New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Believe me if i smelled or tasted any plastic i would not do it, don't they put the bho products on parchment?

thats what i was saying, taste indicates purity, but its not proof.

putting bho on parchment is not the same as putting very hot (butane laden) extract on parchment, and apparently butane reacts with the coatings on most parchment, but of course the finished product is fine touching it. The worry with hot extract with butane in it is because of the butane, so the same fears dont apply with heat press technique, as there is no butane.

 

[EsterEssence]

I even lit a piece of parchment on fire and could only smell paper burning, not that that's any proof. If parchment is good on/till 420 than we are well within the heat tolerance...

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

my research indicates patapar and regency are both silicone free.



i found a Gray Wolf post on this subject:

"Silicon is the element Si, occurring naturally in nature, with diamond centered cubic structure, and an atomic number of 14. It has a melting point of 1687K/1414C/2577F. Commonly known as glass.

Silicone is a man-made alternating Silicon/oxygen chain backbone, to which other things can be attached.

Such as to make silicone spray, for instance.

The silicone spray MSDS offered by DuPont, is as follows:

http://www.teledyne-ai.com/pdf/msds_lubricatingoil.pdf

As you can see from the MSDS, it is pretty inert and such a large molecule that it can’t pass through cell walls, so mostly is just excreted.

One note in the MSDS that should be of concern for those of using silicone coated parchment paper, is the admonition that, some is transferred to the extracts, and:

When heated to temperatures above 150 degrees C in the presence of air, product can
form formaldehyde vapors. Formaldehyde is a potential cancer hazard, a known skin and
respiratory sensitizer, and an irritant to the eyes, nose, throat, skin, and digestive system.
Safe handling conditions may be maintained by keeping vapor concentrations within the
OSHA Permissible Exposure Limit for formaldehyde.

Therefore those using the extract in an application that exceeds 150C/302F, should ostensibly have some concerned with its presence."

 

[wildfarmsfx]

thats what i was saying, taste indicates purity, but its not proof.

putting bho on parchment is not the same as putting very hot (butane laden) extract on parchment, and apparently butane reacts with the coatings on most parchment, but of course the finished product is fine touching it. The worry with hot extract with butane in it is because of the butane, so the same fears dont apply with heat press technique, as there is no butane.

It is not something you can smell or taste. Where talking about PPM.....

 

[wildfarmsfx]

I used parchment paper for decades to make paper bags to collect pollen from male plants, and to make controlled pollinations inside the bags to avoid contaminations with any other pollen or to not allow the pollen in the bag to escape and cause problems. I need parchment paper that breaths moisture escaping from the plant, I tried many different, many with coatings, wax, silicon, plastic. I found coatings of any kind make the paper useless for my work, I need uncoated to allow transpiration of the water to outside the bags, and I hung many different bags filled with water on a clothes line until I found the best one, that allowed the water to dry the fastest. Anyway it is easy to find uncoated parchment paper, you just need to look a little. I would use uncoated to be safe.
-SamS

Again BY DEFINITION parchment paper is coated, but please link to this uncoated. Uncoated parchment is baking paper, no non stick properties.

 

[wildfarmsfx]

well i hope you are learning too. in that no parchment paper has ptfe or teflon coating, its mainly silicone coated. thanks for that link. its interesting, that organic if you care paper is the only type that imparted taste to the product. i used it once and didnt want to again.

Again fantasy land. Who in the world uses "Kosher" Pataper paper. There paper is not stick free, it just parchment which needs to be greased. Where talking about the store bought paper 99% of community uses, Patapar paper has sticks to everthing if grease is not put on.

"Parchment" is different from parchment paper. Patapar paper is what I use to cook, it needs grease. Its just paper, no non stick surface.

Is Rosin Tech really so much of who you are that you can't detach emotions and discuss it. Your trying to prove "im right" rather then look at the facts. In the BHO community, we don't use parchment outside it requirements. If parchment was the all mighty you claim, everyone would directly shoot bho into it rather glass the convert over.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

did you read the link on the other page i showed you? it states no silicon added, are they lying you are telling us?

http://www.baar.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=001&Product_Code=8540

and i read of a consumer review of regency where they said we hate to cook with anything plastic and believe its bad for you(just like you) and they spent over a year looking for information to confirm that regency is silicon free. i havent done that legwork, but it also does state 100% vegetable. that will include all of it, you can add a coating to something and say its 100% vegetable unless you add a vegetable coating.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Is Rosin Tech really so much of who you are that you can't detach emotions and discuss it. Your trying to prove "im right" rather then look at the facts. In the BHO community, we don't use parchment outside it requirements. If parchment was the all mighty you claim, everyone would directly shoot bho into it rather glass the convert over.

BHO is a terrible comparison. the research on this forum has been done all about that, and i have helped reveal some of it that shows silicone may be harmful even with heat press. i am not fighting to be right bro, i am working on getting it right. you are the one acting blind here.

 

[Sunfire]

Again fantasy land. Who in the world uses "Kosher" Pataper paper. There paper is not stick free, it just parchment which needs to be greased. Where talking about the store bought paper 99% of community uses, Patapar paper has sticks to everthing if grease is not put on.

"Parchment" is different from parchment paper. Patapar paper is what I use to cook, it needs grease. Its just paper, no non stick surface.

Is Rosin Tech really so much of who you are that you can't detach emotions and discuss it. Your trying to prove "im right" rather then look at the facts. In the BHO community, we don't use parchment outside it requirements. If parchment was the all mighty you claim, everyone would directly shoot bho into it rather glass the convert over.

