Yeah striking two flint rocks over some dry grass will get you fire. That's some real genius thinking there Einstein Jr.. Fucking cave man figured that out thousands of years ago. Evolution in full swing there.
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Yeah striking two flint rocks over some dry grass will get you fire. That's some real genius thinking there Einstein Jr.. Fucking cave man figured that out thousands of years ago. Evolution in full swing there.
people make careers out of this bullshit. claims to proof of god...or claims to proof of no god
...religion/no religion was covered. politics next? come on...you know you'd love to dive into that murk. so close to it now
...religion/no religion was covered. politics next? come on...you know you'd love to dive into that murk. so close to it now
The only one living in the land of the delusion is you.
For example:
I posted the studies and statistics that show humanity is at the most peaceful times in existence. Yet you still manufacture vitriol without the capacity to back it up with fact.
I also posted the statistics regarding religion as a catalysts for conflict, which once again paints a completely different picture. Do you counter it with any logical retort? No, once again you regurgitate the same commentary that you can't backup with statistics.
Then you claim you use controlled media as a basis for the basis of scientific studies.
How are you any less deluded as the people you claim believe in things they can't back up with science.
Try chewing on some reality
American gang violence accounts for far more American deaths than terrorism and war combined.
http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/About/FAQ#q5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror
9,655 since 2001 and versus an average of 2000 plus gang member homicides a year in teh same time period (that is about 30k if you need help with the math)
Now take a look at the Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) per country.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5
Israel averages 2 per 100k, the USA 5 per 100k Iraq 7 per 100k.
Look at the rates in religiously extreme countries, like Iraq. They are low.
The countries with insanely high murder rates ( 20 + per 100k) , aren't religious countries but third country ones that have been politically corrupted and exploited by 1st world powers.
We don't hear about them in the news or the atrocities they suffer. This is about power and poverty, always has been.
The American military complex makes a ton of money on the war on terror, and it keeps Israel very safe and empowered.
Keep believing what the media sells you and keep fighting tooth and nail to promote the fabrication in your mind you claim is truth
Or maybe google something first and come up with some data to back up your arguments.
What kind of person lets media and the government do their thinking for them?
Cognitive and neural foundations of religious belief
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/12/4876.full
Abstract
We propose an integrative cognitive neuroscience framework for understanding the cognitive and neural foundations of religious belief. Our analysis reveals 3 psychological dimensions of religious belief (God's perceived level of involvement, God's perceived emotion, and doctrinal/experiential religious knowledge), which functional MRI localizes within networks processing Theory of Mind regarding intent and emotion, abstract semantics, and imagery. Our results are unique in demonstrating that specific components of religious belief are mediated by well-known brain networks, and support contemporary psychological theories that ground religious belief within evolutionary adaptive cognitive functions.
Religious belief and behavior are a hallmark of human life, with no accepted animal equivalent, and found in all cultures (1). The biological basis of religion, though, is fiercely debated in fields as diverse as evolutionary psychology, anthropology, genetics, and cosmology. Contemporary psychological theories consider religious belief and behavior as complex brain-based phenomena that may have co-emerged in our species with novel cognitive processes for social cognition, such as Theory of Mind (ToM), and successfully engaged fundamental cognitive mechanisms, such as memory (2–4).
Remarkably little is currently known about the neural foundations of religiosity. Cognitive neuroscience studies have so far focused on the neural correlates of unusual and extraordinary religious experiences (5, 6), whereas clinical studies have focused on pathological religious manifestations. Hyperreligiosity in patients with temporal-lobe epilepsy motivated early theories linking religiosity with limbic and temporal areas (7, 8), executive aspects and prosocial roles of religion (9) shifted the focus to the frontal lobes (10), while decreased parietal lobe activity was linked to mystical religious experiences (5). Overall, these findings show a low degree of correspondence and no relationship to any proposed psychological architecture underlying religious belief.
The aim and motivation of our research was to define the psychological structure of religious belief, based on fundamental cognitive processes, and to reveal the corresponding pattern of brain activation to determine the relevance of evolutionary theories of cognitive development to the development of religious beliefs. To this end, it was necessary to model the complexity of religious belief.
