No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning

[mr.brunch]

Of course, we may all still just be micro organisms living on the surface of our electron-earth, spinning round our nucleus-sun, in a strand of amino acid , inside a protein , in the leg tissue of a spider mite who is happily chewing away on a huge cannabis leaf somewhere- blissfully unaware of our existence ..... Who knows.

 

[redlaser]

Great points hippy on personal interpretations and selection of parts of the bible for instance as fact. I believe most who believe are similar in some degree. I'm not arguing for or against religion, but a lot of the bible speaks in absolutes, so when that's not adhered to it seems like the new "hybrid" belief/beliefs have a seperate identity from the original. I guess just a fancy way of saying hardcore believers wouldn't recognize deviation at all. I believe in personal choice but doesn't the bible require everything to be followed and believed as written? My Bible knowledge is limited.

 

[waveguide]

i'll give you a hint: say it slowly. buy, bull.

buy bull.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Great points hippy on personal interpretations and selection of parts of the bible for instance as fact. I believe most who believe are similar in some degree. I'm not arguing for or against religion, but a lot of the bible speaks in absolutes, so when that's not adhered to it seems like the new "hybrid" belief/beliefs have a seperate identity from the original. I guess just a fancy way of saying hardcore believers wouldn't recognize deviation at all. I believe in personal choice but doesn't the bible require everything to be followed and believed as written? My Bible knowledge is limited.

the Bible does not require that (at least, I aint read that), although some adherents demand it or "you're going to hell!" personally, I don't think God keeps track of how many Sundays you show up at your stained-glass decorated brick building like some of his "true believers" do. if God doesn't have a sense of humor, I figure I'm going to hell regardless of my attendance figures... if you are a good person & help your fellow man, I think you are OK. if you are a fucking prick that shows up at church every Sunday & tithes what they expect...well, you are just a prick with a lighter wallet.

 

[mr.brunch]

You must spread some reputation around.....etc....

Nice post armed, well said

 

[Weird]

much of the bible and buddhism (and other religions as well) simple and tangible interpretations are hidden because they exploit human nature

the fact that human nature responds in kind, adds validity to their observations regarding human nature if nothing else but at the end of the day that is what is all about

religion is an expression of humanity for humanities sake, which is why when you remove the labels it becomes hard to argue from any point of view

 

[Weird]

if you have any understanding of the recreation of reality in terms virtual, artificial intelligence, virtual reality, etc all it becomes very difficult to believe there isn't an underlying architecture to the universe

sounds awefully hermetic and sure other things as well

 

[Weird]

Great points hippy on personal interpretations and selection of parts of the bible for instance as fact. I believe most who believe are similar in some degree. I'm not arguing for or against religion, but a lot of the bible speaks in absolutes, so when that's not adhered to it seems like the new "hybrid" belief/beliefs have a seperate identity from the original. I guess just a fancy way of saying hardcore believers wouldn't recognize deviation at all. I believe in personal choice but doesn't the bible require everything to be followed and believed as written? My Bible knowledge is limited.

I posted early a study where they identify the brain region that houses belief and how in some people that area can be abnormally active

thus fanatical belief in all flavors

it is often the proofs people use to refute religion that I find highlight the argument for its relative appropriateness if nothing else, from anthropological terms at least

 

[Wö£fëñxXx]

Being obedient does not mean you don't have free will. You choose to obey because you want to please your God.

Amen

Edit: He is already pleased with us, all of us, that is why we don't see fire and brimstone falling from heaven in this new testament/covenant times. Christ satisfied Gods wrath by taking on the sins of the world. It isn't sin that will send someone to hell, it is the rejection of Christ and the price He paid at the cross for each one of us.

When God created us he had to make us either weak to temptation or strong. Eve tempted Adam with virtually no effort. Surely God could have made it necessary for someone to do more then simply eat some first and then hand it to Adam to try?

He made us in His image and likeness., Adam had the power of choice and made the wrong one, after already being told not to eat of it, he sat right there and listened to that snake rapping lies to his fine naked little lady, (it says he was there with her) that was disobedience. Adam should have been all up in that snakes face, I would've, you know you would have as well... lol
He gave Adam the power and authority to rule the earth, to have dominion over the fish, birds, beasts-snakes, the plants and all the earth and Adam that dimwit gave that power and authority to Satan in that act of disobedience.
The earth became wicked, then the flood.
After the flood around 3000BC it start again with Noah's sons, one got the blessing another got a curse. Two different paths, Satan had his door way in again.
Around 2900-2800BC you had the Assyrians and ancient Egyptians to spring up. You can tell by the crests that the serpent was at it again, a few different crests actually relating to the snake/falcon/beast/bull/goat and more giants, the snake is influential, then the pyramids start springing up an ocean away with a lot of similarity. Blood sacrifice and weird rituals.
Along with the Assyrians and Egyptians we had the Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans etc, notice none of them are around any more? God has a way of knocking these things down.
In the midst of that God told Abraham-Noahs-grand-son, to pack up and leave his fathers house, they were a rough bunch, in a demon inspired area, and go to a land He would show him, for the blood line of Jesus and that land is now Israel. Which is why He called them His chosen people, Satan had everything else. Satan told Jesus while He was in the wilderness to be tested that if He would bow down to him he would give Him all the kingdoms of the world because they were his to give, Jesus just said "It Is Written"
I hope I'm helping you connect some dots, It sure helped me to learn our true history.
I could go on all night, I love this stuff.

