New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Sunfire]

Sun, I forgot the comma, Eldon came up with the idea in Kathmandu in the early 90's.
All we need is a device with hot plates and pressure without safety...

Wow I never knew that...so, is he not walking this plane any longer?

Yeah that's pretty much it, the less safety the better I say. Lets give the cls operators more job security and the press more shit to instill fear in the hearts of the viewers. That lanbc piece about the bho "epidemic" needs to be repeated for rosin!

 

[GanjaPharma]

GANJA PHARMA - nice experiment dude and thanks for sharing! What was exactly the starting material and how are you measuring your temps?

I use a fluke 561 IR thermometer. not at perfect as the VT04 but damn close. My plates (1/2" steel) are black and i am pretty confident of an emissivity of .96 (pretty damn close to 1)

I use an induction hotplate to heat them up all in a stack.

heres a calibration set I did this morning with a bunch of 1g packets of mid grade kief. different temps, same pressure...way different results.



notice the range between white autobudder all the way to dark and sappy...with clear shatter in between.

also: if I keep the temp stable across a range of pressings, the extract result stays the same, no matter how many pressings I do.

here are 3 back to back pressings at 190F. quantity diminishes, but color is the same

first press


the rest

 

[Ringodoggie]

You guys are going to have to show me how you make those packets for the dry sift. Every time I have tried that, the screen absorbs everything and nothing runs out.

The good news is, I made forward strides on 2 fronts, today. Design and technique.

First is on the PTC heaters that I couldn't get to stick to the bottom plate. I tried the soldering with oil trick and it failed miserable. LOL I tried soldering with my hot air soldering station but the Al just wasn't going to cooperate.

So, I fabricated a prototype for a sheet metal cover that holds the heaters in place. It worked great through the tests I ran today so I am going to fab a nicer more exact fit for each top and bottom plate.

First pic below is the fab'd piece sitting on the arbor plate with one heater sitting in it. I can use 1, 2, 3 or 4 heaters (although I have found that 2 are actually a little too much).

Second pic shows the Al plate on top.

Third shows it upside down and the 4th is a profile.

Like I said, it worked great so I believe the concept is solid. I will work out the details on the next model. I am open to any suggestions. I do have some heat shield that I will use to try to direct the heat into the Al and not the steel covers.

I looked around for some sheet metal and all I could find was an old dead microwave. I removed the case and it's a perfect piece of enameled steel. Just the right thickness. Came off just like a computer case. So, unless the enamel finish creates a problem, I'll use this for the base metal for the next model.

While I was tearing apart the microwave, I saw a number of sensors and senders. One of them just about has to be a temperature sensor. I'll be searching part numbers tonight. LOL

If not, I have seen thin film temperature sensors that I could put in between the plates during heat up and when I go to press, I just pull out the sensor and set it aside. I have been looking for an Arduino project and controlling and monitoring the plates might be just the thing.

I also need to buy some high temperature tape. I see high temp tapes available in all flavors and most are good to 600F. Not sure how well the adhesive would actually hold but....it might be an alternative to the metal cover idea. We'll see tomorrow.

The other advance I made is shown in picture 5. I have managed to direct about 90% of the rosin in one direction and have it all collect together. I fold the parchment just bigger than the nuggie with one flap under and one flap over. The nuggie has to stay about an inch forward from the back fold or it breaks out. I put the package between the plates well in front of the piston and the plates close from back to front. This, combined with the side folds on the parchment serving a guides, directs the rosin out one end. I had very consistent results with this method.

I tried different shapes in the packages and most seemed about the same but, little snakes seemed to work the best. LOL

Once I get this tweaked, I'll turn everything on it's side and see if I get the runoff you guys are getting.

I ran 7 grams in my tests today. I pressed each sample 1 time only and got almost a gram of really nice, shatter type rosin. A tiny bit stickier than last tests but I held most of these for 30 seconds instead of 13 seconds. I am going to run some of the flattened remains tomorrow to see what the deal is with the second press.