Factor analytic studies have demonstrated that an underlying psychological structure can be described for religious belief and have established the perceptions of God's level of involvement and God's level of anger as key organizing components (11). Processing these components presupposes intent-related and emotional ToM being applied to supernatural agents, a fact that links fundamental aspects of social cognition to religious belief. Besides these components, any belief system relies on a body of semantic and event knowledge. One source of semantic knowledge for religious belief is doctrine, a body of concepts regarding supernatural agents and entities, which believers accept as real despite not being verified by personal experience. Aspects of doctrine may be rooted in intuitive world-theory creation inherent in all humans, such as belief in the existence of nonmaterial agents (1), but for the most part doctrine has abstract linguistic content, is specific to the various institutionalized religions, and is culturally transmitted (3). Another source of religious knowledge is event knowledge stemming from personal experiences explicitly religious (such as prayer or participation in ritual), but also from multiple social and moral events influenced by religion (3). In this view, religious knowledge forms a continuum from doctrinal to experiential, and most beliefs draw from both sources. Moreover, adoption and implementation of religious beliefs is influenced by emotions and goals. For example, a set of doctrinal beliefs about the soul may lead through logical reasoning to a moral rule regarding euthanasia, but an applied moral stance would also draw from experience and take the particular circumstances and their emotional significance into account.
Based on the above psychological structure, we hypothesized that religious belief relates to specific patterns of brain activation. First, we hypothesized that the 2 previously identified components (God's involvement and God's anger) (11) engage ToM-related prefrontal and posterior regions. Second, we hypothesized that the proposed continuum of religious knowledge differentially engages associative processes: doctrinal knowledge engages networks processing abstract semantics (3), whereas experiential knowledge engages networks involved in memory retrieval and imagery (3). Third, we predicted that adoption of religious belief engages networks providing cognitive-emotional interface.
We conducted a multidimensional scaling (MDS) study to determine the psychological components underlying religious belief (Experiment 1) and evaluated their neural foundations by employing a parallel functional neuroimaging study (Experiment 2).
There is much more contained in the article itself. Don't be afraid of the rabbit hole
http://www.pnas.org/content/106/12/4876.full
Abstract
We propose an integrative cognitive neuroscience framework for understanding the cognitive and neural foundations of religious belief. Our analysis reveals 3 psychological dimensions of religious belief (God's perceived level of involvement, God's perceived emotion, and doctrinal/experiential religious knowledge), which functional MRI localizes within networks processing Theory of Mind regarding intent and emotion, abstract semantics, and imagery. Our results are unique in demonstrating that specific components of religious belief are mediated by well-known brain networks, and support contemporary psychological theories that ground religious belief within evolutionary adaptive cognitive functions.
Religious belief and behavior are a hallmark of human life, with no accepted animal equivalent, and found in all cultures (1). The biological basis of religion, though, is fiercely debated in fields as diverse as evolutionary psychology, anthropology, genetics, and cosmology. Contemporary psychological theories consider religious belief and behavior as complex brain-based phenomena that may have co-emerged in our species with novel cognitive processes for social cognition, such as Theory of Mind (ToM), and successfully engaged fundamental cognitive mechanisms, such as memory (2–4).
Remarkably little is currently known about the neural foundations of religiosity. Cognitive neuroscience studies have so far focused on the neural correlates of unusual and extraordinary religious experiences (5, 6), whereas clinical studies have focused on pathological religious manifestations. Hyperreligiosity in patients with temporal-lobe epilepsy motivated early theories linking religiosity with limbic and temporal areas (7, 8), executive aspects and prosocial roles of religion (9) shifted the focus to the frontal lobes (10), while decreased parietal lobe activity was linked to mystical religious experiences (5). Overall, these findings show a low degree of correspondence and no relationship to any proposed psychological architecture underlying religious belief.
The aim and motivation of our research was to define the psychological structure of religious belief, based on fundamental cognitive processes, and to reveal the corresponding pattern of brain activation to determine the relevance of evolutionary theories of cognitive development to the development of religious beliefs. To this end, it was necessary to model the complexity of religious belief.
