New part-time thread.

[GMT]

Well here are other peeps plants, making an entrance into the thread. SOL Blockhead and Afropips Malberino, both may well be too sativaish for me, but they are to be used in an experiment. As you know, I like tris, especially hard hitting tris, but these are striclty bi-foliar, how much influence does a male have on structure alone? Well if we take a male trifoliar and cross him with a female bi-foliar, how often will the resulting seeds be trifoliar? We have done it the other way around here, and the results are - not often, without using several generations, so lets try it this way. Here are the candidates, only one of each, so any boys here will be killed.

Now back to mine, here is an obo x nutcruncher, grown for smoke, I want to see the effect that nutcruncher has on obo in terms of effect. Still unsexed but under 12/12 lights.

And now the unveiling of (what I hope will become) the tri bride of a tri. This is yet another tri bruised berry.

Pretty isn't she (fingers crossed).
More bruised nuts soaking.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Absolutely gorgeous GMT! Fab macro there!

I was wondering in a similar fashion - are the tri genes sex linked in some fashion either in frequency or intensity of expression. I guess you will find out pretty soon!

Since you're limiting height anyway, have you considered keeping them on 12/12 during germination and the first 2-3 weeks to try to increase female yield? Just curious...

Another interesting variant on your experiments, Dr PotKenStein

 

[GMT]

Well, I used to be convinced that the tri gene was linked to female plants, I came to think that that was due to the first tri expression that I found being in a female plant, just one branch on a multi topped plant, and as I took that branch and cloned and bred it, that the tri gene was passed down that side of the genetic information. That was until I got my fist tri male. When that particular male refused to drop pollen for me, I became convinced that I was right, and that male tri's would not be viable as breedding plants, and that I would need to continue breeding tri females with the male offspring of tri's to try and isolate that gene and force a genetic re-write. Then I got a male tri plant that did drop pollen. Then I got another one, and I felt that I had ben really lucky, as the second was one that I really liked and wanted to keep to breedd with. Then I got 2 more, all males, and now I am just looking for another female plant. I have come to beleive that the sex of plants is not determined at the creation of the seed. There may be a genetic predisposition, but I feel that something in the environment is to blame for the sex. I dont know if it is due to the length of the light, the variance in the length of the light, the temperatures that the seedling experiences, or the pheramones that the older / other plants around it put out. I am leaning towards the last of these, although I am not convinced yet. If it is the last option, then that would explain why I have my last round of males as they were all raised around females, (the need to breed forcing males to be needed), and so this little one will spend its nights with the boys, and days under the HPS. It will also get sleep, but its not going to quite get 12 hours a night. More a case of 4 hours here and 4 there, with an occasional full 12 hours sleep around every 4 or 5 days. No real structure to it, just as it feels right. I used to keep everything under 12/12 as I only had 1 chamber which I flowered in. However now I need to keep males and reveg interesting plants, so I have the male chamber to. So I want to use that to try and force a girl, due to my little self delusion about that possability. If it works, as usual, I'll think I am a step nearer to understanding all this, if it doesn't I'll think up new ways to delude myself.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

gmt - great post! Don't forget, conscious delusion = theory :wink:

IMO finding things to try is just plain fun!

 

[GMT]

Yeah, except playing with grafting just left me a few branches lighter. And as for that cloning in plain water nonsense, that's a really bad idea in my opinion. All I got was soggy cuts after weeks of waiting. Oh and both the malberino and blockhead were gifted to the gods, the malberino due to numbers and finding a girl I can use for yield elsewhere, and the blockhead coz the first pheno was a skinny leaf and that's not what I want. Besides I'm tired of running out of smoke because I did seeds last time or I got boys or whatever, so I'm concentrating on smoke now, and the BB tri x BB tri which will be the last dedicated tri seeds run I try out. I'm keeping the tri nutcruncher in the wings, but the male BB once he has been used will go, and only f2s from there on in will be used as I'm getting tired of this generation now I've been using them for the last 12 months. The height limiting method I'm using is the old, resitricted roots trick. The maximisation of yield for my smoking girl is the multi top and supercrop method. Pics once we all settle in again. I'm down to 5 plants now due to nerves over all this shit that's been going down. And if I'm honest, I'm not very comfortable posting even this at the moment, most know where I've been hanging, gotta say I dont feel at home anywhere yet, not the way I used to feel about this place. Hopefully I'll start to see posts that remind me of why I gained so much respect for gypsy and dg again soon.

 

[GMT]

Well that didn't take long, I'm happy again. Here's an outdated update pic. I'll start to take some more again.
This is that obo x nutcruncher that I'm using for smoke and a young tri bb.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya GMT!

