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HempKat

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Yes, for the most part humans are masters of shifting blame, and and many would benefit greatly from being more honest with themselves and taking credit for their actions. However the corporations and governments of the world do have quite a bit of say on what happens in our lives and how we live them. And then there is evil, dark energy, demons,,Satan, etc, that can certainly get the best of people at times. Life is not always a fair, level, playing field where people should be blamed or Judged for making improper or incorrect decisions.

We have more responsibility and power then you credit the masses for but it's only truly effective when united. In the days of both the world wars, America transformed itself from a rough coalition of people in various territories living largely independent of one another, into a united industrial giant able to crank out massive amounts of military equipment and ammunition, enough to bring down the world's only other Industrial giants, Germany and Japan. This happened because people say in the wars a common cause they could united against in spite of their difference. If we could learn how to be united again we could defeat the corporations and the governments because the bottomline is they can't exist the way they want to exist without us. Corporations thrive and die on the spending habits of the masses they influence. If people get upset and unite in a serious ban on products the corporation connected would be forced to change in response otherwise they'd go bankrupt or at least lose more money then they can bare. The same with politicians. Let's take the president as an example. He campaigned on change which in the publics mind he would run a more transparent and citizen friendly kind of government. A lot of people voted for him based on this one campaign promise alone. Many people today would say he failed to even come close to achieving that promise. So it would have been proper for a majority of voters to vote him out the next election. Instead the opposite happened and a majority voted him in for a second term. So truly as far as what our government is right now we the masses are responsible. Because trust me the government would seem very different if Romney was our president right now.

5 years ago I was having intense feelings and tried to stop contributing to the demise of our poor mother earth. I stopped growing medicine, sold my car, gave most of my clothes to charity, moved out of my apartment, bought a bicycle and a some camping gear and just went for it. Now for me, a couch potato, and one who enjoys a mellow walk on the beach, this was a pretty big deal at the time. I hadn't been camping for 15 +years and it had been at least as long since I had ridden a bicycle. My friends and family thought I had lost my mind, and I do not mean this figuratively.
I had about fifteen grand when I started camping, so I was by no means living like a hobo, but I tried my best to avoid common luxuries. I found this to be impossible. In America, the only place to purchase food is from grocery stores. Of course we all know everything in the stores has been shipped for thousands of miles after being wrapped in plastic, or packed in cardboard or both. All of my money was still going to these corporations and towards pollution, though I had cut back quite a bit. I rode my bike everywhere but took the bus on occasion, so petrol usage was down to zero, except for the gas used to ship my food. Most of the time I camped at state parks in Cali, Oregon, and Washington, though sometimes I just went into the wilderness by myself for a couple days. Of course I had to pay for the camping most of the time, though it was only $6--$10 a day.
What I found while camping was that, because most of the land is spoken for, it's pretty tough to just bail on society and get back to nature. Even if I knew how to hunt and grow crops, which I have zero experience at either, then theres the where? I suppose if I searched I could have found a hippy commune somewhere to try and settle in. I did not, and found that if I wanted to stay close to a food source, I have to pay to camp. So, after 7 months I realized that I was still eating the same, all organic, but still store bought from giant corporations. I was using less water and less gas and that was it. I moved back into an apartment, cut down on water, and still rode my bike and took the bus for a while, but needless to say, when growing indoor cannabis, having a vehicle is a pretty big deal. Bringing lbs on the city bus was just asking for trouble, so I had to get a car for work. I try to be more conscious of my waste and my habits, but escaping, for someone like me at least, well, I just couldn't pull it off.
At some point, as the world was passing me by, I had to ask myself, why was I doing it? Was it pride, or stupidity, or did I just crave separation from the masses, or individuality? When you're one of the few people in the town without a house and a car, and sixteen year olds are roaring by you in their parents giant gas guzzling sport utility vehicles, me contributing to saving the world is obviously somewhat pointless as it's not going to happen. It would take many millions of people like me to even make a minuscule difference. As bitchin and important as I am, my actions had no affect, and the world didn't change a bit. I found that what needed correcting was my mindset.Other choices include, finding a monastery and becoming a monk, or roaming and scavenging for food ALONE in the mountains. I found, in choosing my new temporary lifestyle, in a lot of ways, I was choosing loneliness. Most people do not choose to be houseless and use minimum resources. Being a single guy in my 30's it was fairly obvious that I didn't have much of a choice in returning to a 'normal' lifestyle so I could hopefully find someone to love. My friends were correct in assuming that most homeless folks are mentally or emotionally troubled, so I spent a lot of time alone, away from these types.
I'm not saying I'm perfect or I couldn't have tried harder. I simply enjoy the company of sane human beings and I have zero survival skills and zero land. For most of us, there really isn't much we can do to make a difference.
The only thing an individual can change in the world is the way they perceive the world. So in a sense, we still need to take responsibility, but not for the things that many of us are complaining about, but for the way we understand and react to these things. While some entities destroy the earth and force evil upon us, we are still pretty damn lucky to be able to enjoy the earth for all of it's beauty, so long as that is our focus.
I've never met anyone with 'an answer', and likely will not. The hope for a savior to me is positive. It means people know and understand that they want things to be different and more peaceful. Many people understand that a major event or magical Jesus type character is the only way the power structure will crumble. Optimism is a virtue this day and age.