Factor analytic studies have demonstrated that an underlying psychological structure can be described for religious belief and have established the perceptions of God's level of involvement and God's level of anger as key organizing components (11). Processing these components presupposes intent-related and emotional ToM being applied to supernatural agents, a fact that links fundamental aspects of social cognition to religious belief. Besides these components, any belief system relies on a body of semantic and event knowledge. One source of semantic knowledge for religious belief is doctrine, a body of concepts regarding supernatural agents and entities, which believers accept as real despite not being verified by personal experience. Aspects of doctrine may be rooted in intuitive world-theory creation inherent in all humans, such as belief in the existence of nonmaterial agents (1), but for the most part doctrine has abstract linguistic content, is specific to the various institutionalized religions, and is culturally transmitted (3). Another source of religious knowledge is event knowledge stemming from personal experiences explicitly religious (such as prayer or participation in ritual), but also from multiple social and moral events influenced by religion (3). In this view, religious knowledge forms a continuum from doctrinal to experiential, and most beliefs draw from both sources. Moreover, adoption and implementation of religious beliefs is influenced by emotions and goals. For example, a set of doctrinal beliefs about the soul may lead through logical reasoning to a moral rule regarding euthanasia, but an applied moral stance would also draw from experience and take the particular circumstances and their emotional significance into account.
Based on the above psychological structure, we hypothesized that religious belief relates to specific patterns of brain activation. First, we hypothesized that the 2 previously identified components (God's involvement and God's anger) (11) engage ToM-related prefrontal and posterior regions. Second, we hypothesized that the proposed continuum of religious knowledge differentially engages associative processes: doctrinal knowledge engages networks processing abstract semantics (3), whereas experiential knowledge engages networks involved in memory retrieval and imagery (3). Third, we predicted that adoption of religious belief engages networks providing cognitive-emotional interface.
We conducted a multidimensional scaling (MDS) study to determine the psychological components underlying religious belief (Experiment 1) and evaluated their neural foundations by employing a parallel functional neuroimaging study (Experiment 2).
There is much more contained in the article itself. Don't be afraid of the rabbit hole
The Spiritual Brain: Selective Cortical Lesions Modulate Human Self-Transcendence
http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(10)00052-8
Highlights
Self-transcendence is a stable personality trait measuring predisposition to spirituality
Brain damage induces specific and fast modulations of self-transcendence
Self-transcendence increases after damage to lt and rt inferior parietal cortex
Summary
The predisposition of human beings toward spiritual feeling, thinking, and behaviors is measured by a supposedly stable personality trait called self-transcendence. Although a few neuroimaging studies suggest that neural activation of a large fronto-parieto-temporal network may underpin a variety of spiritual experiences, information on the causative link between such a network and spirituality is lacking. Combining pre- and post-neurosurgery personality assessment with advanced brain-lesion mapping techniques, we found that selective damage to left and right inferior posterior parietal regions induced a specific increase of self-transcendence. Therefore, modifications of neural activity in temporoparietal areas may induce unusually fast modulations of a stable personality trait related to transcendental self-referential awareness. These results hint at the active, crucial role of left and right parietal systems in determining self-transcendence and cast new light on the neurobiological bases of altered spiritual and religious attitudes and behaviors in neurological and mental disorders.
http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(10)00052-8
Highlights
Self-transcendence is a stable personality trait measuring predisposition to spirituality
Brain damage induces specific and fast modulations of self-transcendence
Self-transcendence increases after damage to lt and rt inferior parietal cortex
Summary
The predisposition of human beings toward spiritual feeling, thinking, and behaviors is measured by a supposedly stable personality trait called self-transcendence. Although a few neuroimaging studies suggest that neural activation of a large fronto-parieto-temporal network may underpin a variety of spiritual experiences, information on the causative link between such a network and spirituality is lacking. Combining pre- and post-neurosurgery personality assessment with advanced brain-lesion mapping techniques, we found that selective damage to left and right inferior posterior parietal regions induced a specific increase of self-transcendence. Therefore, modifications of neural activity in temporoparietal areas may induce unusually fast modulations of a stable personality trait related to transcendental self-referential awareness. These results hint at the active, crucial role of left and right parietal systems in determining self-transcendence and cast new light on the neurobiological bases of altered spiritual and religious attitudes and behaviors in neurological and mental disorders.
The serotonin system and spiritual experiences.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14594742?dopt=Abstract
The serotonin system and spiritual experiences.
Borg J1, Andrée B, Soderstrom H, Farde L.
Author information
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
The serotonin system has long been of interest in biological models of human personality. The purpose of this positron emission tomography (PET) study was to search for relationships between serotonin 5-HT(1A) receptor density and personality traits.
METHOD:
Fifteen normal male subjects, ages 20-45 years, were examined with PET and the radioligand [(11)C]WAY100635. Personality traits were assessed with the Swedish version of the Temperament and Character Inventory self-report questionnaire. Binding potential, an index for the density of available 5-HT(1A) receptors, was calculated for the dorsal raphe nuclei, the hippocampal formation, and the neocortex. For each region, correlation coefficients between 5-HT(1A) receptor binding potential and Temperament and Character Inventory personality dimensions were calculated and analyzed in two-tailed tests for significance.
