New sub-forum suggestion...12/12 from seed

[Hal]

I want to morph this thread....from a discussion about creating a new sub-forum, or "stickied" thread....to an actual thread about the growing method "12/12 from seed."

Something tells me that I should start an entirely new thread with the title "12/12 from seed," as opposed to just changing THIS threads title. This thread has too many posts, especially in the beginning (where newcomers will most likely start their reading...), that weigh in on the validity of such a permanent sub-forum or "sticky," and doesn't get right down to discussing the real matter at hand, actually growing pot gardens using this lighting method.

Of course, I don't want any of the interested parties here to lose the track of this thread. Anyone care to comment, or input some ideas?

 

[glock23]

I say you just keep it going and let everyone put in their 2 cents. I read this thread from start to finish myself. It looks more impressive with all the pages too

 

[Haggis123]

I want to morph this thread....from a discussion about creating a new sub-forum, or "stickied" thread....to an actual thread about the growing method "12/12 from seed."

Something tells me that I should start an entirely new thread with the title "12/12 from seed," as opposed to just changing THIS threads title. This thread has too many posts, especially in the beginning (where newcomers will most likely start their reading...), that weigh in on the validity of such a permanent sub-forum or "sticky," and doesn't get right down to discussing the real matter at hand, actually growing pot gardens using this lighting method.

Of course, I don't want any of the interested parties here to lose the track of this thread. Anyone care to comment, or input some ideas?

A new thread may be the way to go, as you said there are a lot of posts at the beginning slating the method...saying it won't work etc.
Most newbies will come along and read the first few posts, think it's no good and move on and as we know...it does work and we are proving it.
We are encountering a new style of grow...big up the 12/12 from seed..

 

[Lofty]

maybe a new thread with the pics of 12/12 grow and pos info, i think yr mor than proved there is something really good for growers who want this type of grow or even mor stoners who mite not hav room for cloning etc but this wud b just rite for them.

Hal this NEEDS to b there for stoners who mite never grow if they dont know bout this!

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I want to morph this thread....from a discussion about creating a new sub-forum, or "stickied" thread....to an actual thread about the growing method "12/12 from seed."

Something tells me that I should start an entirely new thread with the title "12/12 from seed," as opposed to just changing THIS threads title. This thread has too many posts, especially in the beginning (where newcomers will most likely start their reading...), that weigh in on the validity of such a permanent sub-forum or "sticky," and doesn't get right down to discussing the real matter at hand, actually growing pot gardens using this lighting method.

Of course, I don't want any of the interested parties here to lose the track of this thread. Anyone care to comment, or input some ideas?

You could ask the mods to split the beginning of the thread (with the forum yay or nay part) off into its own thread and rename this thread to 12/12 from seed. No need to start a whole new thread and split up the knowledge in this one. Hopefully the mods will cooperate.

 

[Hal]

Good idea Growtime...

Think I'll do just that.

 

[Guest]

i say start a new thread.
as new guidelines/refinements/numbers come to light you can update the first post, that way people don't have to wade throught the bullshit to get to the important info.

 

[Hal]

as new guidelines/refinements/numbers come to light you can update the first post, that way people don't have to wade throught the bullshit to get to the important info.

Hey Sat...

I'm not sure what you mean by that. I understand about not requiring people to wade through a bunch of bullshit, but I'm not sure what you mean by updating the older stuff.

If we did what was suggested just previous....wouldn't that in essense be the same...split the current thread into two parts, the first part would end where the opinions generally end, and the second part could start where most of the posts are not speaking to the validity of a sub-forum, but are speaking mostly to the in's and out's of the method?

Speaking of that division...I have to go back and see about where that would be...

 

[Guest]

sorry for being so vague Hal, i was in a hurry when i posted that.

i meant that you should keep updating the first post of this thread or a new one with the important stuff. let's say you start a new thread entitled "12/12-from-seed SOG method", your first post would contain all the guidelines for the method so it can be an informative reference as well as an intro. over the course of the thread you'll hit the 'edit' button on the first post and make additions/amendments to the basic guidelines. that way folks don't have to read the whole thread or ask questions that have already been answered.

atmo's thread on og suffered from this lack of a 'nutshell', to get to the info you had to hit 'filter' under his avatar, and even then it was a long read.

imagine being a newb. you see the thread title and click on it. you read the first post, and now you're educated.
"piece a' piss" instead of "bunch a' bullshit".

 

[Hal]

That is a very good observation Satghost. I like it.

