New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Sunfire]

and after seeing it in person at chalice I was literally laughing when I walked past it...a machine the size of a mini fridge with a pressure plate that was only slightly larger than a hair straightener!!! LOL get it while the getting's good I suppose, I literally walked away laughing...but the booth was crowded.

I didn't want to say anything...
I will say though they did put the most thought into their design. Much more then the like 8 other presses being pushed to market. I think that press is 3 ton, which means they have 3k psi with the 2 square inch tea bag. Not positive though but high pressure is key to low temps if you don't have super melty sift or are trying to press flowers.

I like the arbor press for more pressure but the quick clamp allows one handed operation. Hash you should make a video of you slinging two of them like six shooters! Maybe ringo can help you with some wild west cut outs lol! I'm still laughing my ass off about the rock and roll press. My David Bowie model is still on back order!

I'm really sorry I've been busy guys, I really want to get my design into production and at that point you DIY folk can easily duplicate my prototype model for around 300$ to 500$. Life has just been crazy recently. Politics has been out of control! I wonder what blast is up to? Blast, where you at?

Gw you been lurking? Would have been nice to have an intelligent voice in some of the terpene and degredation discussions. Squatting bull seemed to stop watching as well. I tried calling upon him and it didn't work. Maybe I need to replace the bulb in the bat signal?

 

[Sunfire]

The ptfe will not hold like that under higher pressures, especially if the flowers are moist. I was doing a similar thing with the shirt press but at much higher pressures, shit gets crazy. You can make a collection pouch to pool the rosin into but you need a vent or it'll pop. Have the collection pouch hang outside of the plates, material filter bundle should be just smaller then the plates.

Kief has way more expansive properties when pressed.

 

[GanjaPharma]

The ptfe will not hold like that under higher pressures, especially if the flowers are moist. I was doing a similar thing with the shirt press but at much higher pressures, shit gets crazy. You can make a collection pouch to pool the rosin into but you need a vent or it'll pop. Have the collection pouch hang outside of the plates, material filter bundle should be just smaller then the plates.

Kief has way more expansive properties when pressed.

Shirt press is lower pressure than the 600lb Irwin I think..

i got figures below 300lbs from every press I look at.

I spoke w Oil SLick about the temps issue...The reply:

Thanks for your email, I understand your concerns regarding teflon coatings, and their deleterious effects on birds and possibly humans.

Please keep in mind that TEFLON is a trademark held by Dupont. This mark covers over 3,000 fluoropolymer coatings, fabrics, sprays, chemicals, and analogs that are all marketed by DUPONT under the name "Teflon". The spray on coating that is baked onto aluminum pans etc.. is 1) around 1000 times thinner than our Skived material and 2) a combination of PTFE and other polymers quite different than our Slick Sheet.

Our 8mil Slick Sheet is heat skived from a solid rod of PTFE resin, at over 1400F. The continuous operating temperature is 500F.

We have both FDA, and ROHS certification for the slick sheet.
FDA (which concerns food safety) and ROHS (concerning material safety in laboratory and electronics applications).

ROHS sets our operating temp at 800F, FDA at 500F (the highest they test for). We chose to use the lower figure as our published recommendation

 

[heady blunts]

i had one handed operation for a couple oz with the arbor press until i shattered the composite frame backing the plates. i had used that frame for points to fix wire from the arbor press's piston to the top hotplate (bread ties were used to test, you can see them in that photo lol). it was surprisingly sturdy and managed to hold up for almost 2 oz.

i think HMK's solution is awesome. i may have to build one for fun.

the portability is perfect---i thought it was in the seat of your car when i looked at the photo the first few times!

I enjoy what my buddy has been calling "dabs to order" where you press a couple dabs from each person's stash in a social gathering. so fun! HMK's press brings the party to wherever!

i really liked tony vezuera's press in hash church XLI. smart design. he said it's an early prototype and they've made it all digitally controlled and shit now, but the low tech one looks awesome for personal use or caregiver level production.

he had some interesting notes on the gradual application of pressure using a hydraulic press vs. the "punch" of a pneumatic press. his opinion was that gradual was preferable.

ganja- loving the experiments. i often reference that post where you did the 1g presses at diff pressures and displayed them in a row.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

thats true about the incremental pressure being better, especially for high pressure devices, i came to that conclusion too after fooling with my tshirt press. in a t shirt press if you go as tight as you can the pucks flatten so much that they go wider than the oil will spread. gradually putting pressure on it, and not to such a high degree, had far better results. a press design i probably mentioned months ago, would stop the problem of the widening pucks, i think thats a large concern, especially if trying to do large presses..