RESULTS:
The authors found that the binding potential correlated inversely with scores for self-transcendence, a personality trait covering religious behavior and attitudes. No correlations were found for any of the other six Temperament and Character Inventory dimensions. The self-transcendence dimension consists of three distinct subscales, and further analysis showed that the subscale for spiritual acceptance correlated significantly with binding potential but not with the other two subscales.
CONCLUSIONS:
This finding in normal male subjects indicated that the serotonin system may serve as a biological basis for spiritual experiences. The authors speculated that the several-fold variability in 5-HT(1A) receptor density may explain why people vary greatly in spiritual zeal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14594742?dopt=Abstract
The serotonin system and spiritual experiences.
Borg J1, Andrée B, Soderstrom H, Farde L.
Author information
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
The serotonin system has long been of interest in biological models of human personality. The purpose of this positron emission tomography (PET) study was to search for relationships between serotonin 5-HT(1A) receptor density and personality traits.
METHOD:
Fifteen normal male subjects, ages 20-45 years, were examined with PET and the radioligand [(11)C]WAY100635. Personality traits were assessed with the Swedish version of the Temperament and Character Inventory self-report questionnaire. Binding potential, an index for the density of available 5-HT(1A) receptors, was calculated for the dorsal raphe nuclei, the hippocampal formation, and the neocortex. For each region, correlation coefficients between 5-HT(1A) receptor binding potential and Temperament and Character Inventory personality dimensions were calculated and analyzed in two-tailed tests for significance.
RESULTS:
The authors found that the binding potential correlated inversely with scores for self-transcendence, a personality trait covering religious behavior and attitudes. No correlations were found for any of the other six Temperament and Character Inventory dimensions. The self-transcendence dimension consists of three distinct subscales, and further analysis showed that the subscale for spiritual acceptance correlated significantly with binding potential but not with the other two subscales.
CONCLUSIONS:
This finding in normal male subjects indicated that the serotonin system may serve as a biological basis for spiritual experiences. The authors speculated that the several-fold variability in 5-HT(1A) receptor density may explain why people vary greatly in spiritual zeal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/brainongod.htm
How God Changes Your Brain
Breakthrough Findings from a Leading Neuroscientist
There is a reason social scientists see it from a different lens, it has to do with the data sets they see.
How God Changes Your Brain
Breakthrough Findings from a Leading Neuroscientist
There is a reason social scientists see it from a different lens, it has to do with the data sets they see.
Herschel and Planck find missing clue to galaxy cluster formation
31 March 2015
By combining observations of the distant Universe made with ESA’s Herschel and Planck space observatories, cosmologists have discovered what could be the precursors of the vast clusters of galaxies that we see today.
Galaxies like our Milky Way with its 100 billion stars are usually not found in isolation. In the Universe today, 13.8 billion years after the Big Bang, many are in dense clusters of tens, hundreds or even thousands of galaxies.
However, these clusters have not always existed, and a key question in modern cosmology is how such massive structures assembled in the early Universe.
Pinpointing when and how they formed should provide insight into the process of galaxy cluster evolution, including the role played by dark matter in shaping these cosmic metropolises.
Now, using the combined strengths of Herschel and Planck, astronomers have found objects in the distant Universe, seen at a time when it was only three billion years old, which could be precursors of the clusters seen around us today.
The history of the Universe
Planck’s main goal was to provide the most precise map of the relic radiation of the Big Bang, the cosmic microwave background. To do so, it surveyed the entire sky in nine different wavelengths from the far-infrared to radio, in order to eliminate foreground emission from our galaxy and others in the Universe.
But those foreground sources can be important in other fields of astronomy, and it was in Planck’s short wavelength data that scientists were able to identify 234 bright sources with characteristics that suggested they were located in the distant, early Universe.
Herschel then observed these objects across the far-infrared to submillimetre wavelength range, but with much higher sensitivity and angular resolution.
Herschel revealed that the vast majority of the Planck-detected sources are consistent with dense concentrations of galaxies in the early Universe, vigorously forming new stars.
Each of these young galaxies is seen to be converting gas and dust into stars at a rate of a few hundred to 1500 times the mass of our Sun per year. By comparison, our own Milky Way galaxy today is producing stars at an average rate of just one solar mass per year.
