New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Ringodoggie]

Ringdoggie:
What did you think of the extract from re-pressing your used flower/sift pucks...

It was darker and it's a pain in the ass to work with because it is so sticky. The first press was more like shatter. I could roll it in my fingers and break a piece off for the nail. But the second press was real sticky. Albeit, I might have pressed it longer or harder to cause that.

I smoked some this morning and it seems OK. I don't really get high any more so it's hard to tell. Taste was similar but not as sweet.

One thing for sure. This rosin sure burns faster than any BHO I ever had. I can empty a bowl of this in 5 or 6 hits. BHO seemed to last forever in the bowl.

 

[Ringodoggie]

Well, testing today has to end. I have a gig in a few hours and I need to get ready.

Besides, about half way through, the new epoxy on one of the bottom heaters failed and the heater fell off. A while later the other fell off so I stopped testing until I can revise, revamp, refix, redo. I'll ipsy dipsy just turn a screw.

However, I did get to test a couple things.

One was the use of a pressed tab vs the plain bud. All my tests were run on 0.5 gram buds. Albeit, that is a pretty small sample to test but I found little or no visual difference in using a tab vs a plain bud. In the few tests I ran, I must admit that I did see a little better results from a tab in some presses. But, later when I learned to place it right on the edge, the tab didn't seem to perform any better than a plain bud. See the first 2 pics for the most extreme difference between tablet and bud.

The second test was to lower the plate unevenly so the material would be squeezed from back to front rather than all around like the Rorschach test that I get with an even press.

This worked out quite well and pushed most of the rosin to one end. Not perfect but better.

The third experiment I ran was to place the pot/parchment sample right on the edge of the plates. Just in enough so no plant matter would squeeze to the edge. For a .5g bud and my setup, that was about 2" in from the edge. Then, lower the plate unevenly as tested above.

I was very pleased with the results of this test. The rosin began to push out the edge crack and collect on the parchment outside the press plates. This was nice because the rosin all pushed to one end of the parchment and was very easy to collect. Plus, it wasn't sitting in the press decarbing all that time. I did have some bubbling. I wonder if that is from decarbing or if it is simply a result of the rosin exiting the press under pressure. Pressure like that will also cause bubbles (even without or with very low heat) won't it?

It just kept oozing and oozing so I left it in longer than usual. Almost an entire minute. Finally it stopped oozing and I took it out. To my surprise it was not real dark or anything. Some that was stuck in the fold was darker but the stuff that oozed out of the edge crack was nice and amber. See pic 3.

Unfortunately, I forgot to weigh before and after so I am not sure of my yield. I pressed about 5 or 6 grams and got a little less than a gram of rosin. Not very good but not bad for a test run.

I did run one test for yield but it's so small it's not real valid. I took exactly 1 gram and pressed it on the edge with everything I learned today. By now, both my bottom heaters fell off so I am working with one heated plate and the bottom plate being heated on by the top plate during preheat. Still, I got almost 0.2 grams out of it. A very nice little puddle. See the last pic.

Fun day. Gotta gig. See you at 4AM. LOL

 

[athomewithkyle]

1200 for a piece of equipment isn't insane but 1200 for that one is.

There's a few people who actually have been doing a lot of R&D with their designs. The rosinator is not one of those designs. I won't go into detail but that design has a lot of flaws.

There are 2 people I know of that have patents in the works. One of them actually may have 2 patents but is trying to get them written in a fashion that combines them into one. It's not about personal greed, it's about making sure bubble man and other rip off artists don't get it first and then try to rape everyone, as previously mentioned with the bubble bags. Rheinhardt delp actually has a patent on the bags and already sued bubble man and fresh headies in 2010. He now has a patent lawyer in the states and is pursuing more litigation on other companies.

Higher pressure brings more problems for sure. Once figured out though, greater yields and larger presses are achieved.

Lol pressing a pound in one day is not that far off. I know of a design that can squeeze a kilo of kief at one time.

I would advise to be patient with your purchases. There are people out there who actually care about making the best press they can, and not just jumping the gun to get a product on the market. Months of r&d and thousands of dollars have already been invested in designs that still arnt ready for market as the inventors are not 100% satisfied with the design.

Just like other extraction techniques (bho) the concept seems simple on the surface, but the rabbit hole goes deep! Mathematical formulas and coefficients are being created to help explain and understand things. Lots of money is being invested in experiments and analytical testing that will be shared openly.

RINGO!!! Lmfao so you went for the a frame after all eh? Not nearly as big as thought it would be eh? If your going to use those stock pressing plates to reinforce your heat plates, you should leave them on there with he heat plates to warm up too. I think the pressing plates are iron. Considering your heat plates are aluminum, the iron will rob the heat from the aluminum quickly. Just a thought though, but at higher pressures, it's been noticed that heat transfers a lot faster. I assume it's because of more surface area and closer molecular proximity of the two surfaces? I don't know really but at lower pressures, the heat transfer into the material is slow. At higher pressures with the same temp, the heat transfer seems to happen extremely fast.

