atheists make far fewer assumptions about reality, meaning that their position is more likely to be correct
genedigger
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i said it before science observes with the 5 sense if you want to know god it takes much more than what you can see, taste ,hear, touch,or smell
bill cooper
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Delusional bollocks
Most children are taught that the human body has five senses: sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell. But many neurologists identify nine or more senses, and some list as many as 21.
The sense of touch is actually several "somatic" senses, including perception of pressure, heat, and pain, and there are also a variety of interoceptive senses, which analyze information that originates from within the body.
Interoceptive senses include balance (the sense of the body's alignment), the organic sense (the sense of internal condition, such as hunger or thirst), and proprioception (the brain's knowledge of relative positions of body parts).
Proprioception is the sense that is actually tested by walk-the-line or finger-to-nose sobriety tests.
Loss of proprioception, a rare disorder, can cause lack of coordination, and eventual complete lack of awareness of the body. It causes a disembodied feeling, as if the mind and body had separated.
The sense of touch is actually several "somatic" senses, including perception of pressure, heat, and pain, and there are also a variety of interoceptive senses, which analyze information that originates from within the body.
Interoceptive senses include balance (the sense of the body's alignment), the organic sense (the sense of internal condition, such as hunger or thirst), and proprioception (the brain's knowledge of relative positions of body parts).
Proprioception is the sense that is actually tested by walk-the-line or finger-to-nose sobriety tests.
Loss of proprioception, a rare disorder, can cause lack of coordination, and eventual complete lack of awareness of the body. It causes a disembodied feeling, as if the mind and body had separated.
Lol it is so funny. You know what is delusion is? Saying something is not a possibility with out being able to disprove it.
I really dont have the time nor the will to go through it with you all . given the bad aditude thats usally a company most atheist. Although there is lots of hate in RELIGIOUS folks
So with that being said keel on with your agenda of swaying people from God.
Good luck in your life. And non existence. Seems that has made you such a good person with such a positive outlook .that your happiness just resonates through my screen.
Maby look at the bible in a philosophical sense .remember those people did nit think and have the things we do. Idk figure it out or don't. Its on you
For those of us who believe keep the light and maintain. Much love to you all . including the haters. Evrybody got to have haters.
Lol
I really dont have the time nor the will to go through it with you all . given the bad aditude thats usally a company most atheist. Although there is lots of hate in RELIGIOUS folks
So with that being said keel on with your agenda of swaying people from God.
Good luck in your life. And non existence. Seems that has made you such a good person with such a positive outlook .that your happiness just resonates through my screen.
Maby look at the bible in a philosophical sense .remember those people did nit think and have the things we do. Idk figure it out or don't. Its on you
For those of us who believe keep the light and maintain. Much love to you all . including the haters. Evrybody got to have haters.
Lol
Honestly the odds of there being a god is like winning the loto 1 in 14 million which is pretty bad odds hahaha...
So when you really break it down its would look like this
Those odds are so long that you are more likely to:
Be killed in a terrorist attack while travelling (1 in 650,000).
Die — during an average lifetime — of flesh-eating disease (1 in one million).
Be killed by lightning (1 in 56,439).
You are three times more likely to be killed in a traffic accident driving 16 kilometres
then Ever meeting a GOD
In 2002, you were about 10 times more likely to die after being bitten by a poisonous snake or lizard than to win a Lotto Odds for the snakebite death are one in 1,241,661, according to the U.S. National Safety Council.
Want to increase your chances? Buy 50 tickets a week. You are very likely to win the jackpot at least your likely to win in the next 5000 years would this mean if there was a GOD you better pray or go to church 100 times a week hell might as well move into a church if it would better the odds
How many priests do you know or herd of that god talk to last week or even in the last 2000 years ?? any ??
So when you look at it this way pretty easy to say fuck him i would least i can live my life how i see fit ,,
Rather then live by some fairy tale book and beliefs and not one shred of evidence any of it is true ....
Yup live my life how it is suppose to be cause you only have one life and again no priest or religion is going to deny me that or tell me what i need to do or not do
Say you're standing on a football field. You're blindfolded and holding a pin. A friend has released an ant on the field. Your chance of piercing that ant with your pin is about the same as winning a Lotto . One in 14 million. Not exactly a sure bet. So saying there is a GOD the odds are even worse
So when you really break it down its would look like this
Those odds are so long that you are more likely to:
Be killed in a terrorist attack while travelling (1 in 650,000).
Die — during an average lifetime — of flesh-eating disease (1 in one million).
Be killed by lightning (1 in 56,439).
You are three times more likely to be killed in a traffic accident driving 16 kilometres
then Ever meeting a GOD
In 2002, you were about 10 times more likely to die after being bitten by a poisonous snake or lizard than to win a Lotto Odds for the snakebite death are one in 1,241,661, according to the U.S. National Safety Council.
Want to increase your chances? Buy 50 tickets a week. You are very likely to win the jackpot at least your likely to win in the next 5000 years would this mean if there was a GOD you better pray or go to church 100 times a week hell might as well move into a church if it would better the odds
How many priests do you know or herd of that god talk to last week or even in the last 2000 years ?? any ??
So when you look at it this way pretty easy to say fuck him i would least i can live my life how i see fit ,,
Rather then live by some fairy tale book and beliefs and not one shred of evidence any of it is true ....
Yup live my life how it is suppose to be cause you only have one life and again no priest or religion is going to deny me that or tell me what i need to do or not do
Say you're standing on a football field. You're blindfolded and holding a pin. A friend has released an ant on the field. Your chance of piercing that ant with your pin is about the same as winning a Lotto . One in 14 million. Not exactly a sure bet. So saying there is a GOD the odds are even worse
If you only knew what you were.
We live inside of the creation, but we are the creators.
genedigger
Member
the odds are just as high for evolution and most scientists agree on that.if you read the genesis creation story the sequence of events that is called creation is the same as for evoltion.if you ask me evolutionists stoled the sequence of events from the creation theory.in both water is the first magor thing needed for life.in the genesis acount god makes water on earth before life.the rest of the sequence is the same for both.read it for yourself
Gene don't you worry about your so called god lol this is the real god and its about to unleash its fury in YEMEN and who ever does not bow to it
just think that this GOD has more destructive force then any other GOD known to man kind
just think that this GOD has more destructive force then any other GOD known to man kind
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