While the astronomers have not yet conclusively established the ages and luminosities of many of these newly discovered distant galaxy concentrations, they are the best candidates yet found for ‘proto-clusters’ – precursors of the large, mature galaxy clusters we see in the Universe today.
“Hints of these kinds of objects had been found earlier in data from Herschel and other telescopes, but the all-sky capability of Planck revealed many more candidates for us to study,” says Hervé Dole of the Institut d’Astrophysique Spatiale, Orsay, lead scientist of the analysis published today in Astronomy & Astrophysics.
“We still have a lot to learn about this new population, requiring further follow-up studies with other observatories. But we believe that they are a missing piece of cosmological structure formation.”
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/S...find_missing_clue_to_galaxy_cluster_formation
stars are born and stars die.
the scientists age the universe by looking at the oldest starlight.
what they don't see are all the stars that already died and dispersed their energies into the aether. so the universe could be much older than speculated... maybe eternal.
there are new stars formed of the remains of the dead ones.
31 March 2015
By combining observations of the distant Universe made with ESA’s Herschel and Planck space observatories, cosmologists have discovered what could be the precursors of the vast clusters of galaxies that we see today.
Galaxies like our Milky Way with its 100 billion stars are usually not found in isolation. In the Universe today, 13.8 billion years after the Big Bang, many are in dense clusters of tens, hundreds or even thousands of galaxies.
However, these clusters have not always existed, and a key question in modern cosmology is how such massive structures assembled in the early Universe.
Pinpointing when and how they formed should provide insight into the process of galaxy cluster evolution, including the role played by dark matter in shaping these cosmic metropolises.
Now, using the combined strengths of Herschel and Planck, astronomers have found objects in the distant Universe, seen at a time when it was only three billion years old, which could be precursors of the clusters seen around us today.
The history of the Universe
Planck’s main goal was to provide the most precise map of the relic radiation of the Big Bang, the cosmic microwave background. To do so, it surveyed the entire sky in nine different wavelengths from the far-infrared to radio, in order to eliminate foreground emission from our galaxy and others in the Universe.
But those foreground sources can be important in other fields of astronomy, and it was in Planck’s short wavelength data that scientists were able to identify 234 bright sources with characteristics that suggested they were located in the distant, early Universe.
Herschel then observed these objects across the far-infrared to submillimetre wavelength range, but with much higher sensitivity and angular resolution.
Herschel revealed that the vast majority of the Planck-detected sources are consistent with dense concentrations of galaxies in the early Universe, vigorously forming new stars.
Each of these young galaxies is seen to be converting gas and dust into stars at a rate of a few hundred to 1500 times the mass of our Sun per year. By comparison, our own Milky Way galaxy today is producing stars at an average rate of just one solar mass per year.
While the astronomers have not yet conclusively established the ages and luminosities of many of these newly discovered distant galaxy concentrations, they are the best candidates yet found for ‘proto-clusters’ – precursors of the large, mature galaxy clusters we see in the Universe today.
“Hints of these kinds of objects had been found earlier in data from Herschel and other telescopes, but the all-sky capability of Planck revealed many more candidates for us to study,” says Hervé Dole of the Institut d’Astrophysique Spatiale, Orsay, lead scientist of the analysis published today in Astronomy & Astrophysics.
“We still have a lot to learn about this new population, requiring further follow-up studies with other observatories. But we believe that they are a missing piece of cosmological structure formation.”
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/S...find_missing_clue_to_galaxy_cluster_formation
stars are born and stars die.
the scientists age the universe by looking at the oldest starlight.
what they don't see are all the stars that already died and dispersed their energies into the aether. so the universe could be much older than speculated... maybe eternal.
there are new stars formed of the remains of the dead ones.
Dawkins is an idiot, he's just a "man" with an opinion, a wrong one at that, and those that follow him are likewise, Sheep.
Evolution and atheism are religions, you do know this right? no different than Islam. All of their gods are dead, there is only one true God and He lives and He hates idolatry.
Terrified? speak for yourself, I am not in the least, I would not want to be in the middle east with all those extreme crack heads, I want no part of their idolatry. I have no desire to kill anyone, ever.
Back on topic;
The father of quantum physics once said:
All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of an atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind.
This Mind is the matrix of all matter.
Max Planck
Whence come I and whither go I? That is the great unfathomable question, the same for every one of us. Science has no answer to it.
