New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Grey_Fox]

Thanks for the input good sir. Been reading on these forums for a little bit now and its good to see the constructive sources of innovation at work.

As for the design i had in mind.
The threading would travel maybe halfway or something along those lines then bridge the space with straight rod the rest of the way I was hoping to use a metal for the cylinder and plunger that is non conductive and probably not stainless steel as I heard having stainless steel on a different metal threading can help resolve the issues of stainless on stainless threading. Just need to find what works best with high pressures between the two metal threadings once conductive heat is applied to the stainless and convection heat seeps to the cylinder.
I was hoping to have some sort of vacuumed collection with either air or steam pressure flowing threw the whole unit to the collection tank as heat is applied. As the whole thing is being clamped the collection would be closed off so pressure could build up during the compression of the whole tube. Not sure if it is better to heat while pressure if being applied or heat after pressure has already been applied. But I was hoping to compress then heat the pressure plate. Release the valve to the collection and run air or steam through the whole unit into the collection pot being pulled under vacuum.(not sure if steam is even viable, was something I wanted to try to see what would happen under high pressures through a mesh screen rated for the job.)
I was hoping the added air or steam pressure would better remove more of the tasty things we want but was hoping to get a bunch of input from this fine community.
Was wondering if there is a perfect size for a tube to allow oil to flow through cleanly without much residual left behind needing to be cleaned up later.

 

[Grey_Fox]

another style of press I was thinking of would be a concave and convex twisted rod rotating the material through while the rods are heated. the male and female end I am hoping could be positioned in such a way as to push the oils downward away from the heat source? Maybe a trench system with screen to filter oils into an airpath which pushes it away from the heat source?

Sorry if this is a double post. Was just putting out a different idea as opposed to the one I put forward. Hoping I can spark some mad science in some of you guys : D

 

[Sunfire]

It's truly not easy to achieve a paperless design.

 

[Lyfespan]

so that means its settling, or what?

it means its unnerving as fuck to have my information listed with him

 

[Lyfespan]

The pressurized steam or atmosphere concept would seem hard to accomplish. Actually pushing steam though material under a 1k psi of pressure might be a trick. Any vacuum applied to the heated product would burn off more terps. The design seemed simple at first lol!

You second design seems a lot like a screw press which breeder steve was all over at first, by I havnt heard a word from him in a long long time

I wouldn't recommend too many channels. Any surface the rosin touches that isn't the final collection surface is going to need cleaning and will result in over all loss of product.

It's truly not easy to achieve a paperless design.

or to roll it down onto a silicone collection sleeve and collect it from there see where im headed

 

[Grey_Fox]

The pressurized steam or atmosphere concept would seem hard to accomplish. Actually pushing steam though material under a 1k psi of pressure might be a trick. Any vacuum applied to the heated product would burn off more terps. The design seemed simple at first lol!

You second design seems a lot like a screw press which breeder steve was all over at first, by I havnt heard a word from him in a long long time

I wouldn't recommend too many channels. Any surface the rosin touches that isn't the final collection surface is going to need cleaning and will result in over all loss of product.

It's truly not easy to achieve a paperless design.

I'm not sure if I was going to use air or steam assist. I was just thinking that some form of agitation while it was under pressure would help remove more of the goodies and push it all through to a collection. can oils be pushed through with air without giving off terps when it starts to heat up? since its under pressure instead of a vacuum?

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

it means its unnerving as fuck to have my information listed with him

i guess that could be taken both ways.

 

[Sunfire]

And it's believed Hezekiah was data mining people's info from contact lists of different organizations. The name, phone number, and email of conformed growers can fetch a worthy price. That was the first thing that tipped us to tell him to get lost, caught red handed trying to steal.patient and member data.

 

[Grey_Fox]

Correct me if I'm wrong but im trying to figure out exactly what would happen to 40f water vapours under pressure. Would they want to sublimate into a gas or freeze back into a solid? Since it is around the freezing/melting point of water wouldn't the pressure cause one action to occur?

 

[Grey_Fox]

just did some research of my own to try and refresh my high school physics course . Anyway water doesn't freeze at +4 it was -4 to 0 I was thinking of. at +4 degrees which is around 40F the water is at its highest density which puts it in a weird state of expansion and contraction which cancels itself out. Is the water being in this state while under pressure what is allowing him to remove terps?
I am unaware of any of this guys stuff, but is he pulling all the essential oils or just the terps?

 

[blastfrompast]

Y'all might wanna think about using 2 kinds of metals at once...

Diff metals, diff heating properties....also look into diff types of heaters, diff shapes are available if you look around...

Everything can be bought off the shelf mostly.

Only issue is getting it to flow where you want it... instead of squishing everywhere...

U shoulda saw our first press, rosin squishing out every single gap.....cool but hard to collect..lol

And Word is that the oil seed impeller press is working quite well, tho they are expensive to purchase, before RND to get them to work with flowers or hash.

 

[Sunfire]

just did some research of my own to try and refresh my high school physics course . Anyway water doesn't freeze at +4 it was -4 to 0 I was thinking of. at +4 degrees which is around 40F the water is at its highest density which puts it in a weird state of expansion and contraction which cancels itself out. Is the water being in this state while under pressure what is allowing him to remove terps?
I am unaware of any of this guys stuff, but is he pulling all the essential oils or just the terps?

@tverzura check it out for yourself. I have no clue really. He claims to able to do a half liter of terps per hour!

Lmao I was unaware that were other oils involved beside the terps and the resins!

Roji is actually neighbors with that Delbert guy who's supposedly an avid terpene collector but I don't think he shares any tech. I just couldn't see how a closed loop system at such low temps can use water vapor to successfully extract terps at that insane rate.

 

[Sunfire]

is there somewhere you've been watching?

 

[Sunfire]

#sustainableextracts

 

[GrassMan]

FYI
https://www.google.co.il/patents/US...ved=0CBsQ6AEwAGoVChMIoYyfxrzsxgIViYwNCh1hawVO

 

[Sunfire]

FYI
https://www.google.co.il/patents/US...ved=0CBsQ6AEwAGoVChMIoYyfxrzsxgIViYwNCh1hawVO

It says it's a US patent but there's Spanish on the top right? My patent lawyer needs different prior arts search company, this didn't pop up! Ultrasonic welders are like 10 grand and seem to be low pressure. They specifically say the purpose is to decarb, we are trying to do the opposite by flowing the rosin away from the heat source. Sounds super dangerous as well, more so then just heat and pressure. I bet they use a lot of electricity too. I'd say just stick with the Irwin clamp and hair iron plates lol!

Sweet post though dude thanks, I wonder where they got 220F for starting point of decarb though? When I decarb rosin in a double boiler it starts way before boiling, I actually don't even let it boil.

 

[heady blunts]

the badkat cannacaps tutorial suggests decarbing at 220. takes under an hour at that temp. we've all seen that decarb graph right?

 

[Sunfire]

Yeah that graph is on my ig account.

 

[blastfrompast]

We used a combo of Aluminum and SS...

we used metal ceramic heaters on the early prototypes. Aluminum is easy to machine...

I will say we had lots of failures, you need to match, heat, and pressing shape/size...and figure out how to get it to go where you want it.... Way harder than it would seem to scale up without just making a big t-shirt press..

 

[Sunfire]

will be nice to keep costs down.