Thanks for your input sunfire, as I feel you're one of the more knowledgable folks in this thread.

One quick note though. The machine in that video isn't the one going for $1,180. It's the Chinese model one that he is/was planning on selling for $500. He's supposed to be coming out with the video of the model that I preordered in the near future. If a better product comes out before my 30 day refund after shipping, I'll definitely seek out that option. I'll keep you guys all updated!

 

[Ringodoggie]

Couple last pics before I split. Not bad for a days testing.

 

[Sunfire]

Thanks for your input sunfire, as I feel you're one of the more knowledgable folks in this thread.

One quick note though. The machine in that video isn't the one going for $1,180. It's the Chinese model one that he is/was planning on selling for $500. He's supposed to be coming out with the video of the model that I preordered in the near future. If a better product comes out before my 30 day refund after shipping, I'll definitely seek out that option. I'll keep you guys all updated!

Hmmm I wonder what you get for the extra 700$? I hope he brought in a shorter ram. That thing is so tall, with all that travel, i want to see him stick a whole plant in there lol! When he makes the video, link us to it.

you guys don't have to wait, I'm just saying 1200$ for what is on the video is alot. I'm hoping he has a lot of upgrades on the design that is that price. Does anyone know what tonage his press has, does he even know? I would think that's one of the first things he'd tell us. High pressure pneumatics can be expensive, there's something fishy about that ram, idk what though.

I think you'd get better results and quality for your money if you reinforced some hair iron PTC coils and used a cheap 2 ton arbor press or a table vice. Ringo already broke one down and showed everyone what's in there. Shit you could put two or three side by side if you wanted to do bigger presses. The rosinator plates fir sure want a whole plant to hug!

I am far from the most knowledgeable on this thread but thanks. I mainly just spend way too much time on the Internet looking at stuff, I cant help it, too hungry for knowledge.

 

[Sunfire]

The darker color and more stickiness I'm positive must be from decarb.

Hmmm, interesting observation, I wonder if bho is more dense then rosin? Just another wonderful mystery we need to figure out!

I'm not sure the pressure between the paper, outside the plates, has anything to do with pressure besides maybe it's from the release of pressure. If it was still bubbling outside of the paper then it was for sure from the heat. I've done some pretty wet flower and trim presses and when I release the pressure there's a big poof of steam even though there was no steam during the press. I think it's kinda like in 8th grade science we made artificial clouds in a big jar. Pretty much it's just a fast pressure change from atmosphere to vacuum. Maybe with the rosin product there's something going on with a quick change from extreme pressure to atmosphere?

I think your doing great for flowers, close to 20%. Pic 3 for sure looks way nicer too!

 

[EsterEssence]

Ringo, try some jb weld and sand the metal where you stick the element.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

i guess the stickiness in this case is from decarb, but when i make very primo HPO, and its a low temp extract of golden goo which is extremely soft and sticky. some strains its a real chore to collect. if i go 10 or 15 degrees hotter, its tacky, easy to pick up, and not gooey as much at all.

 

[Sunfire]

Waxes, strain difference, freshness, decarb of material before the press, and moisture content all might play a part in stability. "Live rosin" is always super goopy and sticky looking.

 

[EsterEssence]

I have done 5 min tumble, 30 min tumble, some unpressed 99.99% and pressed 99.99%, they all came out different texture, all are golden to dark, they all go sticky if room temp is above 75*. There is slight differences in the effect, the better the starting material the better the end product. I have some more work but i am waiting to get some plates i can keep the temp lower than the hair deal allows me to be working at. I and all of my friends love it, too bad Eldon is not here to share it with me...

 

[MrAwder]

Ringo, how are you making those pucks? I'd like to do something similar with popcorn and trim.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

pretty soon for those of you with hair presses, we have a simple addition that will allow lower temperatures than what it goes to now. just need a little more tweaking.

 

[Sunfire]

Who's eldon? I think temp has a lot to do with texture, terps, and any auto budder effect. I'm starting to think the room temp auto budder might be a good sign. Starting material is huge too. I think drier, older, and using sift, contributes to a more shatter like product. Moisture and flowers seem to lead to auto budder. Extremely fresh material, even sift though, seems to be goopier. This is all just based on observation, and the reports of others. I have some theories, but no evidence.

There's already hair Irons that go as low ands 180F already. What would be good is some kind of reinforcement for the iron so you could really put some pressure on it.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

i have like 4 or 6 that are too hot. this is an easy mod for those who need.

 

[Sunfire]

Lmao a tin foil wrap? 1 wrap for 210, 2 wraps for 200, 4 for 180F.

