New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Ringodoggie]

Hmmmm, maybe I am stoned but I think I found another variable.

So far, I am looking at...

Temperature (of the plates)
Pressure
Duration
and RH of the starting material

as the 4 variables.

However, as I smoke this wonderful bowl of heaven and I stare at the picture of my last press............ duh. It it still a star. All the rosin is projecting out from the center of the main size of the 1" diameter press rod from the A-frame press. Even though the plates are 6x6, the main pressure is still coming from the 1" rod off the press. So, this aluminum is flexing somewhat.

So, is it possible that distribution of force has become another variable?

Since I seem to be able to direct the rosin from the center to the edge, if I place equal pressure horizontally on the top plate, would the rosin flow out in a more even and parallel line to the edge?

If so, would a square puck be better than a round?

For a guy who claims he doesn't get stoned, I sure think of some weird shit sometimes. LOL

EDIT: Geeze, just re-reading my posts. Sorry for the quad post. LOL

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Lmao a tin foil wrap? 1 wrap for 210, 2 wraps for 200, 4 for 180F.

lmao yourself homie.

no, its an inline attenuator setup.

 

[Ringodoggie]

...its an inline attenuator setup.

OMG!!! Another guitar player?

 

[whadeezlrg]

the only real flaw on the rosinator design that stands out to me is the possibility of turning your finger tips into crushed grapes if you're not careful...especially with the foot pedal that pressurizes the ram, I'd think for safety's sake a button on either side of the press that requires two hands(one hand on each button) would be a little better. $1200 really aint bad for that thing. I believe in the video he said it was 4tons?

just from my unobjective, not racing to the patent office to put out my own press thoughts.

 

[Ringodoggie]

... and all the oil runs away from the heat to a cooler area and is screened in the process.

I would like to hear more from him about this. So far, most posts are saying it runs TOWARD the heat, not AWAY.

Both have some logic and, so far, I have not been able to determine which is fact.

Certainly, it runs away from the pressure point. But is it directional based on temperature?

 

[EsterEssence]

I do mine vertical so the rosin has to run from the heat.
Ringo, well you already did what i was thinking, alum brazing rod is different, by the way a buddy of mine is touring with ringo and the all stars, got back stage passes a couple years ago..

Sun Eldon was one of my closest friends, he is mentioned in many hash books, even rob clarkes, in the acknowledgments. He invented the first bubble bags, the isolater...

 

[Ringodoggie]

I saw an interesting alternate to soldering Al using standard oil as a lube.

The main reason Al is so hard to solder is because of the constant oxidation. So, adding a little oil (he even used motor oil in his demo) to the mix made it possible to solder with standard solder and an iron.

I may try that but I have a couple other ideas as well. I'll get this licked today and move forward defining the other variables.

 

[athomewithkyle]

the only real flaw on the rosinator design that stands out to me is the possibility of turning your finger tips into crushed grapes if you're not careful...especially with the foot pedal that pressurizes the ram, I'd think for safety's sake a button on either side of the press that requires two hands(one hand on each button) would be a little better. $1200 really aint bad for that thing. I believe in the video he said it was 4tons?

just from my unobjective, not racing to the patent office to put out my own press thoughts.

Yes it will have a 4 ton capacity, but will allow you to use either 2 tons or 4 tons. I believe the foot pedal makes the machine real safe, especially with the timer. You can hit the foot pedal and walk away. As long as their isn't a fault in the foot pedal, I think it would be hard to squish your fingers.

I would like to hear more from him about this. So far, most posts are saying it runs TOWARD the heat, not AWAY.

Both have some logic and, so far, I have not been able to determine which is fact.

Certainly, it runs away from the pressure point. But is it directional based on temperature?

I too, am very excited to see the video of the machine depicting this. He also claims to be working on "the tool" which makes collecting your rosin off the parchment paper simple.

I'll post more videos, as he does.

 

[Ringodoggie]

I wonder if anyone has tried Teflon plates instead of parchment. I may have an old grill or something that had some kind of non-stick plates.

