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No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
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depends. if you are talking the written bible as understood by Christians, then no, nothing about it.
but if you are talking about what is termed as 'the living Torah' which is the so-called "old testament" plus the Talmud within Jewish Tradition, then yes; in fact, most of it is about epistemology and hermeneutics...
btw, were you aware that in the Talmud, the Earth is explained as being round suspended over nothingness? and that "scientists" before Galileo would make fun of Jews for having that belief?
now that's funny.
peace
I don't know, maybe.
I have a lot of respect for science though, real science that is; empirical science; which has helped us a lot in terms of understanding our bodies and brains and nature with proper empirical knowledge; zero problems with that real science...but when we start with the whole grand proclamations about evolution and how the universe started, then they loose my attention.
but even real empirical science is disregarded today, look how cannabis is still being treated even though scientifically we know it should not be treated like it is, same goes with many hallucinogenics; people are obtuse, who knows why...
peace
The POV I share is based on real life observation.
I don't answer questions on belief because I don't dismiss the reality I experience because of my interpretation of them.
In all reality, I am a deist/buddhist based on the observational criteria necessary for me to believe in most anything.
Our brains are wired to believe and it is a necessary part of our psychological development. Children need to believe their parents take on reality until they are old enough to interpret it correctly on their own. This is the part that gets everyone's panties tight, because this development is like phenotype development in plants.
G+E=P
fwiw we are all genetically the same G
I also believe, as I stated earlier, that religion is born in part, from the psychedelic experience, regardless of vehicle (lsd, yoga, meditation, internal biological difference, etc).
Not because Terrence, or Leary said it, but because I have had, not one, but many, many "religious" experiences on psychedelics.
At this point it has become fairly common that people I open my third eye with, share the same experience as well. So much of what I know comes from from psychedelics and internal journeys. Not from reading or study.
Contemplation and observation, contemplation and observation.
FWIW Sativas have been a very important component in that equation.
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Consciousness is a powerful force in the Universe and it's not included into the science of explaining reality.
Belief is a powerful force in human beings and it's not being taken into consideration by science.
Belief is used to heal diseases, it is used by athletes to conquer new ground and reach the highest peaks of physical capability.
Imagination is another one being overlooked by science.
Until we, as a civilization at least attempt to understand those forces, we're far from understanding the nature of the Universe, the nature of reality
Belief is a powerful force in human beings and it's not being taken into consideration by science.
Belief is used to heal diseases, it is used by athletes to conquer new ground and reach the highest peaks of physical capability.
Imagination is another one being overlooked by science.
Until we, as a civilization at least attempt to understand those forces, we're far from understanding the nature of the Universe, the nature of reality
I don't think it is being overlooked. I think that it is being actualized, but just recently with the help of newer science like brain scans.
Many sciences need to be threaded together to explain the process and its relativity to us, both here and now and as an evolutionary/adaptive measure.
Also belief has place in our development, we don't fall out of the womb fully developed.
Part of our evolutionary (divine) design is that we develop parallel to the current world unlike alligators that are relatively static in their evolutionary being.
I don't think feeding them mushrooms or ergot will give make them chimps any time soon. It didn't happen in millennium past.
Many sciences need to be threaded together to explain the process and its relativity to us, both here and now and as an evolutionary/adaptive measure.
Also belief has place in our development, we don't fall out of the womb fully developed.
Part of our evolutionary (divine) design is that we develop parallel to the current world unlike alligators that are relatively static in their evolutionary being.
I don't think feeding them mushrooms or ergot will give make them chimps any time soon. It didn't happen in millennium past.
take a look at mr. brunch here.. "read some on pissed'emall, seemed like twaddle, said balls to it"
we could say, mr. brunch wants to remain wilfully ignorant, but honestly, "just pulling a wild guess out of my ass", i figure it's the author who wants mr. brunch to remain ignorant. academics are like that... someone gets paid big ass $ to be academics and give official reports on shit. that's perception management.
i mean fuck... the simple concept of "you can't know shit because the mechanisms of knowledge are all part of the self" is the most basic fucking obvious thing in the universe.. in logic, it's called the reflexive property.... A = A.. your sensory impressions are your sensory impressions.. any fucking nine year old, even retarded educated american nine year olds, can grasp the idea of questioning sensory information.
