New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Hashmasta-Kut]

I am not sure yet, but i dont think all or much parchment paper has coatings. From what i have read some has a silicon coating, but i have still not seen any evidence of ptfe coated parchment paper. but on that subject, oil slick says ptfe is good to 500degrees, so it should be fine for around 300 shouldn't it? I have organic parchment paper as well as two other kinds. I dont believe there are plastics on them, but i will do research, thanks for your concern

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Oh wow, just wow. By your own words, Rosin=Poison.

Parchment paper is paper covered with Teflon or PTFE (plastic) by definition. So you just didn't know you using plastic and mistook it for "trees". My point is that the plastic (you didn't know you where using) is melting on to your Rosin.

In lue of plastics (parchment paper) I use grease on a natural paper for cooking...

this is the definition of typical parchment paper, it has nothing to do with ptfe:

"Parchment paper (the kind used in baking) does not have any silicone. It is treated with an acid that gelatinizes the paper pulp and makes the coating non-stick. It is stable to about 420F and non-reactive. It is pourous so will soak up a little of the grease from whatever is baked on it. If it burns, well, it's paper. Won't hurt you."

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

i tried this one, but it seemed to impart flavor, it seems to be different than the typical?

http://www.amazon.com/If-You-Care-C...1-1456943?ie=UTF8&refRID=0ZW3FANNYZ3D3GK1T66Q

it appears many types have silicone coating, but not ptfe. this type has apparently a natural cotton coating?

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

so if you are worried about the silicone on most parchments, i guess this is your answer:

http://www.amazon.com/Regency-Parch...=8-2&keywords=regency+all+vegetable+parchment

 

[wildfarmsfx]

this is the definition of typical parchment paper, it has nothing to do with ptfe:

"Parchment paper (the kind used in baking) does not have any silicone. It is treated with an acid that gelatinizes the paper pulp and makes the coating non-stick. It is stable to about 420F and non-reactive. It is pourous so will soak up a little of the grease from whatever is baked on it. If it burns, well, it's paper. Won't hurt you."

Quoting without listing source???

Again, the definition of parchment paper is paper coated with plastics. Plain and simple. Parchment Paper that doesn't use plastic is called Wax Paper. http://whiskedfoodie.com/la_foodie/wax-paper-vs-parchment-paper/

PTFE is not a singular type of plastic. It a base of many different plastics. Teflon is the likely coating used, invented by Dupont. But before all that, you need to understand parchment paper = plastic coated paper. Parchment is just a euthenism to make you feel more comfortable using plastic with cooking foods in lue of natural products.

BTW- Don't bother trying to find whats in parchment paper. People have spent hundreds of millions trying to force big business to give this up. Proprietary Rights or some other set of words is how they keep their secrets. Basically they cant say what they use because they cant risk losing their formula.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

you give me heck for not listing source, and your source is whiskedfoodie? cmon man, is that really credible?


make sure you check out the parchment listed in my post 484, 100% vegetable parchment.

Oh wow, just wow. By your own words, Rosin=Poison.

Parchment paper is paper covered with Teflon or PTFE (plastic) by definition. So you just didn't know you using plastic and mistook it for "trees". My point is that the plastic (you didn't know you where using) is melting on to your Rosin.

In lue of plastics (parchment paper) I use grease on a natural paper for cooking...

Ok i think you are confused as to what coating is on parchment, to start off it seems it is never teflon or PTFE. and like i said PTFE should be fine, according to you, if its within specs it ok to use. Regardless, you say we are melting plastic into the rosin, however, the bio-assay would indicate otherwise. the tastes are most delicate and wonderful, when made from nice buds. only on the organic parchment which apparently is made from natural latex, and cotton, seems to give a taste to the product. the one paper i am quite sure does not have silicone is the only one that gives a bad taste...

 

[wildfarmsfx]

so if you are worried about the silicone on most parchments, i guess this is your answer:

http://www.amazon.com/Regency-Parch...=8-2&keywords=regency+all+vegetable+parchment

Please just understand parchment=plastic coated in modern advertising

The "all-vegetable parchment paper" is not referring to the coating (because parchment implies plastic coated). It is referring to the paper that is being coated being all vegetable.

Do you really think "all-vegetable PLASTIC COATED paper" sounds good to press and scrape??????

 

[wildfarmsfx]

Ok i think you are confused as to what coating is on parchment, to start off it seems it is never teflon or PTFE. and like i said PTFE should be fine, according to you, if its within specs it ok to use. Regardless, you say we are melting plastic into the rosin, however, the bio-assay would indicate otherwise. the tastes are most delicate and wonderful, when made from nice buds. only on the organic parchment which apparently is made from natural latex, and cotton, seems to give a taste to the product. the one paper i am quite sure does not have silicone is the only one that gives a bad taste...

So you went from not knowing what parchment was to using all natural latex and cotton???? Come on, lets keep it real. We are not talking about natural paper organic latex (link to where I can buy please), we are talking about store bought parchment paper (what 99% of the rosin community uses)

I feel like this is a breakdown on what was an educational argument. Fantasy Paper that isn't available to most people defeats the very purpose of Rosin's "ease-ability"

 

[wildfarmsfx]

We should end this topic for another day after some more research. I hate to be the guy who goes off topic for 3 pages on some one else's thread.

I said my part and admit I am extremely bias against plastics. My paranoia may be just or unjust, but paranoia usually does me and systems good.

