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Hal
Hey Lofty...
I would defer to Atmosphere regarding writing up a grow guide at this point...although I don't think there is all that much to write up that is very different from the general grow guides advice for growing cannabis. The most important info, I believe, is how the particular strains respond to this lighting regimen. I only have 2 strains that I can comment on right now, Atmosphere probably has many more than that. Haggis might have a few too. But, that would be a good thing we could do right now....everyone who has grown any strains this way, please list the strains and how they responded, did they stay short? Did they grow "pole shaped," or did they get branchy? ETC.
Hey Creeptic...
Regarding the ferts...I'm not sure what kind of soil you are using, and that probably has a lot to do with the fert schedule, so I will just tell you what I have been doing. I use Foxfarm Ocean Forest soil, I think it is an organic mix, and I grow in real small pots (not sure of volume, maybe about 1 liter, but they measure 5" square and 6" tall with about 1.5" of rocks in the bottoms), and I mix my soil with perlite at a ratio of 2/3 soil to 1/3 perlite.
I don't use ferts until about 2 weeks into the flower phase (the soil has plenty of nutrients in it at the beginning)...so thats about week 5 for the total age of the plant. I have been using Pureblend Pro fruit and flower for soil, and I started right off with the suggested amount for flowering (many say you should start at 1/4 or 1/2 strenght) and didn't see any ill effects (that might have a lot to do with the strain I'm growing though). I have to water my girls every 2 days, probably because I am growing in such small containers and they dry out fast, and I used ferted water every 3rd watering, and just plain PH'ed water for the other 2. I will stop using ferts about 2 weeks before chop to flush.
That is my way, but I'm sure there are others.
I would defer to Atmosphere regarding writing up a grow guide at this point...although I don't think there is all that much to write up that is very different from the general grow guides advice for growing cannabis. The most important info, I believe, is how the particular strains respond to this lighting regimen. I only have 2 strains that I can comment on right now, Atmosphere probably has many more than that. Haggis might have a few too. But, that would be a good thing we could do right now....everyone who has grown any strains this way, please list the strains and how they responded, did they stay short? Did they grow "pole shaped," or did they get branchy? ETC.
Hey Creeptic...
Regarding the ferts...I'm not sure what kind of soil you are using, and that probably has a lot to do with the fert schedule, so I will just tell you what I have been doing. I use Foxfarm Ocean Forest soil, I think it is an organic mix, and I grow in real small pots (not sure of volume, maybe about 1 liter, but they measure 5" square and 6" tall with about 1.5" of rocks in the bottoms), and I mix my soil with perlite at a ratio of 2/3 soil to 1/3 perlite.
I don't use ferts until about 2 weeks into the flower phase (the soil has plenty of nutrients in it at the beginning)...so thats about week 5 for the total age of the plant. I have been using Pureblend Pro fruit and flower for soil, and I started right off with the suggested amount for flowering (many say you should start at 1/4 or 1/2 strenght) and didn't see any ill effects (that might have a lot to do with the strain I'm growing though). I have to water my girls every 2 days, probably because I am growing in such small containers and they dry out fast, and I used ferted water every 3rd watering, and just plain PH'ed water for the other 2. I will stop using ferts about 2 weeks before chop to flush.
That is my way, but I'm sure there are others.
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Haggis123
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As said previously I'm growing Nirvana AK48 in hydro (rockwool with clay balls)
The AK has stayed real short, currently around 13 inches and is growing like a pole with very minimal side branching.
I would say it's a good strain for this method and micro-growing.
Will keep ya all updated when it's been pulled on the finishing size, weight etc.
The AK has stayed real short, currently around 13 inches and is growing like a pole with very minimal side branching.
I would say it's a good strain for this method and micro-growing.
Will keep ya all updated when it's been pulled on the finishing size, weight etc.
that sounds great Harris as i've got ak47. is there any chance of som pics of wat thay look like now, i've only ever grown 40" + tall ak and they r very busy. wud b nice to c wat they look like just pole shape.
Hal i agree if u can grow theres not much else, but as Harris and others hav stated there is need for clarification on food strength and switch over time from veg nutes to bloom nutes.
Hal i agree if u can grow theres not much else, but as Harris and others hav stated there is need for clarification on food strength and switch over time from veg nutes to bloom nutes.
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Hal
Lofty...
go back to the previous page...13...Haggis has a pick of his AK48 girl, taken a day or so ago.
go back to the previous page...13...Haggis has a pick of his AK48 girl, taken a day or so ago.
atmosphere
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Its obvious that the Indica dominant strains wil give you really short plants,less than 20 inch tall in most cases because thier stretch time is shorter than the Sativa dominant strains .
There is no reason to use veg ferts at all . Flowering ferts still contain enough Nitrogen . When to start feeding depends on the amount and sort of soil you use . start your seeds in pour soil with a low EC , just like in nature where the upper soil layer is flushed through by rain and thefore contains very little ferts.