.... yet some author has alienated this from mr. brunch and other readers, so that they are essentially incapable of apprehending concepts qualified with cultural or academic language.. or at least, highly disinterested...
like "the matrix? i know that shit, questioning the basic knowledge, we can talk about that" but epistemology? "i can't talk about that.."
in the west, knowledge, and the desire to shop, must be certain..... the individual is deauthorised in an objective universe.
the reason why i do not like to use the matrix to discuss buddhism is because the matrix is hollywood, and "karate chop that motherfucker" pro active, engaging shit, is not the way to assess illusion. fighting something that doesn't exist doesn't help you not believe in it.
I love this talk about academia. My brother for example, valedictorian, perfect SAT and scholarship to Ivy league. The average diploma on that side of the family is PHd (11 unless I am forgetting any). Much like my client/friend who is a CPA/Lawyer, we had a fine laugh when we first met and he told me his credentials, and I commented sarcastically "so your good on tests"
A mind that excels at the paradigm of academia is nothing more if that mind can't explain what it knows outside the context of how it is taught.
Many people are book smart with little capacity understand the concepts so succinctly they can translate them to neophyte and expert alike.
Not everyone evaluates their own thought processes, which is the first baby step in developing one's humanity.
A mind that excels at the paradigm of academia is nothing more if that mind can't explain what it knows outside the context of how it is taught.
Many people are book smart with little capacity understand the concepts so succinctly they can translate them to neophyte and expert alike.
Not everyone evaluates their own thought processes, which is the first baby step in developing one's humanity.
using your report of the material as a rhetorical example.... not knocking you.
the value of epistemology is perhaps something... best not expressed in words
eg. buddhism describes this quintessential, fundamental .. continual awareness that everythnig you are experiencing is not necessarily validated as ultimate authenticity, may be a mediocre perception or understanding, or deception, or.. some shit is up.. you know.. presented as is.. the universe is a pretty dodgy fucken deal...
(if you even question it i bet some weird shit will happen to you that will redefine your conception)
..why is this important?
when one is habituated to uncertainty instead of certainty (read that slowly, again, three times )
when one is habituated to uncertainty instead of certainty..
well.. one would be less apt to falling for deception, making mistakes based on assumptions.. obvious stuff...
which sounds all well and good...
does this have a practical application?
well.. i'll tell you.. (understatement time) there are thnigs that conventionally are considered unfactual that are indeed truth. i don't want to debate the particulars.. and we know that our society changes it's opinions of things over time.... but, perhaps if this subtle change is made, over time, there are changes, maybe even changes in the nature of perception.
the value of epistemology is perhaps something... best not expressed in words
eg. buddhism describes this quintessential, fundamental .. continual awareness that everythnig you are experiencing is not necessarily validated as ultimate authenticity, may be a mediocre perception or understanding, or deception, or.. some shit is up.. you know.. presented as is.. the universe is a pretty dodgy fucken deal...
(if you even question it i bet some weird shit will happen to you that will redefine your conception)
..why is this important?
when one is habituated to uncertainty instead of certainty (read that slowly, again, three times
)when one is habituated to uncertainty instead of certainty..
well.. one would be less apt to falling for deception, making mistakes based on assumptions.. obvious stuff...
which sounds all well and good...
does this have a practical application?
well.. i'll tell you.. (understatement time) there are thnigs that conventionally are considered unfactual that are indeed truth. i don't want to debate the particulars.. and we know that our society changes it's opinions of things over time.... but, perhaps if this subtle change is made, over time, there are changes, maybe even changes in the nature of perception.
a parallel concept is about "thinking in words"
w.s. burroughs had this bit on it, and said his technique for accustomising to not thinknig in words was walking in the forest, which is good because your senses are engaged, and so are your thoughts, about eg. where to put your feet, you can observe your mind "doing things, but not using words".
it's like, a lot of civilised people are very used to thinking in words, wouldn't you say. maybe at least for the middle portion of their lives when they need to be doing lots of civilised shit.
what if some energy or presence actuated on your mind that didn't actuate your verbal, textual functions... would you notice it if you were immersed in such thnigs... maybe, less so... attention is precious. maybe the most valuable "thing".