There are a lot of things you could of done differently if you thought thru things more. For example rather then giving your things away and beginning a quest to live off the land as quickly as you could you could have made a plan to prepare yourself to do it in the best way possible. Give yourself a few weeks, months or even a year to prepare. You probably would have seemed more driven then crazy to friends and family if you spent a year getting yourself in good shape to endure the rigors of your new lifestyle. Another thing you could have done is found a piece of unused land you were interested in and bought it perhaps even with a structure of some kind to live out of included in the deal. A lot of people own land with the notion of selling it eventually so it's just a matter of finding your price. Camping is all fine and dandy but it's only useful when you're forced to go where there is nothing else around for miles. It's best to own your land so you can do what you want, like build your own home or even better yet, if you can afford it by selling off your stuff rather then giving it away you could get some land and build one of those earthship homes that are designed for self sufficiency.

Let me say that again, build your own home, your experience would have been a lot better if you could have bought some land and lived off it yet stay close enough to society to take advantage of it when necessary. Like for socialization or buying the necessities of comfortable life that you can't gather, grow, or hunt for. Another nice thing about building a home or having one is this, say you get lonely and you go to town to hook up with a member of the opposite sex, for sex and you end up going back to your place. What's going to go over better with your un, "date" introducing her to your tent, or your fully furnished, hand built, genuine, log cabin? Personally I think the cabin would work better. Hell if it were me I'd even feel better about an old mobile home that came with the property.

Another thing I would say is try not to sweat the fine details too much. Okay, so you yourself want to stop using plastic, fine. But don't worry about the plastic used by the people you do business with. That's on them and is something they are going to do regardless of what lifestyle choices you make. I mean it's not like they are going to say, "Oh, Joe Schmoe swore off using any non organic products so lets buy one lifetime off plastic less to use packaging our products." That kind of change is one that would require a untied mass of people to make happen. So the rule of thumb I'd say is that before you deny yourself all comforts and pleasures make sure your sacrifice is going to make a difference any time in the near future? If the answer is no then just write it off as the responsibility of the manufacturer. You can still do your part no matter how small. Also consider this, you might not be able to make a noticeable change but you might inspire others with your example and eventually impact enough people where it does make a noticeable difference.
 

HempKat

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So.... What saviour are we talking about?

Take your pick. The point isn't which one is true. The point is if you are expecting one to SAVE you (hence the term SAViour) then you are not taking action to save yourself. Why try to make the world a better place if you believe it's all going to eventually go to hell in a hand basket?

If the end of the world that most religions teach is going to happen then why strive to do anything that might prevent it from happening? I mean if it's definitely going to happen then that means any attempts to stop that end from happening are destined to failure. Either that or the holy book that told you the world is doomed was wrong and it being the word of your God then your God would also be wrong. Which should be impossible of an all powerful God.
 