Im going to try pressing paper free in-between high quality ceramic for my first Rosin extraction. Sounds like a good 420 experiment.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

So you went from not knowing what parchment was to using all natural latex and cotton???? Come on, lets keep it real. We are not talking about natural paper organic latex (link to where I can buy please), we are talking about store bought parchment paper (what 99% of the rosin community uses)

I feel like this is a breakdown on what was an educational argument. Fantasy Paper that isn't available to most people defeats the very purpose of Rosin's "ease-ability"

the link to the latex stuff, is in post 483.


but people researched the regency 100% vegetable stuff, thats how i got to it. i am not certain, but pretty sure it is 100% vegetable, as stated.

 

[wildfarmsfx]

the link to the latex stuff, is in post 483.


but people researched the regency 100% vegetable stuff, thats how i got to it. i am not certain, but pretty sure it is 100% vegetable, as stated.

Again, fantasy land. There website state's COVERED WITH SILICONE. You started off willing to learn, now your just grasping at straws arguing parchment paper is plastic free. They just use a natural base for their plastic in lue of petroleum (for the environment, not for your direct health) The poisons used to make plastic are still present, just mixed with an all-natural base.

http://www.ifyoucare.com/product/fsc-certified-parchment-baking-paper-fsc-c005046

 

[wildfarmsfx]

you give me heck for not listing source, and your source is whiskedfoodie? cmon man, is that really credible?

I was not heckling you, there is literally no point to quoting without sourcing. I was trying to fully understand the info you put forth. I listed wiskedfoodie because it explained the topic in simply & easy words as you seemed to be struggling grasping the topic. Of course wiskedfoodie is not a thesis source, but its simple wording for the stoner audience I am addressing. If my audience was chemists not stoners, I would of linked to something more appropriate.

The one paper i am quite sure does not have silicone is the only one that gives a bad taste...

"If You Care Parchment Paper uses Silicone"- direct from site.....

You would not survive a day on a gaming forum....

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

lol thanks for your vote of confidence.

how about this stuff then , oh guru? these guys state they make paper with and without silicone:

http://www.palisadespaper.com/faq.php

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Again, fantasy land. There website state's COVERED WITH SILICONE. You started off willing to learn, now your just grasping at straws arguing parchment paper is plastic free. They just use a natural base for their plastic in lue of petroleum (for the environment, not for your direct health) The poisons used to make plastic are still present, just mixed with an all-natural base.

http://www.ifyoucare.com/product/fsc-certified-parchment-baking-paper-fsc-c005046

well i hope you are learning too. in that no parchment paper has ptfe or teflon coating, its mainly silicone coated. thanks for that link. its interesting, that organic if you care paper is the only type that imparted taste to the product. i used it once and didnt want to again.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

here you go bro, this is the stuff for you. i might even try some myself, thanks for the impetus:

http://www.baar.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=001&Product_Code=8540

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I used parchment paper for decades to make paper bags to collect pollen from male plants, and to make controlled pollinations inside the bags to avoid contaminations with any other pollen or to not allow the pollen in the bag to escape and cause problems. I need parchment paper that breaths moisture escaping from the plant, I tried many different, many with coatings, wax, silicon, plastic. I found coatings of any kind make the paper useless for my work, I need uncoated to allow transpiration of the water to outside the bags, and I hung many different bags filled with water on a clothes line until I found the best one, that allowed the water to dry the fastest. Anyway it is easy to find uncoated parchment paper, you just need to look a little. I would use uncoated to be safe.
-SamS

 

[theother]

I used parchment paper for decades to make paper bags to collect pollen from male plants, and to make controlled pollinations inside the bags to avoid contaminations with any other pollen or to not allow the pollen in the bag to escape and cause problems. I need parchment paper that breaths moisture escaping from the plant, I tried many different, many with coatings, wax, silicon, plastic. I found coatings of any kind make the paper useless for my work, I need uncoated to allow transpiration of the water to outside the bags, and I hung many different bags filled with water on a clothes line until I found the best one, that allowed the water to dry the fastest. Anyway it is easy to find uncoated parchment paper, you just need to look a little. I would use uncoated to be safe.
-SamS

Have you tried pressing anything for rosin yet? Any thoughts on flavor etc?

 

[DabnHook]

Why is it intended for baking cookies ect... But not a press at 300f?

The average user is not putting more then 400 pounds on a press.

 

[EsterEssence]

Believe me if i smelled or tasted any plastic i would not do it, don't they put the bho products on parchment?

 

[EsterEssence]

I hate plastics. So when I see Rosin Tech. I see people putting buds in-between plastic, smashing it in a heat press (a manor in which it should not be used, very important with plastics to use as specified) then scrapping the plastic for dabs. It usually takes hours for small yields even with large machinery. 5 hours for the "Quilon Special" is what (current plastic press methods) Rosin Tech means to me.

This is something I will never do. If BPA can get into your system in dangerous amount by simply handling receipts, then Rosin Tech = Poison. In basic terms, Plastics should never be used outside their specified range. This is extremely important, as plastics=poison. Binded and stable the many poison's used to make plastic will not leach. But taken beyond its limitations it will leach and give off these poisons. A perfect example of this is the Teflon non-stick pans. Used properly they are safe. But if you scratch the surface with metal utensils it will leach the many dangerous poisons used to make Teflon into your food.

BPA (used to be in many plastics, less now) was invented as a synthetic estrogen. This chemical has poisoned and influenced the hormones of literally 100's of millions of people in the Americas alone. In many countries there are no bans.

I will fully admit I hate plastics when they have anything to do with products I consume. Bias would be an understatement.

I see no proof of what you say, in your link it say's it is good up till 420* {gotta love that} so at 280 - 300 were good, and butane is so safe...