Fun day. Lots to do tomorrow.

 

[Sunfire]

I use a fluke 561 IR thermometer. not at perfect as the VT04 but damn close. My plates (1/2" steel) are black and i am pretty confident of an emissivity of .96 (pretty damn close to 1)

I use an induction hotplate to heat them up all in a stack.

heres a calibration set I did this morning with a bunch of 1g packets of mid grade kief. different temps, same pressure...way different results.
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=60102&pictureid=1448816&thumb=1]View Image[/url]


notice the range between white autobudder all the way to dark and sappy...with clear shatter in between.

also: if I keep the temp stable across a range of pressings, the extract result stays the same, no matter how many pressings I do.

here are 3 back to back pressings at 190F. quantity diminishes, but color is the same

first press
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=60102&pictureid=1448819&thumb=1]View Image[/url]

the rest

[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=60102&pictureid=1448817&thumb=1]View Image[/url]

Lmfao calibration packets! Dude your killing it! So how long are you thinking that the plates take to initially warm up, and to rewarm after a press?

Could you please share the temps in relation to each sample with you calibrations? It seems like 190F is you preffered temp? I'm impressed you can do that many presses in one day, I'm paranoid the plates won't warm that quick.

So have you considered just doing one long press as opposed to 3 seperate ones?

What kind of press are you using? What size are your plates? What size are your bundles/packets after pressing? How much force are you using? (Last two will give us psi when combined).

Which induction plate are you using? It's hard to find one that doesn't have pre set temps for a good price

This is the best one I have found for the price, as low as 80$. It's got a 8" diameter heat surface, which is decent. 1650 watts 120V which is pretty good. 13 power/temp settings, all others have only 10 or less. There's also a dial, can find much info on that either. I'll have to call and ask. The temp range is from 100F-390F, most other don't start until 140 or 150F. I like the idea of a lower employees to whip in some terpenes or make budder. It won a 2015 comparison out of ten plates tested from "top 10 reviews."
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TT8KTKK/?&tag=ttr_hot_plates-20&ascsubtag=[site|ttr[cat|1241[art|NA[pid|59906[tid|NA[bbc|NA

Ok looks like it's just an infinity knob, the 1885 model is the same thing with buttons instead of the knob for the same price. The lowest power level is 650W so below that it just cycles the time like 1 second on, 5 seconds off. That shouldn't really be a problem should it? That's just like any pid controller?

 

[Sunfire]

RINGO - the trick to the packet is multiple over lapping folds on the edges, and the amount of material put in there. Reduce the actual amount of filter material as much as possible. You need go larger than a gram probably, try for 5 (if you have a hair iron just do as much as you can). You will always lose some to the filter material. Larger presses are more efficient in those regards. It will take some experimenting to figure out exactly how much you can get away with loading up. Too much and it will rupture. I do feel you want as much in there as you can fit so you lose less to the filter material over time, plus why not just get it over with so you only need to do one press as day to support your needs. Experimental and sample presses are different obviously, to save on material, I scaled back the size of everything 75% so I can play more.

Fate had it today that I would play with the essenx100 instead of doing fabrications. I'll skip the details unless yalls wanna chat about it, but it works incredibly well I'd say. No burnt popcorn smell at all but you can maybe tell it's about to start going that way if you left it in the microwave a little longer. Considering the material is like 2 weeks old and has been bone dry for a week, I think it smells great! Could be getting better yields. Their stock seperation tech sucks, I got a remedy for that waiting at the post for me though. Still trying to figure out the re moistening part.

This will be excellent to whip up some rosin budder with! Big thanks to Tony verzura for sharing that idea!

 

[theJointedOne]

any news on extraction setups retailing in the real world? or even some blue prints.

i have some ideas..

honestly not even in the position to make any right now, but in the fall ill be doing it for sure. Love it if some pros could pm me with some blueprints, diagrams, or ideas on how to throw together a small scale commercial setup.

thanks!