it's kind of a thought expander, to be uncertain (haha like the step to calculus/statistics from geometry) instead of certain in generality. or maybe.. consciousness expander... what is consciousness.. what is thought...
we may never find out.. if we never experiment with more than what we believe it to be../words.. so, the way to find out is to cease being certain.
say you have your model of consciousness. a linear model. for bullshit. at one end, is your ego, at the other end is cosmic god awareness. how are you going to move along that line? by moving away from the ego end.. moving away from definition.
w.s. burroughs had this bit on it, and said his technique for accustomising to not thinknig in words was walking in the forest, which is good because your senses are engaged, and so are your thoughts, about eg. where to put your feet, you can observe your mind "doing things, but not using words".
it's like, a lot of civilised people are very used to thinking in words, wouldn't you say. maybe at least for the middle portion of their lives when they need to be doing lots of civilised shit.
what if some energy or presence actuated on your mind that didn't actuate your verbal, textual functions... would you notice it if you were immersed in such thnigs... maybe, less so... attention is precious. maybe the most valuable "thing".
it's kind of a thought expander, to be uncertain (haha like the step to calculus/statistics from geometry) instead of certain in generality. or maybe.. consciousness expander... what is consciousness.. what is thought...
we may never find out.. if we never experiment with more than what we believe it to be../words.. so, the way to find out is to cease being certain.
say you have your model of consciousness. a linear model. for bullshit. at one end, is your ego, at the other end is cosmic god awareness. how are you going to move along that line? by moving away from the ego end.. moving away from definition.
You're talking "shit" again, as usual.
I think in the end we have the same human experience yet the differential in our "filters" and particular time and space place bias the perception.
In the sake of differential in filters, it is not a simple comparison, we don't all have the same senses, capacities or wherewithal, but we are created by the same DNA in terms homo sapien so it is often easy to get frustrated.
Does a blind man need the sense of sight to understand the concept of light or color?
Is his different way of sensing the world invalid? or does it perhaps add value through the enhancement of other senses?
My wife has stellar academic skills, excels at her job, highly intelligent and yet has no sense of direction what so ever.
Do you know how fucking frustrating it is? I used to angry thinking she is playing dumb, but eventually I learned that we don't all have the same capacity in the same way we "filter" information, the way our senses work and our brain interprets it.
In the sake of differential in filters, it is not a simple comparison, we don't all have the same senses, capacities or wherewithal, but we are created by the same DNA in terms homo sapien so it is often easy to get frustrated.
Does a blind man need the sense of sight to understand the concept of light or color?
Is his different way of sensing the world invalid? or does it perhaps add value through the enhancement of other senses?
My wife has stellar academic skills, excels at her job, highly intelligent and yet has no sense of direction what so ever.
Do you know how fucking frustrating it is? I used to angry thinking she is playing dumb, but eventually I learned that we don't all have the same capacity in the same way we "filter" information, the way our senses work and our brain interprets it.
Throw some quantum mechanics in the mix, fire off some particles, add and subtract an observer and it seems like everything goes out the window.
Owe your wife sure does have some stellar skills trust me
lol says the dude who can't hook up in real life and goes to the tokers den for advice
http://www.ted.com/talks/dave_meslin_the_antidote_to_apathy?language=en
Antidote to apathy, excellent talk about apathy and why people have such a hard time connecting. It mentions nothing of religion. Short, simple and very poignant.
It really highlights the effect of desire on result
Antidote to apathy, excellent talk about apathy and why people have such a hard time connecting. It mentions nothing of religion. Short, simple and very poignant.
It really highlights the effect of desire on result
I don't get what your saying who can't hook up in real life, Anyways cut her some slack, everyone has flaws look at you for instance all this education you say you have >>>????
And probably paid on the tax payors dime, cause you probably had no balls to get out there in work .. so you rode the train on others peoples dime
You kind remind me of,,, every time i drive by university and see a 40 - 50 year old still going to school .. To me thats a fucking waste they should line them people up and you know .... cause them clowns really are not doing any good but bringing up the costs to the TAX payor
But for you ,,,, you never used it hahaha in some people's eyes you are a waste of skin
So now your a expert of marijuana growing, a nerd dope head lost in space no wonder you fired up this thread hahaha .
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