That's funny, I have been extremely active in every active bho thread for the last six months and I have never seen your name before?

Shoot into glass??? Omfg dude your open blasting cans??? You don't use high grade butane and distill it before use, and you telling us we are contaminating products. That's so insanely hypocritical!!! I don't even want to hear this arguement from you. Get a cls, stop buying cans with insane amounts of mystery oils, and distill your tane at atleast 60F or less. Your poisoning people insanely more than parchment ever will. Look at least skyhighler ' s residual butane thread, cans of all brands have mad contamination in them. The contaminants will not evaporate from your product, even In a vacuum oven, that's why you must distill your tane first!!!!

Yes that's a terrible comparison, non polar hydrocarbon solvent that boils at 32F versus heat and pressure, come on dude.

Lol nice comment about the stoner audience. That sounds like a straw man tactic to so you don't have to provide analytical evidence. You make these claims so the burden of proof is on you. Lets see some analytical results showing the contamination of plastic in the rosin eh?

Ptfe I would not classify as plastic, that's like saying fkf viton is rubber. It's in a class of its own.

I do agree with your statement of Teflon and cookware. The ptfe sheets sketch me out too.

I've used quilon for bho for a long time. I think it's fine as the the molecules are bonded and you must use energy to break those bonds, like heat, same as parchment. Now the pressure thing is an interesting point as we all know if we payed attention in elementary school, heat and pressure can turn carbon chains of graphite into a pretty diamond! However we are talking about 60-70 psi with are high pressure shirt press, let's keep thing in context eh?

Maybe you see now your audience isn't a bunch of stoners. Lets talk chemistry then eh? Show me some evidence of your claims. I can show you lots for my claims as far as the mystery oils in your canned butane is concerned. Holy shit there's mad threads about it on this forum. I've distilled hundreds of pounds of R600 personally, including from cans. I can personally guarantee the contamination and skyhighler has documented it all throughly in his thread. So where Is your absolute evidence?

 

[Sunfire]

I'm mother going to lie, just the possibility of contamination is enough to consider getting ss plates cut for the press.

I'm going to call up the local metal shop and get some ss 1/16" plates cut! Medical grade baby!

 

[Sunfire]

Ok...86.11$ for 6 sheets of 304 ss 16 gauge cut into 15" squares.

Boom boom baby. One more marketing claim I get to add to the list. I'm all medical sanitary grade!

 

[Sunfire]

Damn wildfarmsfx your an asshole. Telling the OP of that thread In capitals that "WE AARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS, BUDDY!!!" don't speak for other people, by saying "we" you act like your the elected speaker of all the members, which you are not!

I'm still blown away that your open blasting cans and you try to tell us about impurities and contamination. Omfg you win the hypocrite of the year award!

 

[ThirdEyeVision]

Just watched a bunch of video of flower being juiced in a hydraulic press with amazing results. He uses the 'rosin tea bags' which are just 90u screen sewn in the shape of a bag. Throw your flower in it and press with stainless plates heated to about 150. I can't wait until you guys get a machine to market.

 

[Sunfire]

Damn I guessed it before when I suggested trying 150F. I bet you can go lower even.

Link us to the video bro, plz?

 

[Ras Mason]

hehe! where s the vid?
rm

 

[ThirdEyeVision]

His name is foundation_extracts on ig.

https://instagram.com/p/1iwGvxIq8N/?taken-by=foundation_extracts

His account has a bunch of vids to check out

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Again BY DEFINITION parchment paper is coated, but please link to this uncoated. Uncoated parchment is baking paper, no non stick properties.

No by definition parchment paper is not just baking paper, see below.

The parchment paper was not uncoated baking paper it is made for the corn industry to cover corn tassels for corn breeding, I use it in a similar manner to cover male flowers or to enclose a female for pollination. It has been made for this for a long long time, this is older then coated baking paper. My paper is bleached but no coatings, you can get it unbleached as well.
-SamS


"Parchment paper and bakery release paper are cellulose-based papers that are used in baking as a disposable non-stick surface. Both are also called bakery paper or baking paper. It should not be confused with either parchment or waxed paper, also known as wax paper or rarely as butter paper."

 

[Sunfire]

Why are the videos so short? Is because I don't have an account and they only give me a sample? Instagram is so hard to find info on. I can't make it work lol!

The press is at at the ups store waiting for me and In ordered the ss sheets today. I've just been so damn busy! A few more days!!!

 

[Sunfire]

I made an account, and the videos are still super short. Where did you see him saying he's using 150F??? I was told by someone else that you have to troll super hard to actually get info off instagram. I much rather prefer this forum. Tell that guy to come over here!

 

[flatslabs]

Why are the videos so short? Is because I don't have an account and they only give me a sample? Instagram is so hard to find info on. I can't make it work lol!

That press is tiny. I'm talking like a 2'x3' with its own heating coils in ss plates. That guy isn't using stainless.

I think pressing the material on ss instead of parchment might be the ultra jam!

Those bags he's using are huge! I'm going to experiment with different widths and thicknesses to see at what point you lose efficiency for the sake of production.

The press is at at the ups store waiting for me and In ordered the ss sheets today. I've just been so damn busy! A few more days!!!

Thats just how instagram works, you are limited to like 15 seconds of video.

The "rosin pouches" that aqua lab is selling claim to hold 10 grams of flower and are 4.5 x 2.25 inches