 

[GanjaPharma]

Lmfao calibration packets! Dude your killing it! So how long are you thinking that the plates take to initially warm up, and to rewarm after a press?

i use 4 steel plates, they are 1/2" thick and hold heat for a very long time. at least 10 minutes without more than 10 degree drop.
I stack 2 on the induction plate and work with the other 2.

Could you please share the temps in relation to each sample with you calibrations? It seems like 190F is you preferred temp? I'm impressed you can do that many presses in one day, I'm paranoid the plates won't warm that quick.

Wouldnt say I have a preferred temp. i use a 2 ton press at 50/75% power.

Using OilSlick pads buffers the temps ALOT, I turn it down 10 degrees when using Slick sheet. (PTFE film, has way more transfer)

150F @ 75% power makes that room temp auto budder. Its strong as fuck and looks just like the thc-a we have here. same off color white powder...more on this when the tests are back

190F @50% power is the temp I would use if I want 90% of the yield in a single squish. it just all pours out so fast and looks nice and clear (and shatter).

250F @ 100% (2tons) made the big dark piece. that was all the calibration packets ...packed into a new packet, and squished on HIGH temp. just sizzled like a bastard and gave up all the hidden goods.

the KEIF packets are wafer thin after pressing. the flower packets are thicker

So have you considered just doing one long press as opposed to 3 separate ones?

yep. this has been more about nailing the variables


Which induction plate are you using? It's hard to find one that doesn't have pre set temps for a good price[/QUOTE]

will let you know when am back at the shop

 

[comphashon]

Love the low temp!!! it's all about the low temp!!!!

 

[Sunfire]

any news on extraction setups retailing in the real world? or even some blue prints.

i have some ideas..

honestly not even in the position to make any right now, but in the fall ill be doing it for sure. Love it if some pros could pm me with some blueprints, diagrams, or ideas on how to throw together a small scale commercial setup.

thanks!

I'm still in R&D and I have a bunch of other non rosin projects going on so I don't get to play much. Today hopefully I'll get to complete my pressure tests. 450psi, 900psi, 1350psi, all using 200F starting temp. The analytical lab is 2 hours away because I love in the boonies. I'm thinking I'm just going to time it. And pay close attention to color. Maybe take a few samples for testing but not as many as originally.

to answer your questions though, everyone seems to still be in R&D. I personally don't want to release a design that turns out later to be crap. I don't want people to waste money then be upset with me. It appears that the Rosinator and the aqualabs/ape press will be available soon, probably no more than a month. I have a feeling aqualabs/ape are going to reveal it at chalice but I'm not sure.

when I have it dialed in, probably atleast a month, maybe more, I'll release the design which is all very simple, it's extremely simple. You'll be able to look at it and make one yourself easily and I don't care if people do. You'll need no blue prints. I was thinking of starting a website to sell kits and maybe have a donation link. Maybe donate if you like the design and want to build one yourself. That would help support all the R&D I want to do. Does that sound reasonable? I'm looking for ideas here. The larger one will be able to press a kilo at a time but I really think it'd be better to just do 2 half kilo presses and wait an extra 15 minutes in between.

I'm starting to discover that rosin doesn't seem to be nearly as efficient as bho. It's all dependent on the material obviously, but so far I'm not getting the averages off rosin that I was from bho when looking at the weight of the starting material (trim) and the weight of the final product.

 

[theJointedOne]

R&d should always get funding

 

[EsterEssence]

Who cares if bho is more efficient, we know how to make a solvent-less product, that means a lot to me...I would be glad to purchase a kit or something from you Sunfire..

 

[Dready_jake]

Yeah I love my shatter but am not a huge fan of the neurotoxin butane. In my thread you can find my butane free lighter. Now I just need butane free cannabis lol
As soon as I harvest I might grab a hair press so I can do an occasional dab. I'm trying to not buy any more shatter and do just flower for a little bit.