 

[Sunfire]

Shirt press is lower pressure than the 600lb Irwin I think..

i got figures below 300lbs from every press I look at.

I spoke w Oil SLick about the temps issue...The reply:

What, really, that quick clamp says it does 600 pounds??? Idk about that man, just with your hand on that short trigger/lever? I'm pretty skeptical about that quick clamp doing 600 pounds of force?!?

The issue isn't with temp and ptfe. It's temp plus high pressures. The stuff isn't tested for pressures and we already know hest and pressure can molecularly re-arrange terpenes. I kinda doubt contamination myself but it would be awesome to know for sure or not.

 

[blastfrompast]

I just keep going back to SS mesh....

I did do a bunch of 170' hash in some new mono-poly also just to clean it up as I had a yard kicking around...but I wouldn't push this stuff over 2-220...I used some pretty melty hash and it still left behind 20% in dregs that get turned into medibles...

Not even bothering pressing anything a second time really anymore, the amount I can salvage is so little, i'd rather just add it to some butter.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

What, really, that quick clamp says it does 600 pounds??? Idk about that man, just with your hand on that short trigger/lever? I'm pretty skeptical about that quick clamp doing 600 pounds of force?!?

well if you are the typical consumer, watch this! i am sure you will be convinced by the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h-8FyYWJik

i never tested its pressure in any way. works good though..

 

[heady blunts]

i'm sold. i do wish they had crushed something tho, for dramatic effect.

 

[GanjaPharma]

The issue isn't with temp and ptfe. It's temp plus high pressures. The stuff isn't tested for pressures and we already know hest and pressure can molecularly re-arrange terpenes. I kinda doubt contamination myself but it would be awesome to know for sure or not.

Ok so today...more playing around, this time with live rosin. Tried the ptfe and the holes I made stretched way out...fresh wet material just steamed and was an awful mess.


THEN:
started cannibalizing old bubblebags for screen and back to the drawing board.


Shit load more steam, water, crazy...then, after the pads dried off, some seriously tasty oil. Plants were at seven weeks, just needed a taste!

 

[dabdynasty]

I didn't want to say anything...
I will say though they did put the most thought into their design. Much more then the like 8 other presses being pushed to market. I think that press is 3 ton, which means they have 3k psi with the 2 square inch tea bag. Not positive though but high pressure is key to low temps if you don't have super melty sift or are trying to press flowers.

I like the arbor press for more pressure but the quick clamp allows one handed operation. Hash you should make a video of you slinging two of them like six shooters! Maybe ringo can help you with some wild west cut outs lol! I'm still laughing my ass off about the rock and roll press. My David Bowie model is still on back order!

I'm really sorry I've been busy guys, I really want to get my design into production and at that point you DIY folk can easily duplicate my prototype model for around 300$ to 500$. Life has just been crazy recently. Politics has been out of control! I wonder what blast is up to? Blast, where you at?

Gw you been lurking? Would have been nice to have an intelligent voice in some of the terpene and degredation discussions. Squatting bull seemed to stop watching as well. I tried calling upon him and it didn't work. Maybe I need to replace the bulb in the bat signal?

We have been playing with some different arbor presses and getting great results. We have added a much longer handle on one of our 1ton little guys and almost ripped it off the bench .

The press foundation is using I have posted already. It is a short stroke arbor press and can only delver 1ton of pressure (air-mite model DAP-19). The DAP-38DR can give up to 3ton but is much larger. I had an old DAP19 in the shop that was just sitting around, we had to replace a control valve but it will be up by the end of the weekend. I think the plates they have designed are great. I have been busting my brain to duplicate it, they will not just sell the PID and plates separately. They actually kept deleting my posts and eventually blocked me from their instagram accounts for asking them about it publicly. Seems like they really want to mark up that $900 press.

 

[Sunfire]

well if you are the typical consumer, watch this! i am sure you will be convinced by the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h-8FyYWJik

i never tested its pressure in any way. works good though..

Lmao nice share! OK I'm sold! It can spread too, that's awesome! Now where's the u tube video of you and ringo doing a wild west shoot out?!?!?

 

[Sunfire]

Ok so today...more playing around, this time with live rosin. Tried the ptfe and the holes I made stretched way out...fresh wet material just steamed and was an awful mess.


THEN:
started cannibalizing old bubblebags for screen and back to the drawing board.

Shit load more steam, water, crazy...then, after the pads dried off, some seriously tasty oil. Plants were at seven weeks, just needed a taste!

