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SS is mainly for hashes a la Sunfire's technique of wrapping bricks in coffee filters followed by carefully folded SS. Thanks to his informative videos my first larger sift press went swimmingly. Flower blowouts are typically operator or material failure re: applying pressure too quickly or high moisture content.
And I learned a spiffy lesson on dry sift moisture content.
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What is this lesson? I have no luck with old dry sift.
To jar it up and check humidity. Or at least, that is what I think was the issue. I ended up with a pile of rosin mixed up with wax and what I assume are lipids. It's rain season up here and I should have clued in.
The wax I have seen before while pressing increasingly fresher material (curiousity), forming a dense bead around the material, and what I am calling lipids looked like globs of fat coagulating in the pooled rosin.
Have yet to press any older sift, perhaps too dry?
The wax I have seen before while pressing increasingly fresher material (curiousity), forming a dense bead around the material, and what I am calling lipids looked like globs of fat coagulating in the pooled rosin.
Have yet to press any older sift, perhaps too dry?
Thanks for the info, interesting.
Curious about the discrepancy in squish times. I assume like most things, many ways to skin a cat. Although a good amount of people seem to be of the opinion that a quick squish, 20-30 seconds is a key to quality. While watching the Elysian videos the squishes were much longer, and they spoke about slowly ramping up the pressure to help prevent blowouts.
Maybe the difference is in the pure quantity of material being squished, and or since the oil is leaving the platen when it drips the duration doesn't effect it as much?
Hoping to get a little feedback on the subject.
Thanks,
Mr^^
Curious about the discrepancy in squish times. I assume like most things, many ways to skin a cat. Although a good amount of people seem to be of the opinion that a quick squish, 20-30 seconds is a key to quality. While watching the Elysian videos the squishes were much longer, and they spoke about slowly ramping up the pressure to help prevent blowouts.
Maybe the difference is in the pure quantity of material being squished, and or since the oil is leaving the platen when it drips the duration doesn't effect it as much?
Hoping to get a little feedback on the subject.
Thanks,
Mr^^
I dont even have stuff start running out usually till 25-30 seconds in. usually press anywhere from a minute to 1 n half minutes not including first 10- 20 seconds with little to no pressure just to warm up material, slowly building up presher with the final 15 or 20 seconds at full pressure. Hard to say exact time, i should use a timer n record shit. Thats pressing 14 grams trim or flower, keef seemed to go a lot quicker.
Thanks Mo, informative as always.
Nice Durban project to btw. Durban has such a legendary high, I cant imagine how the rosin is. We use to get some bubble hash of a great Durban in the 90's, it would bring a grown man to tears and sweat. Make him quit smoking for at least an hour or two
Thanks,
Mr^^
Nice Durban project to btw. Durban has such a legendary high, I cant imagine how the rosin is. We use to get some bubble hash of a great Durban in the 90's, it would bring a grown man to tears and sweat. Make him quit smoking for at least an hour or two
Thanks,
Mr^^
I did some trim from gsc but return was poor. Will keep trying to find the right RH for trim. 60% did not work well for me..
Lyfespan
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Lyfespan
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gsc just yeilds low, i have the same issue with her 10-15% max
RH and material RH are a direct ratio. ie 57 degrees and 57% rh im pressing dry stuff for shorter times and getting bigger yields that pressing the same material on a 57 degree day with 20%RH
. same goes the other way i look for low low barometer to press moister stuff.
please realise that heat increases under pressure, you know like a vacuum on an oven
My heated plates have a temp reader that shows actual plate temp and what its set to be, i havent noticed any fluctuation when higher pressure. R u talking about the friction of being smashed, like bending metal? I usually press at 98 c which is 208 f.
gsc just yeilds low, i have the same issue with her 10-15% max
what GSC are you referring to? I have seen pretty nice results on S1's, up to 25%.
Whatever he means, at the pressures people reach doing this, the temperature increase is extremely slight, negligible I bet.
Lyfespan
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the flowers or headies are subjected to a higher temp at high pressures, and yes considerable friction.
its fluid dynamics
go measure the temperature difference at ten tons or twenty tons, and get back to me. its negligible almost for sure, i dont think its any more than a small fraction of a degree. you aren't making diamonds out of coal.
friction, lol. friction isn't whats going on much at all. maybe go read the definition of friction.
friction, lol. friction isn't whats going on much at all. maybe go read the definition of friction.
1) sounds like Mariah and mick are going to be having babies or at the very least some diseases hahaha!
2) yes low and slow is the way to go. Just experiment and see what you like. Hashtro has been doing really low temp 150F long and slow flower presses. Lower yield of course but the terps are not as fragile as a lot of people think.
3) yes the larger the amount of material the longer it will take. That is why there is a limit. We have tried alllllll sorts of sizes and shapes. It's like a line graph for electrical current in wires. Everything is all good up until 100 feet then it's starts dropping a little and at 120 feet it just plummits. Well same concept. 5x5 material pack at 2 grams per square inch with flowers (hashes can be 4 times that density) is where it starts to drop slightly. After that yield and quality and color plummits.
4) there seems to be a relationship with moisture and heat and terps. More moisture can afford a lower temp for a good yield but higher temp seems to dissipate more terps. Less moisture and a higher temp can be used for a good yield and still stays fairly terpy. The drier and higher will be more of a shatter and the wetter and lower will be more of a budder.