 

[athomewithkyle]

Hmmm I wonder what you get for the extra 700$? I hope he brought in a shorter ram. That thing is so tall, with all that travel, i want to see him stick a whole plant in there lol! When he makes the video, link us to it.

you guys don't have to wait, I'm just saying 1200$ for what is on the video is alot. I'm hoping he has a lot of upgrades on the design that is that price. Does anyone know what tonage his press has, does he even know? I would think that's one of the first things he'd tell us. High pressure pneumatics can be expensive, there's something fishy about that ram, idk what though.

I think you'd get better results and quality for your money if you reinforced some hair iron PTC coils and used a cheap 2 ton arbor press or a table vice. Ringo already broke one down and showed everyone what's in there. Shit you could put two or three side by side if you wanted to do bigger presses. The rosinator plates fir sure want a whole plant to hug!

I am far from the most knowledgeable on this thread but thanks. I mainly just spend way too much time on the Internet looking at stuff, I cant help it, too hungry for knowledge.

When I asked what the difference was between the USA made resonator for $1,180 and the machine shown in the video, this was his answer.

"the USA made Rosinator has 4tons of pressure, way thicker steel plates and a special plate design that lets you load up an ounce or more per press and all the oil runs away from the heat to a cooler area and is screened in the process. highest yeilds at lowest temps. The other machine from the video requires higher temps as it has much less pressure. I dont think I will be selling this one. I am in the process of creating a smaller 500 or so press that will be 2 ton and almost as effective as the 4 ton. The difference is the 4 ton is automatic and timed. the 2 ton is manual, but will still have the special plates that up yeild and quality. The 4ton is a much better production machine, the manual is a bit of a workout for quantity and takes longer. this is similar to the machines aqualab and matt armstrong are creating, with better plates. Its really about volume of herb being pressed, ease of use and personal preference. I'm squarind away some legal stuff, patents and such, then I will show both machines and you can choose which one you want. if you want the 2 ton I'll refund you the difference. In fact if you decide you want a full refund, I'll credit you back. Def wait till I start putting up videos and testing to decide."

 

[GanjaPharma]

I'm starting to think the room temp auto budder might be a good sign. Starting material is huge too. I think drier, older, and using sift, contributes to a more shatter like product. Moisture and flowers seem to lead to auto budder. Extremely fresh material, even sift though, seems to be goopier. This is all just based on observation, and the reports of others. I have some theories, but no evidence.

Here's two presses, same starting material.

First three presses at 150F (2 ton press) . All the same off white auto budder.

Then raised temps to 250F and a second volume of clear shattery oil.

 

[Ringodoggie]

Ringo, try some jb weld and sand the metal where you stick the element.

I cleaned both surfaces with a brass wheel on my buffer before bonding and I tried JB Weld High Temp the first time and Loktite High Temp adhesive the second test.

Everything I searched about bonding aluminum to aluminum was about brazing. My guitar player tonight was talking about a special solder for Al to Al. I will check into it.

Once I get things dialed in, I may have my buddy with the machine shop mill out some inserts in my plates so I can just slide the PTC heaters in and swap as needed. It's possible I could actually adjust the temp of the plates by pulling the PTCs in or out of the slot slightly.

I need to make sure the rosin doesn't follow the heat source before I do that. I am pretty sure it just takes the easiest path. If so, I can evenly space the heater pockets. If it actually does follow the heat, I'll put all the heaters in front.

Got home early from the gig tonight. Not even 2AM. I sure am going to enjoy some of this Ice Bubble and Rosin before I crash.

I usually vape my rosin in a Glacier or an Ultron. However, tonight I am spreading the rosin over the full melt ice bubble I made this week and actually smoking with a flame from a pipe.

Now, this is nirvana. It's like giving a chocolate lover double chocolate fudge with chocolate icing. LOL
Yummy.

Thanks again and again to all the people who are bringing back the lost arts. I have been growing and smoking for over half a century and I never enjoyed it so much as today. All the strains. All the techniques for making hash and rosin and all the wonderful things that we have forgotten for hundreds or thousands of years. Big thanks to people like Frenchy and Bubbleman and the many others who have shared and especially to the non-profit motivated people like SkunkPharm and all the other small contributors like them who have made it all so much fun again.

Fresh rosin over full melt bubble. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. What a wonderful life it is. And, I owe it all to you who have taught me.

Thank you again and again and again.

 

[Ringodoggie]

Ringo, how are you making those pucks? I'd like to do something similar with popcorn and trim.

I use one of these (just because I already had it)...

 

[Ringodoggie]

pretty soon for those of you with hair presses, we have a simple addition that will allow lower temperatures than what it goes to now. just need a little more tweaking.

If you want to reduce the temp on a hair press I could look at the circuit board. It should be simple logic to put a resistor to ground at some point in the circuit and pull the entire controller down 10-20 or 50 degrees (depending on the resistor value).

I don't think the hair presses have an actual thermostat. They have a variable voltage regulator that simple sends higher or lower voltage to the heating plates based upon know variables.