Lmfao that's hilariois, I didn't even think to let the water dry! That's really cool to see that can even be done. When I had a watery mess I just tossed the while thing in the trash! Does the rosin taste weird though? The more moist presses always have this weird taste to it, I cant exactly pit my finger on it but I don't really like it. Did you make an attempt to more throughly dry the rosin itself? Did all the extra water make the rosin run far and thin on the pad?

OK so about incremental pressure...

first off, what was the press on hash church? The straight gold one? Has a 12 ton air assisted bottle jack sitting underneath rediculously large plates? If it's that same press, I've seen it on ig, it scares me, the frame needs to be stout. I already had one frame explode on me and it was extremely scary! I think the worse nightmare for a manufacturer will be if some one gets hurt or killed. Lawsuits could ruin you.

I honestly feel the statements about it being better because the pressure can be fractioned is a bunch or uneducated marketing bullshit to cut down on the ape/aqualabs press. Its just a matter of happenstance that they are using that bottle jack over pneumatic. A bottle jack certainly is less expensive too. Once the filtration game is dialed, and blow outs are no longer a concern, high pressure achieved faster seems to me to be the goal for many reasons;
1) the greater pressure seems to transfer the heat through the material faster as you have now pushed out insulating atmosphere and made the material denser so it transfers heat better and faster.
2) the longer the material sits exposed to the heat, the more degredation will happen and the more terps will be lost. Smaller presses done faster seem to yield a better and more consistent product.
3) cranking up the pressure from the start seems to help bleed the rosin further from the filter in a faster manner. Allowing for less product to be stuck to the filter and consequently lost.

when im lazy and just pressing flowers that are moist with just a coffee filter and on ptfe, I gradually apply the pressure just for the sake of blow out. The rosin seems to never flow very far from the filter, I guess if you had plates much larger then the filter bundle that won't be an issue but then you are just further degrading the product as it sits in hot plates while the pressure is being slowly added. I feel bad for the rosin that comes out last as its now been exposed to heat way longer then necessary.

incrementing heat on the other hand I think is a great idea. I've gotten three grades from one filter sachel by pressing at different heats. That was in the sour D presses, after this weekend I might finally have time to document all that. The first presses however rob the terps from the later presses. I have it down now to do two presses. The second at higher temps just helps get more product out. I'm still only getting about 50% return with the 180u tumbled not melty at all kief that visually has little hairs and contaminants. First low temp press yielded 35 grams, second higher temp yielded an additional 20 grams. Second press at higher temp for sure has way less terps. Would be a great candidate for terpene reintroduction or maybe use it for edibles and decarb it? Decarbing rosin in a double boiler makes some really awesome honeycomb dot box patterns!

As blast said though, maybe one press is the better way to go? Idk myself, lots of experiments to do still. I think it will depend on the artist's desires really. Which is why it's cool I think to have different press designs because not everyone will want the same thing. I was showing a homey the super budder and half budder from the sour D. Even after I explained how the yields were insanely low and it robs all the terps from the remaining resins, he said he didn't care and wants me to make a bunch from his next harvest just for head stash. To some people, getting only like a 10% return as opposed to 50%, just for the sake of a super terpy dab, will be unacceptable.

 

[heady blunts]

foundation put their press up for official pre-order on their IG.

the press on hash church sounds like a tiny version of that one you described. the plates were maybe 4"x5"x1", heated with a torch he said. bottle jack under the plates pushing a floating bottom plate into a fixed top plate.

I hear you about the potential for catastrophic failure when pressing up. first concern of mine as well.

 

[Sunfire]

We have been playing with some different arbor presses and getting great results. We have added a much longer handle on one of our 1ton little guys and almost ripped it off the bench .

The press foundation is using I have posted already. It is a short stroke arbor press and can only delver 1ton of pressure (air-mite model DAP-19). The DAP-38DR can give up to 3ton but is much larger. I had an old DAP19 in the shop that was just sitting around, we had to replace a control valve but it will be up by the end of the weekend. I think the plates they have designed are great. I have been busting my brain to duplicate it, they will not just sell the PID and plates separately. They actually kept deleting my posts and eventually blocked me from their instagram accounts for asking them about it publicly. Seems like they really want to mark up that $900 press.