I may seem like I'm anti Christian by challenging the bible. I'm not I'm willing to believe that something we call God created a living son to go among the people and lead the way. That said son would be known as what we now call Christ. People were getting Christ wrong a lot though. One of the big things is documented in the Bible ironically. That being when Christ talked of destroying the temple and raising it in 3 days. Many thought he was talking about the actual temple that man built rather then the unique temple he represented and that we all represent which God built. There are other places where when asked of how we should live our lives he referred to our bodies as temples. So therefore I believe what you need to do is have your own personal relationship with God as you see him/her to be. Gathering with others who share your views and beliefs is fine and dandy but these places should be just that, not some agency telling you how you must behave. How can one be said to have free will, choice when he's either damned to Hell or exalted into Heaven depending on which choice he makes?

Thank God Christ brought us grace and freedom from the bondage of Satan by taking the keys of death and hell from him. Hell was not made for man, but for the adversary and his minions, but if men "choose" to follow him they get his consequence as well. The price He paid for our freedom was to high of a price.

Bottom line is this in my perspective.

It isn't religion but relationship.

Christians are suppose to represent the Kingdom of Heaven on earth.
Jesus said "Repent for the kingdom of heaven has returned to earth. Matt 4:17
So heaven is a real place somewhere else, not here, earth is a colony of heaven.

Being a good man and raising a righteous family with righteous children-grand children. I mentioned in an earlier thread that I go to church every Sunday and I do, but I do it out of obedience and for my family & community, my community is my family as well, to be an example, a positive influence, regardless of what someone else says or does. I raised my children this way, too.
We are family/community if there is a need we find a way to meet it, we have a lot of really nice folk, got one lady has Desmoid tumor/cancer, she's got a lovely family, great husband, he's a firefighter, a beautiful child, we are there for them anyway we can help, Had an elderly lady needed a handicap ramp built so we make it happen, and the list goes on.
Christ said if you've seen me, you've seen the father.
Love one another, and do good.
We see a lot of hate in the world, that is not God but the god of this world.

Ephesians 6:12
For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

God basically told Satan I will whip you with a man. I'll show you.

That is kind of the whole God Satan thing in a nutshell.

I like science, always have but science is just looking for knowledge where ever it may lead, even if you're looking for the wrong thing in the wrong place. There is tons of answers in other places as well.
God bless all of you guys even the non believers, maybe take a second look with an open heart.
Many folk are scared, some hurt, some are don't care, and some are running. ha
Been there, done that.

Apologies for the wall of text.

Love one another.

 

[redlaser]

I posted early a study where they identify the brain region that houses belief and how in some people that area can be abnormally active

thus fanatical belief in all flavors

it is often the proofs people use to refute religion that I find highlight the argument for its relative appropriateness if nothing else, from anthropological terms at least

For me it just seems like if your not a mostly a 90% believer your not going to heaven, which it seems like is the real reason most follow. Unless there is just endless forgiveness which seems to be counterproductive. It just seems like an unwritten contract between an individual and the church and if its got no teeth it seems kind of odd.

 

[RetroGrow]

You are certainly not anti Christian by questioning the bible... We are all allowed to question whatever we like.
When people tell me of their Christian beliefs and question my non belief, I don't call them " anti athiest " and I don't tell them they are attacking me, either.....

Maybe I should take others beliefs as a personal slight on what I think.... Plenty of others seem to think this way. We all have the right, if not duty , to question everything- this is how we will move on as a species

Just be careful where and when you express those beliefs. Remember, "believers" have permission from their gods to kill you on the spot if you don't agree with them. See Islam today. See Christianity in it's heyday, during the inquisition or the Crusades. Religious people hate atheists, and they will not hesitate to kill you for it. This is history, past and, amazingly, present. This world will be a much better place when these mythologies/superstitions/witchcraft/voodoo are all relegated to the dustbin of history.
Last week, in Iran, a woman burned her quran in protest. The crowd beat her to death on the spot, and continued to desecrate her body long after her lights went out. This is behavior worse than the widest of animals. A lion kills it's prey because it has to. It doesn't continue to flay the body in hatred afterwards. Only believers do that, and only believers come up with unimaginable tortures, like burning witches (non-believes) at the stake. Even family members will turn on you if you question their imaginary "lord".
It's a jungle out there, so be careful....
Don't wear an atheist/agnostic/anti-theist T-shirt. It could get you killed.....which gives me a business idea....atheism on the front, and a bulls-eye on the back?