I think it might be important, in that scheme of things, to have other concerned growers of this method to PM me, and alert me to things which should be "edited in-to" that initial post, otherwise it would end up being to much of a job keeping track of this thread.

But I think your idea of having an updated initial post with the critical data for growing with this method is an excellent one.

 

[Guest]

good thinking on the pm's Hal.

since nobody has answered your question about individual pots vs. soil-bed,
i think i'll have a crack: in a bed of soil, roots fill the all of the available space in the root-zones of the neighbouring plants, they mingle. when roots hit the side of a pot, they can't turn around 180 degrees and fill the empty spaces that they've left behind, instead the bunch up against the walls, hence the "only re-pot when your plants are root-bound" thing.

 

[BACKCOUNTRY]

When done the right way this method is also interesting for commercial growers ! Doing your own cloning really good needs lots of space to select from a mother (from seed !) or you can use a clone that you know is already good as a mother . cloning yourself always takes more than 3 weeks and a certain amount of space. for maximum performance clones need to root within 8 days ,thats far from easy for most people (although it is possible to root them in 4 days !!)
Ther eare more reasons why the 12/12 from start can yield so well . Why i will try to explain later , i'm in a hurry now .

Oh I'm with ya brother! Growing straight from seed can be made into a very efficent method.

I do think that for true SOG to work correctly, clones must be used for extreme consistancy. Also, clones are advantageous for commecial growers who need to produce the same product over and over again, consider that even the most stable strains can produce widly different plants, with different potentcies and types of highs, tastes, appearances.
In short, clones are advantageous in situations where extreme consitancy is needed, but for the small time grower I do not think this consistancy is needed or advantageous.

 

[Guest]

anyone got any opinion on the best distance the seeds shud b from the lite for this sort of grow, i've got them 12" below a 600hps at the mo.

use 600 watt HPS at 55 cm distance.

wen do change from grow nute to bloom ntes?

change over when the plants start flowering.

 

[Guest]

Oh I'm with ya brother! Growing straight from seed can be made into a very efficent method.

I do think that for true SOG to work correctly, clones must be used for extreme consistancy. Also, clones are advantageous for commecial growers who need to produce the same product over and over again, consider that even the most stable strains can produce widly different plants, with different potentcies and types of highs, tastes, appearances.
In short, clones are advantageous in situations where extreme consitancy is needed, but for the small time grower I do not think this consistancy is needed or advantageous.

true. but, if you germ enough seedlings and get enough females, you can to a certain extent select for uniformity. atmo has a great thread on wietforum: "How To Get More Females From Your Regular Seeds". i'd be happy to translate and post it here if he doesn't mind.

 

[BACKCOUNTRY]

I still do not believe you can create the same level of uniformity by breeding that you can get from cloning the same plant.

 

[highonthechroni]

Nice thread, Atmosphere's 12/12 thread on OG was killer!

 

[foomar]

This thread has had more posts and views than some existing sub forums and has enougth material and interest to justify one of its own.

Get a few documented comparisons and grows on the go and its a winner.

 

[Guest]

I still do not believe you can create the same level of uniformity by breeding that you can get from cloning the same plant.

you're not wrong about that, but i didn't mean selective breeding... i meant selecting females to flower.
the idea is to have so many females that you end up culling a lot of them anyway. it's true that you'll get wildly different plants from seed, but you're not flowering all of them.

as for examples check out the pics: http://www.wietforum.nl/index.php?showtopic=22026

 

[Lofty]

my first grow from seed 12/12

my first grow from seed 12/12

i'm guna carry on posting my updates and pics of my 12/12 grow. wen the thread is sorted it mayb use to others that r first timers (learning from my mistakes).

here r the seeds after 5 days on 12/12, i've just repotted them, i've buried the stem a bit as they stretched wen they were in veg for few days.

as u can c i've put a clone in aswell (AK47) just to c how they compare.



i hope this will b helpful to others in the end.

 

[Hal]

Hey Everybody!...

OK...I am going to start to write up the beginning of the new thread. What I want to do is to share with this current thread, in stages, the progress I am making, and to get feedback from you concerned cannabis consumers on any things I am forgetting to include or things that I include which maybe shouldn't be.

I ask that any critiques be PM'ed to me, so that this current thread doesn't turn into a thread on editing and remains focused on this grow method. It shouldn't be too long before the new thread is tight and ready to go.

The first part, which I just finished, is basically just the introduction, and not neccesarily the complete introduction...I just got tired of typing and such...so this is what we start with. Lets give it a go.