Just tossing it out.

 

[Sunfire]

Lmao how does he know that his plates are better? I'd sure like to see a pic or video. I hope he does a prior arts search before he pays the 10k for a non provisional utility patent. I also hope he isn't using cheap cast aluminum plates from china. American made or American assembled hehehehe!

GANJA PHARMA - nice experiment dude and thanks for sharing! What was exactly the starting material and how are you measuring your temps?

RINGO - I don't think it actually chases the heat, but the heat allows it to flow. If you don't have the heat actually on the material, nothing will come out. I wouldn't worry too much about the concert of it chasing the heat. It's more of just a simple spread and the heat only excites it more.

yeah aluminum I don't think is a good choice for how that press works, even distribution of pressure is key in my findings. For a ghetto at home attempt, I still say do what I told you in pm. Cold rolled flat bar. How thick are the PTC coils? Can you weld well or know some one that can? If you keep it small, 1/2" thick should be enough. Maybe two of those and some 1/2"x1/2" square bar to make walls on the edges withe coils packed inside, and I do mean packed! The steal will take longer to heat up but will hold the heat longer. However I feel it's an ultimate equation of energy, I say stuff as many coils in there as you can.

If your plates were rectangle then yes I feel like you product would come out more rectangular as you see that with hair irons. I don't think the product actually chases the heat though, I think the heat just excites it more so it can move more easily is the heat. Idk if that makes ant sense lol?

I'll turn you on to some of the mathematical formulas I've learned from, well not the formulas but the results. Round will be best. I can break the math down in pm for you if you want. Square is finenthough, that's what everyone is doing with the tea bags and that's what I'm doing. But now we need to know if square or rectangle best, at what ratios, 1:1, 1:2, 1:3, and so on? I'm currently working on trying to find that out. I though it'd be great to make a plate that's a thick ass piece of glass so we can watch the product flow through and out the material to understand how the internal pressure and shape effects thenflow.

that's not weird at all bro, keep smoking, your on to good things in my opinion!

I know the local hardware store has aluminum soder wire, but it's mad high heat, like 1100 or more. Idk if that then qualifies as brazing or not. It's more expensive for a roll, like 15 bucks as opposed to 5.

Whadeezlrg - I thought the same thing, it's so damn tall too. With all that travel you could for sure accidently get a whole arm caught in there, that would not be a fun a time or lawsuit. I've been thinking about that kind of stuff with presses. I wonder if we will ahve another McDonald's hot coffee in the lap style lawsuit again. Or like the the guy that's suing a gas station for selling the butane he blew himself up with and killed his friend. Look I'm doing it all in one post like you asked, see I listen and can be trained, not too old of a dog yet tee hee!

EsterEssence - sun eldon? I'm embarrassed to say I don't know him. When did he invent the bubble bags? Delp first filed his American patent in 96 I think. He was busy over in Europe before that. I don't think it's too important for us though, blessings to both of them as I love fresh frozen water hash!

 

[Sunfire]

I wonder if anyone has tried Teflon plates instead of parchment. I may have an old grill or something that had some kind of non-stick plates.

Just tossing it out.

I like the idea of the flexibility of parchment for folding and bending and such. A solid stiff surface may be hard to work with, plus if you wanted to drop it in thebfreeze, it will take longer to cool.

I want to see some numbers and research from the Rosinator guy. How do I contact him? I want to know how he came to the conclusion of how much pressure for how much material. There's so many variables in that.

 

[blastfrompast]

Rosinator = Bye-Bye Fingers...and nothing I would want any stoner using... There is a reason wood splitters will not engage without 2 hands on levers SAFELY away from anywhere you will get them SMASHED.

I use a chilled marble slab now to cool my rosin to collect it quickly, beats throwing parchment in the freezer and having it shatter into pieces. Room temp dabber. I thank the wifey for this idea of the marble slab...(she was tired of my stoned ass leaving the freezer door open)

 

[EsterEssence]

Sun, I forgot the comma, Eldon came up with the idea in Kathmandu in the early 90's.
All we need is a device with hot plates and pressure without safety...