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Christianity uses stones to stone people to death lol how nice huh your god is a amazing work of art
He also like little boys making him Gay yet the churches are against it whats up with that ???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYfDlIa-Z8

Don't forget that a certain religiopolitical group won ww2, the ones that own the overwhelming majority of our media. People call me a conspiracy theorist from time to time but of course most of these folks don't read much. Vatican II ? Have you ever heard the term commie? Of course the church will look bad if people infiltrate it with the intent of tarnishing it's image and then displaying it in a negative light for all the world to see. So many people nonchalantly talking down on others belief systems now days. Admittedly I am guilty of this as well from time to time, do to the brainwashing I've received from mass media. There's really only one that you can't talk bad about, unless your in a place like the USA. Islam is evil, Christians are dumb and evil, Juice are always innocent and super intelligent. What's interesting to me about propaganda is most people can't see it. By no means am I antisemitic, I don't really care which team wins. Just calling a spade a spade. I'm only 35 and the Xian hating seems to have increased tenfold since I was a teenager; in my opinion, due to the influence of Hollywood and mass media.
 

Weird

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Take your pick. The point isn't which one is true. The point is if you are expecting one to SAVE you (hence the term SAViour) then you are not taking action to save yourself. Why try to make the world a better place if you believe it's all going to eventually go to hell in a hand basket?

Because the concept of being saved = embracing altruism opposed to narcissism.

The joy one gets from finding purpose in altruism brings fullness to the life we have here on earth is the prize.


If the end of the world that most religions teach is going to happen then why strive to do anything that might prevent it from happening? I mean if it's definitely going to happen then that means any attempts to stop that end from happening are destined to failure. Either that or the holy book that told you the world is doomed was wrong and it being the word of your God then your God would also be wrong. Which should be impossible of an all powerful God.

Science also tells us our star will die and wipe out our planet with us and as of yet we haven't figured out how to stop it.

I bet this notion depresses some people.

The more science actualizes the views of various religions the more people blame one for the same shared reality both science and religion describe.

People have a hard time dealing with the nature of reality so they blame everything but their own inability to perceive it correctly.

This goes for those who look at life from religious and scientific lens because like everything else it is a matter of perspective which uses contrast between known differences to form.

Doesn't mean that the perceived contrast isn't defective in the first place.
 

Weird

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150312092225.htm

Metaphor usage highlights social bonds and increases understanding of others' emotions


Observe whether two people use metaphors in conversation with each other if you want to guess how close they are as friends. Or sharpen your ability to tune into other people’s emotional or mental states by observing the metaphors they use. Why is this? Because metaphors can in fact help one to ‘mind read,’ according to experts.
 

Weird

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Metaphors can also be used to evoke emotion.

One emotion will rise from one mindset and the same metaphor will evoke the diametrically opposed emotion in another mindset.

The nature of our being is effected by language, and religion is a great example of how our nature is such that we all reach to words in such dramatic fashion.

Much like a computer responds to code.
 
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Hempkat, I feel what you are saying. I live in Orange County California where property is uber expensive. Since childhood I've been an apartment dweller, and most of my adult life I've been living check to check. Lots of money in OC , but if you don't start with any it's extremely hard to come out on top with any sort of savings. Also I'm lazy. I would love to get motivated, make way more money, buy some land, and live off the grid, growing veggies and raising chickens. Also, having an orgy with twin Princesses sounds great. We will lick whipped cream and gold flakes off of each others behinds.
I want to be clear when I say my effort was half assed, but when everyone else is ready for the change you better believe I'll be standing with them:)
 

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It would take many millions of people like me to even make a minuscule difference. As bitchin and important as I am, my actions had no affect, and the world didn't change a bit.

the world is changing. Everyday there are more people who live like you. Together it makes a difference. Not a big one, but it's a step in the right direction. B.T.W. some people will follow your example when they see you doing so.

Siever
 

DrFever

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Hempkat, I feel what you are saying. I live in Orange County California where property is uber expensive. Since childhood I've been an apartment dweller, and most of my adult life I've been living check to check. Lots of money in OC , but if you don't start with any it's extremely hard to come out on top with any sort of savings. Also I'm lazy. I would love to get motivated, make way more money, buy some land, and live off the grid, growing veggies and raising chickens. Also, having an orgy with twin Princesses sounds great. We will lick whipped cream and gold flakes off of each others behinds.
I want to be clear when I say my effort was half assed, but when everyone else is ready for the change you better believe I'll be standing with them:)