 

[Sunfire]

I'll be perfectly honest, bho done proper can be extremely safe and clean. 500ppm residual, which is a lot (most masters get below atleast 20 ppm and 0ppm is not unheard of), means you have to smoke 4.4 pounds of oil to inhale 1 gram of uncombusted hydrocarbons. If you dab 1.1 grams every day of your life, it will more than 5 years to inhale 1 gram.

Now since the masters deserve and get a high price for their product, I think rosin is a great solution for the at home types, or my main target market, collective administrators. I like the Rosinator guys idea of making a smaller affordable unit. I had the same goal in mind, something the size of a small toaster that an elderly sick patient can easily operate and afford for a few hundred dollars. I'm still not sure of production capabilities in the long run. Tumbling lots of trim can take a little time but I think it's worth it in the time and money you'll save building and learning to operate a cls. Plus you don't have to purchase, transport, or distill refrigerants.

As a side note, someone I believe is much more intelligent than I, said that limonene has been shown to kill lab animals in high doses, so maybe think about that with LHO before you smoke a pound of it.

Oh no ester, your getting one sent to you gratis. You were responsible for a crucial spark that lit my fire of progression.

I will say though that outsourcing the work or buying bigger and better equipment is needed, been working all day and I just finished fabrication for the first round of testing! Still learning things, making the smaller details better. I have a long journey, making a website will be a pain!

 

[Ringodoggie]

OK, OK. Everyone is anxious for a commercial release and mine is ready to go so I may as well be the first one to market.

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[Ringodoggie]

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[EsterEssence]

Ringo pics no worky...

Sunfire, thanks for the kind words...

 

[Ringodoggie]

How about now?

 

[EsterEssence]

You have to much time on your hands, funny...

 

[Sunfire]

Omg ringo your futuristic fucken hilarious!!! Omg that's too funny! I like the south American visa part lmfao! Omg seriously, I'm still laughing! I gotta show this to people. Good show man! Well played!

 

[Sunfire]

Ok I can NOT top ringo today, but I'll share a few pics.

But first, I didn't finish research yesterday because I think I came up with an entirely different design that will require less parts, less cost, easier to operate, easier to clean, and should have way less decarb with way bigger presses. Back to the flipping drawing board, again!

I was playing with some fresh sour diesel. With a cls sour diesel sucks, it's always dark and runny. With this rosin though I'm highly impressed. It smells sooooo good! It's very warm today and it's still handleable. I've been taking 1 gram and flattening it evenly to about 1.25" I'm trying to provide a more fair representation than what you see on instagram with the paper thin stringers. I fold the paper over to on one side it's just rosin, on the other side it's rosin with one layer of paper behind it, and in the middle there's 2 layers of paper behind it. This is pic 1. It actually looks much lighter colored in real time. Every time I point my phone camera at something bright it auto darkens everything. I think I have an idea for better pics I'll try out later. Kief was pretty green looking, got less than 50% return. Was pretty low heat, I'll say about 190F (was going for 200F). It just slowly oozed out for 8 minutes with a 100 gram press. This is where I realized my design flaw. Mathematically I think I can reduce that time by more than half.

Pic #2 is where I screwed up. Way too low of heat, I'd say around 130F. This stuff came out as instant budder, like it was already budder as it pushed through the filter. The terps are unreal!!! I of course, like a good scientist, had to sample this product immediately! It's like my old favorite Baskin Robins ice cream that been discontinued, "daiquiri ice." Just insanely potent, it almost gags you. The high is extremely psychadelic for about 30 minutes. I feel it's pure thca, no delta9.

I think using an induction hot plate to heat the pressing plates is such a great idea. Fast and even heating. The one I linked earlier boils water in 5 minutes. Big thanks to GanjaPharma! Using my kiln I feel is not reliable and very slow.