 

[whadeezlrg]

yeah my thoughts exactly, I like the concept of it but it really looks like a serious liability with the foot control...and if a person decided to sample a bit of their freshly pressed goodness while squeezing I think we'd end up hearing a lot of horror stories...those plates are large enough to do some serious damage to more than just finger tips too...

blast from past- like the cold stone creamery! if it's a thick enough slab of stone it will maintain temps for a while.

 

[Dready_jake]

Ya MIPS use a chambered slab that has water pumping through it.(some kind if heat sink like thing)
The water flowing through it somehow freezes the metal.
It's literally a piece of like aluminum with a tuperware and hoses connecting the two. I wish I could remember better it was a while ago

They use it to keep the shatter cool at room temp so it doesn't get gooey

 

[athomewithkyle]

yeah my thoughts exactly, I like the concept of it but it really looks like a serious liability with the foot control...and if a person decided to sample a bit of their freshly pressed goodness while squeezing I think we'd end up hearing a lot of horror stories...those plates are large enough to do some serious damage to more than just finger tips too...

blast from past- like the cold stone creamery! if it's a thick enough slab of stone it will maintain temps for a while.

I asked him about any safety features on the machine and he said there's a safety you have to engage before each press.

 

[whadeezlrg]

well just judging by his video of the press in operation, I personally don't think whatever safety measures are in place are adequate unless it includes some type of optic override if a finger or something similar passes into the pressing plane...not trying to knock what the guy has put together as I actually like the concept a lot. just throwing my 2 cents into the dish. accidents happen, and unfortunately modern medicine has prevented Darwinism from being full circle...

I may be the only one that fully expects the same idiot that blew up his garage blasting bho, to swear off making bho; picks up one of these presses and ends up losing a hand...as a safer alternative to petro-concentrates, we really don't need the media hearing about how some guy popped his hand like a grape making rosin...

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

ya i am pretty sure it wouldn't pass any safety standards.

 

[athomewithkyle]

well just judging by his video of the press in operation, I personally don't think whatever safety measures are in place are adequate unless it includes some type of optic override if a finger or something similar passes into the pressing plane...not trying to knock what the guy has put together as I actually like the concept a lot. just throwing my 2 cents into the dish. accidents happen, and unfortunately modern medicine has prevented Darwinism from being full circle...

I may be the only one that fully expects the same idiot that blew up his garage blasting bho, to swear off making bho; picks up one of these presses and ends up losing a hand...as a safer alternative to petro-concentrates, we really don't need the media hearing about how some guy popped his hand like a grape making rosin...

The machine in the video is the first china made model he had made, which he isn't selling. He hasn't posted a video of the rosinator for presale yet which is made in the USA and has added options and heavier pressure. He'll be posting a video of a side by side comparison soon he said. When he does that, i'll post it in here.

I think anyone interested in rosin, is mostly intrigued by how much safer it is to make than bho, so i'm sure he's not going to put a product out where you can easily lose a finger(s) or hand(s). But time will tell!

 

[Sunfire]

Well apparently the press you see on the aqualabs website isn't the one they will be selling either, they have made a lot of upgrades. I can't say what, but I was pretty impressed. I think it's going to be a lot more than 1200$ though. I have no idea how the Rosinator guy made them so cheaply...

The cold marble slab is something a lot of bho guys do. I've wanted to get one for a while but I always forget when I go to town, stupid stoners!

It's not about him putting a product out that cause lose of fingers or hands, it's about idiots doing dumb things then coming back and suing you. Hopefully there a huge waiver he makes you sign or agree to with purchase. I know that's what I want to do. My design is more safe to those regards but you can still get hurt. 4 tons is a lot of force. A cheap Chinese bolt could sheer and if your standing in the right place...it's gonna hurt. You can regulate stupidity my friends, pass all the laws you want.

I'm a big fan of natural selection. Darwin is rolling in his grave right now.