Something about soil
I know a guy ,that went looking for the original wild Cannabis plants in the Nepal mountains ( hymalaya ) ,after a week of surching (with expedition team) in the mountains he finally found them . These plants have servived by themselves for thousands of years and are an ideal example for best plant . He took samples of soil from there to take home with him for examination . It turned out there was a lot of clay in it !! Thats why i use up to 30 % natural clay in my soil because it sa very usefull compound for lots of reasons .
Back to the 12/12 thing : No veg time means no time to recover if mistakes are made . So you better start with the right values and lots of light, and so on because with this method this is even more important . You should start with lots of seeds to be able to waste a few / to throw out the ones that are poor growers, i call this pre-selecting .
There is no reason to use veg ferts at all . Flowering ferts still contain enough Nitrogen . When to start feeding depends on the amount and sort of soil you use . start your seeds in pour soil with a low EC , just like in nature where the upper soil layer is flushed through by rain and thefore contains very little ferts.
Something about soil
I know a guy ,that went looking for the original wild Cannabis plants in the Nepal mountains ( hymalaya ) ,after a week of surching (with expedition team) in the mountains he finally found them . These plants have servived by themselves for thousands of years and are an ideal example for best plant . He took samples of soil from there to take home with him for examination . It turned out there was a lot of clay in it !! Thats why i use up to 30 % natural clay in my soil because it sa very usefull compound for lots of reasons .
Back to the 12/12 thing : No veg time means no time to recover if mistakes are made . So you better start with the right values and lots of light, and so on because with this method this is even more important . You should start with lots of seeds to be able to waste a few / to throw out the ones that are poor growers, i call this pre-selecting .
atmosphere
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About good strains for this method :
A few years ago i started selecting plants (for seed production ) that reacted the best on the 12/12 method.
pic taken about 5 weeks from th efirst signs of flowering
I used the second plant on the left because she had a great bud and flowered fast with this method. Amazing that it can produce so much bud with that few leaves .
just Another 12/12 from seed plant to prove once again the results can be great .
A few years ago i started selecting plants (for seed production ) that reacted the best on the 12/12 method.
pic taken about 5 weeks from th efirst signs of flowering
I used the second plant on the left because she had a great bud and flowered fast with this method. Amazing that it can produce so much bud with that few leaves .
just Another 12/12 from seed plant to prove once again the results can be great .
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these were put into 12/12 after 2 weeks veg. Fed them terracycle worm poop for that time then switched to floranova bloom. This seems to be working fine no defficiancy. these have been switched for 3 weeks now but only shown sex for about 2 weeks. I just transplanted last night from smaller 4 inch pots to these no signs of stress. Theres about 110 watts mostly red spectrem a little blue. I have been keepin them tied down to encourage the lower growth and even the cannopy.
Haggis123
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atmosphere said:About good strains for this method :
A few years ago i started selecting plants (for seed production ) that reacted the best on the 12/12 method.
pic taken about 5 weeks from th efirst signs of flowering
I used the second plant on the left because she had a great bud and flowered fast with this method. Amazing that it can produce so much bud with that few leaves .
just Another 12/12 from seed plant to prove once again the results can be great .
Those are mighty fine looking plants there atmosphere, I don't think mine are going to look anywhere as good as those.......one drooling haggis..
atmosphere, i wish i cud shake yr hand, u r the man how can talk the talk and walk the walk. than is fantatic, i'm really buzzin to get on with itnow. i normally grow 4big plants in a 8 x 8 foot space but next week i'm talking it all down adding 2 mor lites and i've got 50 plants waiting to root then sraight in 
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brill job there atosphere!
.brill job there atosphere!
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Hal
atmosphere said:
Those are superb plants Atmosphere! Anybody looking at that photo can no longer question the validity of this method.
About those seeds...have you considered making them available to other 12/12 from seed growers? I bet you would get some serious interest (Me, Me!!) from this thread...I'd be willing to buy them. When I started growing this way, I shortly began thinking that one could breed for characteristics that would be ideal for this method...yet those characteristics are typically not desired for traditional grow methods...well, at least the plant size characteristics. I guess SOG growers would also be interested in your specialty seeds, even if they go for the traditional veg phase.
You should really consider selling those beans. I can't realistically expect to get into any kind of a breeding program...just don't have the space.
atmosphere
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The same grow at the end , almost time to harvest .
This cabin has a floor surface of just 24 inches by 32 inches
( almost 0,5 sqare meter)
As you can see you can use lots of plants , they dont grow very wide .
yield: somewhere between 300 and 350 grams, wich is not bad in such a small cabin. I could have used the lamp more efficient by growing in a larger space (suited for 400 or 600 watts HPS)
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atmosphere
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Untill they show sex they are in very small pots :
Or a little larger ones :
After removing the females i plant the ones that most likely will become females in one large container o fabout 150 liters of soil .
when your seeds germed at the same day the males will clearly show sex before the females do, in most cases . This means that the plants that do not show sex yet will be females. so i can repot the females aerlier wich is very important ,i want them to have lots of root space as soon as possible .
small pots will slow down development ,eccept for the first few weeks, i want to avoid that .