First of all if your going to wait for other to make a change then follow reminds me of sheep
secondly lets look at some people for instance Mike tyson , evander holly field people that lived in the hood had nothing everything around them was nothing but they changed although miss guided and foooled they made millions . with out education etc
its learning how to play the game there are many stories out there where someone came into a country with pennies and made something out of it it was not gods decision for this to happen ????
Luck perhaps some but it was hunger to get there you can sit there feeling sorry for your self thinking you were wronged and the world is unfair , or you can get off your ass and make something out of your self
simple write up a business plan where you are now and where you want to be 10 years from now SAVE
10 years ago i was litterally bankrupt ( divorce) i had to give ex 750,000 house and buy her out of my business 700,000 cash i was fucked
after 2 years of feeling sorry for my self i sat down and wrote up my plan to get back on track
today i own over a million dollar house have over 200,000 k in vehicles assets it was small steps to get back there but i achieved it by a plan
You want to live pay check to pay check then by all means giver if you want to achieve goals then sacrifice , taking chances is what you need to do i used material things to get assets and grow from there that is how the game is played i may not have lots of cash or anything on me but with back ups in place i could have 100,000 cash in a few days most rich people do not have cash but assets they use to get cash
start thinking this way and trust me your dreams :tiphat:will come true
 

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i have found its not how much you make or achieve but how much you spend and give.[/QUOTE

Ask your self that when you retire and try to collect GOV pension plan and they say sorry we do not have any money to give you lol
Truth is only you can cover your ass if you think someone else is your going to die hungry that is the problem in USA today everyone tends to think the GOV is going to save your ass
and honestly they could give a shit about you in reality
If the government takes money out of the pension fund what guarantee do you have that they will replace it ??? NONE None whas so ever ..
stop passing the buck to someone else that is a sign of weakness to think that the average american thinks about there debt is i do not give a shit is so wrong indeed
You should give a shit you ever wonder why big business is moving out of your country you ever wonder why so many geniuses are movin being lured to other countries faster then anything good coming in , but immigrants muslims mexicans etc ??
think about it
REALLY this is elementary 1st grde education you remember that book where one mouse didnt save his food for winter while other mice stored there foods ???? this really equates to real events today
taking about financial security that you and loved ones can enjoy if you think other wise you are a fool
if you broke ass now and do fuck all about it you will be nothing 20 years from now just older and broke ass :biggrin:

You mention to give lol wait till your in need and the people / churches you give will say thank you for your services and turn there backs on you
 
im sick and im not making it to retirement age.even if i did are you fucking crazy.oh cool when im old impotent and feeble i wont have to work but ill have a bunch of cash that i will probably spend on medical bills.retirement is the biggest pile of shit ive ever heard of.you know what would be cool to retire when your young and able to enjoy life to its fullest and spend that money on thrills and shit that a young body can take.retirement!if thats what your looking foward to than the establishment has made you its bitch.anarcho-primitism,thats retirement!
 
i dont live off the governmant or state even though i could.i dont work and i live hand to mouth and love every fucking sec of it.it doesnt take a brain to spend money but it takes one to not spend it.selfcontrol is a very stong quality.i have had great paying jobs and ive been outta work for 6months living off unemployment and living in my car.being secure money wise does not make you happy it makes you an egotistical,close minded,devoid of empathy motherfucker.a big ego that is going in one direction knocking everything in its path over is going to have a false sense of what being happy is.
 

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Gene i find it funny how you mention you are not living off the Government then next sentence you are on unemployment ??? LMAO can i ask who issued you that check ???
You mention self control on money spending one wold think a person with a fair share of wealth would fall into this catagory no ??? i sense you are angry with the situation you are in either living in a car or under a bridge truth is i really don't give a fuck and pitty know one
Its the person that sets his own standards in life
I also like to ask you as your such firm believer in GOD why are you using scientific medicine for your illness ??? you ever wonder why God gave you the illness to begin with ??? should you not be praying instead of taking science made medicine
TBH you suggest that no need to worry about old age cause your not going to get there GOD choose you to die sooner and for a reason of getting rid of your bad gene pool thus evolution works the stronger gene pool evolves and lives on
THere is no place for weak diseased genes even in humans
 

mr.brunch

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Come on now people, play nice :)

And believe me, money ain't the be all end all..... Don't get me wrong- it helps, but the best things in life are the ones money can't buy.
 
i was saying i had been on it before while living in my car.i was highlighting that ive been well off and ive had almost nothing.currently i dont recieve anything from bigbrother,although i am eligible for some of there services.
 
dude dr fever you gat a fever.listen very carefully.i am not part of any religion and have not professed faith in anyone god on here.i am not receiving treatment for what is wrong with me i dont know where you got that from.i am currently living with a wonderfull woman who i love very much and she loves me back in return.what im sick with i did to myself.it didnt come from any god anywhere,and if i was looking for pity you would be the last person i would want anything from.you assume more than anyone ive ever met.dont let your fingers think ahead of your head.
 