> gotta say I dont feel at home anywhere yet, not the way I used to feel about this place <

Man, I hear ya on that one! My experience too. Other places seemed ok, but I didn't find myself itching to snap pictures and post.

> I'm getting tired of this generation now I've been using them for the last 12 months. <

No doubt - that's a long run! Hope you can find a good approach that will net you enough meds...

No matter - I'm sure whatever approach you take, it will be attention grabbing IMO!

 

[GMT]

I hope this plant is quick, here's an up to date side and top shot. It needs repotting again already, topping sure does put pressure on those roots.


Now the male (revegged tri) bb and unsexed target tri bb.

 

[baccas125]

Nice to see an update GMT.

 

[GMT]

Thanks Baccas, nice to be able to do an update on this thread.

 

[packn2puff]

More bruised nuts soaking.

Man TML16 really sat on you hard..did't realize there was injuries..

I've wondered about the predetermined sex thing as well..is it just a genetic flip of the coin or can it be influenced..
feminized seeds would leave you to believe influence is possible..but with a higher chance of hermies..
If environmental influence is possible..putting a plant in a room with a bunch of horny dudes might do it..

 

[GMT]

lmao Pack,
this tri I'm trying to force female still hasn't shown sex, although a younger plant has, female, so now I have a big girl, a little girl 2 males and an unsexed overdue tri, which means that everything is now even on a numbers front, which destroys my plan for forcing the sex. I'm only playing but it would still have been interesting to be able to try it out.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya GMT
Have you tried 12 hours cool flourescents for first month? I've heard that helps, and it seemed to with my am99 3/3 female - I did same to lifesaver for 2 weeks and it wasn't enough 1/3 female...

 

[GMT]

Unfortunatley that would mean having to run a 3rd chamber. I have one on irregular lighting times, (as 12/12 is just too much hassle to stick to), and one on 24 (thats the 15w cfl,) for my male in storage.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hmmm - maybe throw a edge taped cardboard box over the little ones for 12h +/- each day?

Probably doesn't do anything anyway - I'm starting to think these influential variables are like the miracle arthritis cures. They sometimes work, but if they worked all the time everyone would do it. Hmmmm - I gotta go lookup lady luck's address and send her some flowers

 

[GMT]

I tend to think the same way on the miracle cures/methods. But thereagain no balls yet. So a propper peek into the closet is in order I think.

Here's the plant I intended for smoke.


Here she is at home on the bottom left, tri revegged male BB flowering next to her on the bottom right, And father to a few seeds from her as I flowered him a little early, thinking that the new tri would have shown sex by now, and then in a fit of parranioa thinking what if the new tri is male, I pollinated a couple of lower early buds on the smoker girl.


Upper left a new girl just shown sex recently, and on the top right the new tri unsexed. I think that's all for now, The NC Tri Male is still vegging out in the vegging out chamber under dimmed lights. Here's a quick look at the latest bb tri a little closer

I don't know if I tore that leaf or if something had a munch.
er.... more when it happens.

 

[GMT]

Tri bottom left, new girl above, smokey girl to the right, male out of shot.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Man GMT - so green and such a dense bed planting - I'm having a serious case of " I gotta do that sometime..."

They always look very good from here, hope they turn out as you like...

 

[packn2puff]

The bb Tri has those big cool shiny leaves..I remember that one plant you had with the so-shiny-they-look-fake leaves..so fat and full..very indica like, like this one..
So far most of my pheno's appear like your smoker..that hybrid look..
The fat bush..fat leave plants are my favorites for looking at..a tri like that just pushes her status to beauty queen..

 

[GMT]

Thanks guys,
The mother of the smoker was a tasty (but not potent) tri obo, it's father was reefermans nutcruncher (Airbournes G13 cut x RM's own ibl afghani). It'll be interesting to test her.
I should have kept a cut of the plant you are refering to pack, but she molded up that quickly, and at the time I was depserate to find a male, so I let her go. This plant looks and has grown very similarly so far, but unfortunately it is putting out preflowers that are so far looking very male. I have been fooled before at this stage, but the bb's tend to shout about being girls straight away, the only reason I am unsure so far is that they only seem to be singular little buds without hairs whereas the males tend to form in clusters. 48 hours will tell. If it is a guy, I have 3 guys that I would be happy to use as fathers now, none that I want to use as mothers really, but I did pollinate the lower popcorn buds on my smoker with my other tri bb boy. I'll get some better daylight pics of the new tri bb once I know anything.