I know they went through hell to get the plates to heat evenly and accurately.

your in mendo? We should talk about other non rosin things. Like zip tie registration, feds, AB266, and Hezekiah and the EGA and that 86,500 plant bust. In pm or on the one of the politics threads here.

but we should also talk about making plates if you think you can handle that? Was going to try to re-attract the ape man's attention with a 2k psi one pound press of kief and see if I could get them to make me plates. But I'm open to other ideas and people, I have what I believe to be some good ideas for even and accurate heating.

foundation is just a friend of the ape man. I've told ape before how that guy is poor representation of the press and company. Too many people asking easily answered questions. If that guy took just 2 minutes a day to tell people where to buy the tea bags, they would have sold thousands more. I only use instagram to keep an eye on things, I had to stop commenting on people's posts. I think Tony and straight extracts don't like me anymore lol! Too much ego that can't match a logically deductive arguement or basic math hehehe!

I will say in my opinion that the aqualabs press has the most thought behind it. The other 8 or so I've seen are just glorified hair irons really. In 3 years when everyone's patents clear, if they even get one, the technology of this industry will hopefully be more advanved. Some guy on ig has been talking to me about some proprietary biological solution that will eat all the plant matter and leave behind only the resins. I think he's gonna do a test run soon, we will see how that goes. I'm personally hoping for a micro laser CnC machine. Controlled by a super computer that can target the leaves to trim the buds, then later target the trichrome stalks to knock off all the heads. That'd be fun to watch!

 

[heady blunts]

whoa I like your future vision sf.

 

[Sunfire]

APE put their press up for official pre-order on their IG.

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the press on hash church sounds like a tiny version of that one you described. the plates were maybe 4"x5"x1", heated with a torch he said. bottle jack under the plates pushing a floating bottom plate into a fixed top plate.

Heated with a torch???? Wow that sounds like accurate heating alright!

What about the paper droop on the edges? Does all the product just sit on the hot plates the whole time?

See how the aqualabs press has the bottom slab of metal that extends passed the bottom plate? That's so your paper can sit flat cause having droopy paper on the edges can make things a mess. Their design allows for the rosin coming out to not be exposed to heat of the plates during the whole press. The filter bundle needs to be just smaller then the entire plate.

Instagram sure helps show some truths, a picture is worth a thousand words and small details in the pics can show a lot of what's really going on. It's hilarious to see the guru's shitty little gardens that show they have no outdoor growing experience. Especially the breeders who I once thought were bad ass, but now I see they grow ten time smaller and less plants with less desirable conditions than most of the people where I live.

I'm still stoked on your guys' quick clamp presses! Using the hair iron plates was a stellar idea! For the cost, that's a supreme design for smaller at home users. You guys should hurry up and get that design to market, the trick will be to just make it look pretty like it wasn't a home build. Sell it in a little padded gun case with cutouts for a small dab rig! Mobile rosin kit!

 

[Lyfespan]

think i just stumbled on to 2 pieces of equipment that might change a few things, will be trying to set up a rough trial sometime next week. the hard part will be getting the silicone molded. i think solved my blow out issue permanently, was a stupid thing i saw that set that trick in to motion.

Have to thank Bubbleman and hashchurch for the idea spring board of sorts from their hydraulic press unit.

love that irwin press that was inventive

 

[Sunfire]

Lol dude many people have already made hydraulic presses. Ringo made one like a month ago or more. I've made several starting like 3 months ago. If you troll around on ig enough you'll find all sorts or presses. Rest assured we arnt the only ones doing this stuff. I try to remain open to the idea that any day someone is going to come out with a sweet press utilizing concepts no on has even dreamed about yet. There's always hidden little pockets and I feel that the main point of this thread is to make a larger less hidden pocket that everyone can share and discuss ideas.

Whatever your doing just make sure the frame can withstand the force.

Idk what your up to but keep in mind silicone is very flexible. If your using it for a seal or gasket of sorts, keep the flexibility in mind.

There's a company that sells kits to mold your own silicone. Is food grade silicone that comes in bulk and you can make your own molds and shape it as you wish. It's actually really easy to mold silicone. I know a lot of people who make organite and have made some extremely cool molds of their own. Sweetest one I've seen yet was a skull. Idk the company though but I'm sure you can easily Google it if you havnt already, hope this isn't a bunch of crap you already knew lol!

 

[cyphaman]

Its a nice unit, but they are just reselling the air mite press, and adding the little heated plates lol......i bet its stupid expensive...

I got myself a 4700lbs force pneumatic press and it has a perfect plate size about 6 " long and only 2" wide and I will need two more for heating just as Foundation does in their vids. I am having issues getting it running but it has a pressure regulator, 2 handed start stop, and only cost me 200 bucks. Really hoping that we can get it started this weekend.

Cant wait to report back on how this improves yields from the T shirt press!