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First of all if your going to wait for other to make a change then follow reminds me of sheep
secondly lets look at some people for instance Mike tyson , evander holly field people that lived in the hood had nothing everything around them was nothing but they changed although miss guided and foooled they made millions . with out education etc
its learning how to play the game there are many stories out there where someone came into a country with pennies and made something out of it it was not gods decision for this to happen ????
Luck perhaps some but it was hunger to get there you can sit there feeling sorry for your self thinking you were wronged and the world is unfair , or you can get off your ass and make something out of your self
simple write up a business plan where you are now and where you want to be 10 years from now SAVE
10 years ago i was litterally bankrupt ( divorce) i had to give ex 750,000 house and buy her out of my business 700,000 cash i was fucked
after 2 years of feeling sorry for my self i sat down and wrote up my plan to get back on track
today i own over a million dollar house have over 200,000 k in vehicles assets it was small steps to get back there but i achieved it by a plan
You want to live pay check to pay check then by all means giver if you want to achieve goals then sacrifice , taking chances is what you need to do i used material things to get assets and grow from there that is how the game is played i may not have lots of cash or anything on me but with back ups in place i could have 100,000 cash in a few days most rich people do not have cash but assets they use to get cash
start thinking this way and trust me your dreams :tiphat:will come true

??? I think maybe you read something wrong or maybe I mistyped something along the way. I would never in my life want $200,000 in vehicles. Of course advertising got me in my earlier days and I was a typical entitled American that wanted everything in the world, fancy houses, nice cars, stupid trinkets, etc.
Make something for myself? Do you mean work my ass off for years to make the slave drivers happy? My version of making something for myself means working 10 hours a week and enjoying my freedom so I can read and play music all day, or maybe hit the beach with my dog to enjoy some sunshine.
Sheep? Follow who? Taking a stand together does not mean people have followed one another to that point, it could mean walking side by side with a self imposed common goal. To make myself suffer loneliness, hardship, judgment and leave myself open to illness from being exposed to the elements, was completely fueled by pride. Yes, at the time i did this I considered myself to be 'better' than most of society, who quite frankly, on the whole, do not really seem to care about the way the world is going. Obviously this was a flawed way of thinking, but it served me nonetheless, in that it taught me a lesson in life that i will not soon forget. It's not only that i wanted to experience freedom, but i wanted to separate myself from the people that I considered to be sheepish, people with ideas like yours DrFever. I wanted to simply be an independent man. Perspective really is an interesting phenomenon. Why suffer just to know that I didn't contribute to the downfall as much as everyone else? This is foolish, we are all in this together, and who am i to decide what is righteous or not? The experience on a material level was a failure, though it taught me something about myself and gave me a new perception of my reality.
Yeah, Mike and Evander. Two people that supposedly 'made it', lol. Out of how many? Starting with nothing doesn't mean one cannot make it financially, it simply means the odds are stacked against them and they have to try harder. No fucking way am I going to work my ass off daily unless someone has a whip on my back. I work when I want for the most part and if I want fancy shit one day to make myself feel important than I'll up my 10 hour weeks to 40-50.
Nobody is feeling sorry for themselves here. Of course most are wronged and the world is unfair. This has nothing to do with my financial status. I can save money and would if I wanted to bad enough, but this means trading my time and energy, two things I enjoy very much. Trust when I say I'm able but not willing. A ten year plan is too long. In high school I decided that I didn't want to work hard and be a slave to people or material things, as i value independence. 40 hours never made sense. Right away I created a job for myself which I've had now since I was 16.
If you are happy, that makes me happy. Everyone should strive for it. Your post was somewhat insulting so I wanted to clarify my POV. It doesn't matter to me that our happiness comes in different ways, but understand that it clearly does.
 
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