The soils are home made
I start nutes after about 5 weeks from seed . - Guano extract , not home made cause it takes a special method to get from the guano what you want .
I also use bacterial ,wich are nutrifying bacteria. and at the end half of the recommended dosis of pk 13/14 . And that about all . I try to make my soil as self regulating as possible ,this way i won't overfeed.
Ofcause there is a lot more to tell about selfregulation and nutes .
Or a little larger ones :
After removing the females i plant the ones that most likely will become females in one large container o fabout 150 liters of soil .
when your seeds germed at the same day the males will clearly show sex before the females do, in most cases . This means that the plants that do not show sex yet will be females. so i can repot the females aerlier wich is very important ,i want them to have lots of root space as soon as possible .
small pots will slow down development ,eccept for the first few weeks, i want to avoid that .
The soils are home made
I start nutes after about 5 weeks from seed . - Guano extract , not home made cause it takes a special method to get from the guano what you want .
I also use bacterial ,wich are nutrifying bacteria. and at the end half of the recommended dosis of pk 13/14 . And that about all . I try to make my soil as self regulating as possible ,this way i won't overfeed.
Ofcause there is a lot more to tell about selfregulation and nutes .
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Hal
Time To Make The Switch
Time To Make The Switch
OK everybody....
Its time to make the switch to the new "12/12 From Seed" thread.
I realize that there are negatives involved with leaving THIS thread that has been going nicely for some weeks now. But this thread was initiated as a question about whether the subject matter could be given some kind of "Advanced Status" for a few different reasons. A new thread, designed to actually inform growers about this method, will be better than the one we have now.
I asked for feedback concerning some of the write-ups I had done...but really nobody is giving much feedback, except for a couple of folks. And working this out amongst ourselves, in this sporadic posting fashion, is proving to be immensely inefficient. I think to really do this would require the bunch of us sitting around a table, and that just isn't possible. So its time to make the jump!
Whatever design the new thread has, it will be at least a little bit more useful than the current thread, and if the design I come up with is lacking is certain aspects, maybe the administators of IC will assist in tidying it up.
So...Please help by keeping your eye out for the new thread. It will be titled, simply, "12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow." I would really like to use that fantastic photo from Atmosphere in the initial post, that photo says SO MUCH about what is possible when you grow this way.
See ya in the new thread.
Time To Make The Switch
OK everybody....
Its time to make the switch to the new "12/12 From Seed" thread.
I realize that there are negatives involved with leaving THIS thread that has been going nicely for some weeks now. But this thread was initiated as a question about whether the subject matter could be given some kind of "Advanced Status" for a few different reasons. A new thread, designed to actually inform growers about this method, will be better than the one we have now.
I asked for feedback concerning some of the write-ups I had done...but really nobody is giving much feedback, except for a couple of folks. And working this out amongst ourselves, in this sporadic posting fashion, is proving to be immensely inefficient. I think to really do this would require the bunch of us sitting around a table, and that just isn't possible. So its time to make the jump!
Whatever design the new thread has, it will be at least a little bit more useful than the current thread, and if the design I come up with is lacking is certain aspects, maybe the administators of IC will assist in tidying it up.
So...Please help by keeping your eye out for the new thread. It will be titled, simply, "12/12 From Seed: A Different Way To Grow." I would really like to use that fantastic photo from Atmosphere in the initial post, that photo says SO MUCH about what is possible when you grow this way.
See ya in the new thread.
atmosphere
Member
You can use my pic , thats fine with me.
atmosphere
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some more possible pics for the new threat
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Hal
Hey Atmosphere...
Nice photos dude! Is that second photo of a seeded bud? It looks different from the others...maybe more bumpy? Those would all look great in the new thread, as would any and all of your posts.
Speaking of that....Could you possibly post these photos in the new thread? I am unable to copy them from these posts and put them into the new thread in their photograph form. I can only seem to post a link to them...and that isn't as nice as having the actual photograph right there in the post.
Catch ya on the other pathway.
Nice photos dude! Is that second photo of a seeded bud? It looks different from the others...maybe more bumpy? Those would all look great in the new thread, as would any and all of your posts.
Speaking of that....Could you possibly post these photos in the new thread? I am unable to copy them from these posts and put them into the new thread in their photograph form. I can only seem to post a link to them...and that isn't as nice as having the actual photograph right there in the post.
Catch ya on the other pathway.
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So your all organic with that grow? If so its funny that people try to spend so much money on nutes and dont get results like that. Soil, bat guano and bacteria for breakdown and thats it?
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