Max Planck
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UTTER RUBBISH, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER CRAP YOU POST. Evolution is science, something you can't understand, and anti-theism is not a religion. Quite the opposite. Religion is pure evil, and the cause of all the killing of non believers over the centuries. "My god's better than your god". Moronic.
Of course. Yours is the one "true" "god", and a hater at that. You have to be a real moron to post garbage like that. Better strap on an AK47 and go and defend your god against the marauding hordes, whose goal is to exterminate Christians & Jews, in the name of their god, Allah. Religion=insanity, and population/mind control of sheeple like yourself. It's actually amusing in a macabre kind of way, how all you religious types are into slaughtering one another. Glad I don't have that on my conscience, and glad I have the sense not to follow books written by cretins from thousands of years ago. It's unfortunate you haven't evolved.
genedigger
Member
retro grow you were not in germany during world war 2.evolution and eugenics is what helped hitler form his bigotry towards ethnic groups.go educate yourself and stop preaching your hissy fit bullshit
genedigger
Member
you evolutionists jump to conclusions in your views of christians.huh sorta sounds like that evolution theory jumping to conclusions when really no one knows we were not there to see it happen
its easier to blame a segment of society for all the wrong in the world than it is to take responsibility for one's own actions that either contribute to or offset it.
genedigger
Member
the only war that is a real religious war is whats happening right now with islam in the middle east.every other war in history had other factors involved which were not religious.world war 1 and 2 were not started and fought because of a religious conflict.please study history some more and dont except the bullshit idea of history that was spoon fed to you by the education system of america
you've...... never heard of asia........ have you.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
here's one a fan of jesus may appreciate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
here's one a fan of jesus may appreciate
why can't there be a GOD?
or at least some idea of a god?
"whatever the mind of man can conceive, man can achieve".
I trust that statement...I know it's just my ego telling me i'm right up there with God creating things, but experience tells me (or intuition) it is right.
man creates, not just of necessity, but for pleasure...and profit.
somewhere someone created god or gods and they manifested or morphed into reality for millions ($).
Santa was a really nice man for about ten years before abandoning that reality.
The earth was flat forever, and the sun orbited earth before Pythagoras (and he was deified).
Bloodletting was considered to cure ailments...
things change, sanity prevails (hopefully) and science challenges the concept of omnipotence.
so what?
so what if someone feels better having a GoD to rely on?
so what if you do not believe?
the crux is whether or not you need a GOd to be complete.
perhaps the emptiness is self inflicted, or not.
spirituality is a personal journey...you could find it at a Dead concert, in solitude, in entheogens, or an ashram. it is as real to the person as the price of petrol.
forcing opposing opinion in direct interference of spiritual belief forced Galileo into house arrest.
...over the mechanism of the universe no less.
or at least some idea of a god?
"whatever the mind of man can conceive, man can achieve".
I trust that statement...I know it's just my ego telling me i'm right up there with God creating things, but experience tells me (or intuition) it is right.
man creates, not just of necessity, but for pleasure...and profit.
somewhere someone created god or gods and they manifested or morphed into reality for millions ($).
Santa was a really nice man for about ten years before abandoning that reality.
The earth was flat forever, and the sun orbited earth before Pythagoras (and he was deified).
Bloodletting was considered to cure ailments...
things change, sanity prevails (hopefully) and science challenges the concept of omnipotence.
so what?
so what if someone feels better having a GoD to rely on?
so what if you do not believe?
the crux is whether or not you need a GOd to be complete.
perhaps the emptiness is self inflicted, or not.
spirituality is a personal journey...you could find it at a Dead concert, in solitude, in entheogens, or an ashram. it is as real to the person as the price of petrol.
forcing opposing opinion in direct interference of spiritual belief forced Galileo into house arrest.
...over the mechanism of the universe no less.
genedigger
Member
i wonder how many atheists on here know who albert pike was.if you dont then you should read about him and his thoughts on christianity and atheism.he believed the 2 ideas would cancel each other out and cause fighting which is exactly whats happening today.atheists are not trying to find out where we came from or where were going or how to help manking in any way,but rather to sow seeds of discord.the folkjs ya'll look up to darwin this albert guy all those clowns from that era in history were not bringing the facts to the table they had a much different agenda which most today are embracing without studying what these fools were realy thinkng.oh i forgot to mention most were freemasons.that secret society that is mostly affluent white men.where are the ladies?
albert pike? O no....I knew it was just a matter of time. Mason hunters unite
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