 

[Weird]

For me it just seems like if your not a mostly a 90% believer your not going to heaven, which it seems like is the real reason most follow. Unless there is just endless forgiveness which seems to be counterproductive. It just seems like an unwritten contract between an individual and the church and if its got no teeth it seems kind of odd.

it isn't meant to be interpreted that way, it is a "designed" entanglement, a snare for the non believer

the ultimate reality according to the bible is this (don't shoot the messenger I didn't write it)

we are the children of god who so desires to reconcile gracefully with us that he would prove perfection in human form and sacrifice it

perfect human form not in physical being but in his conscious being, in his love for his fellow man

there is no way you can break the love God has for us, the true meaning of God is that we are born in a world where at any moment we can choose to live with an unconditional love, we can be christ because it is one of our potentials

the only way this potential is expressed or diminished, is whether we choose to recognize it or not, and the only time we have this capacity is while we are alive

thus emanuel the living god

The best the devil will ever do is delude you into thinking that this relationship does not exist

the only one who can separate you from God is yourself, as in god is defined as our consciousness aka in his image and we can choose to embrace it or not

the devil is the part of our being that is still rooted in instinct and carnal narcissism such as materialism

thus statements like it would be easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than a rich man to find god

Christ wasn't condemning the rich he was illustrating the effect greed has from understanding unconditional love in terms of humanity, they are very counter intuitive at times

but the same thing happens internally in us because of our sympathetic and para sympathetic nervous systems, we are born into an instinctive body and mind developmentally and learn to embrace our consciousness over time

this is why christ liked faith to a mustard seed, because we are to use christ as a compass for our morality and try to learn to conform to using it (aka our developing consciousness) as our guide

you cant understand the mysteries unless you believe and take the journey in some way shape or form

it does not need include god or concepts that are that far out

basing it all on humanity and consciousness is a fine way to reverse engineer it all, and a quick way to see divinity for what it really is

 

[ezak420]

hell- suffer
heaven- celebrate

source of eternal energy; infinite potential

 

[Weird]

Just be careful where and when you express those beliefs. Remember, "believers" have permission from their gods to kill you on the spot if you don't agree with them. See Islam today. See Christianity in it's heyday, during the inquisition or the Crusades. Religious people hate atheists, and they will not hesitate to kill you for it. This is history, past and, amazingly, present. This world will be a much better place when these mythologies/superstitions/witchcraft/voodoo are all relegated to the dustbin of history.
Last week, in Iran, a woman burned her quran in protest. The crowd beat her to death on the spot, and continued to desecrate her body long after her lights went out. This is behavior worse than the widest of animals. A lion kills it's prey because it has to. It doesn't continue to flay the body in hatred afterwards. Only believers do that, and only believers come up with unimaginable tortures, like burning witches (non-believes) at the stake. Even family members will turn on you if you question their imaginary "lord".
It's a jungle out there, so be careful....
Don't wear an atheist/agnostic/anti-theist T-shirt. It could get you killed.....which gives me a business idea....atheism on the front, and a bulls-eye on the back?

aww look baby is still has colic, maybe dr fever should come by and take baby's temperature with his magic scientific rectal thermometer and see if he has a fever

i wouldn't be surprised if you both didn't find god that way

 

[Weird]

sorry in advance

 

[RetroGrow]

You will burn in eternal hellfire for that.
Eternity.
That's physics.
You won't be consumed, because in hell, the laws of physics don't apply. You will burn eternally without being consumed. Makes burning at the stake seem merciful.

 

[Weird]

I didn't take it as far as permanent residency, but if that makes you happy, who am I to judge.

 

[Siever]

After the flood around 3000BC it start again with Noah's sons, one got the blessing another got a curse. Two different paths, Satan had his door way in again.
Along with the Assyrians and Egyptians we had the Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans etc, notice none of them are around any more? God has a way of knocking these things down.

Apologies for the wall of text.

Love one another.

First of all the flood was around 10000 BC, at the end of the last ice age.
Second Rome still exist. B.T.W. at the end the Romans were Christians (why do you think the pope resides in Rome?) and they were brought to an end by the pagan Germanic tribes, the white people from north Europe so to speak.
Now you tell me if god has a way to knock things down, why did he knock the christians down in favor of the northern pagans? Do you realise that after the fall of Rome these pagans became the most succesfull , or at least one of the most succesfull, civilisation(s) on the planet 'till today?
Instead of apologising for the wall of text, you should apologise for the nonsense you ALWAYS post.

Siever

 

[Wö£fëñxXx]

That was reference to the kingdoms, empires, not the people or the pope.

 

[Siever]

blah blah blah
can you name 1, just 1 empire, state, kingdom etc. that has always been there and will always exist? It happens to christian states as well. Are those states also knocked down by god as well? Does god punishes his own disciples? If so, it might be better not to believe in god. I bet you live in the bible belt!

Siever