5) this coagulation being spoken of is not lipids. We all thought that a long time ago. After some studying and about a grand on lots of analytical testing I discovered it's mildly crystallized thca (not pure by any means, mid 70%). The first guy who presented this idea to me I thought was crazy but looking into the chemistry revealed that yes, imperfections lead to points of nucleation which is where thca starts stacking in a weak crystal form after precipitating from the solution. The solution being the other cannabinoids and terpenoids. Although paraffin does like to act as a good imperfection for the nucleation, so does water. Super fresh and moist material will most certainly always budder. High thca, moisture, and terpenes, especially lots of lighter ones that will evap quickly, will tyically lead to the buddering. Why sometimes a sample budders over time is due to terpenes and moisture evaporating which drops the saturation point. Further more, take a chunk of stiff budder, wrap in a coffe filter or 25u ss mesh if it's a large piece, press it low temp like 130F and really really slow. The crystallized thca will remain inside the filter as once crystallized it has a higher melting point, ever notice stiff budders melt slower on the nail than softer shatters? What will seperate is essentially then HTFSE. neither will be as pure as a lab could produce. The remainder in the filter will taste like ass but go get it tested you may be surprised what the results say, I know I was. The HTFSE (it's not really but close to it) will be very tasty as the terpenes are now in higher concentration.
6) yes friction (motion to be precise) is needed to create heat in a relationship with pressure as the more pressure there is the more heat the friction will create however more energy is required to perform the motion. Pressing rosin will not create any heat registered down to one tenth of a degree as the platens we use are extremely precise and sensitive and the temps actually drop as the heat is transfered to the material and the oils run out carrying heat away. The temps do not increase at all. Our platens are 500 watts and we still will lose about 2 degrees before they can recover. Fahrenheit is what I'm using.
Let me see if I can do a post with some pics...
2) yes low and slow is the way to go. Just experiment and see what you like. Hashtro has been doing really low temp 150F long and slow flower presses. Lower yield of course but the terps are not as fragile as a lot of people think.
3) yes the larger the amount of material the longer it will take. That is why there is a limit. We have tried alllllll sorts of sizes and shapes. It's like a line graph for electrical current in wires. Everything is all good up until 100 feet then it's starts dropping a little and at 120 feet it just plummits. Well same concept. 5x5 material pack at 2 grams per square inch with flowers (hashes can be 4 times that density) is where it starts to drop slightly. After that yield and quality and color plummits.
4) there seems to be a relationship with moisture and heat and terps. More moisture can afford a lower temp for a good yield but higher temp seems to dissipate more terps. Less moisture and a higher temp can be used for a good yield and still stays fairly terpy. The drier and higher will be more of a shatter and the wetter and lower will be more of a budder.
5) this coagulation being spoken of is not lipids. We all thought that a long time ago. After some studying and about a grand on lots of analytical testing I discovered it's mildly crystallized thca (not pure by any means, mid 70%). The first guy who presented this idea to me I thought was crazy but looking into the chemistry revealed that yes, imperfections lead to points of nucleation which is where thca starts stacking in a weak crystal form after precipitating from the solution. The solution being the other cannabinoids and terpenoids. Although paraffin does like to act as a good imperfection for the nucleation, so does water. Super fresh and moist material will most certainly always budder. High thca, moisture, and terpenes, especially lots of lighter ones that will evap quickly, will tyically lead to the buddering. Why sometimes a sample budders over time is due to terpenes and moisture evaporating which drops the saturation point. Further more, take a chunk of stiff budder, wrap in a coffe filter or 25u ss mesh if it's a large piece, press it low temp like 130F and really really slow. The crystallized thca will remain inside the filter as once crystallized it has a higher melting point, ever notice stiff budders melt slower on the nail than softer shatters? What will seperate is essentially then HTFSE. neither will be as pure as a lab could produce. The remainder in the filter will taste like ass but go get it tested you may be surprised what the results say, I know I was. The HTFSE (it's not really but close to it) will be very tasty as the terpenes are now in higher concentration.
6) yes friction (motion to be precise) is needed to create heat in a relationship with pressure as the more pressure there is the more heat the friction will create however more energy is required to perform the motion. Pressing rosin will not create any heat registered down to one tenth of a degree as the platens we use are extremely precise and sensitive and the temps actually drop as the heat is transfered to the material and the oils run out carrying heat away. The temps do not increase at all. Our platens are 500 watts and we still will lose about 2 degrees before they can recover. Fahrenheit is what I'm using.
Let me see if I can do a post with some pics...
This is a pita to track down and upload photos with my phone into icmag so you only get these three.
Pic 1 is a nice stiff budder patty that I just pressed a little in the t shirt press and on the larger pic of the layout you see the wet oil looking ring that was being pushed out as a result of pressing it on low heat after the budder set up nice and stiff.
Pic 2 is some shots of what you might be seeing with a very fast almost instant setting budder. On the bottom left is after I picked some out and it "dried" out a little. To avoid this happening dont ramp up the pressure as fast.
Pic 3 is one of the results of samples that got tested, 3 strains in total were tested and 3 different consistencies of the same press were tested just like what you saw in the third E.R. video. Anyways the one on the right with like 25% higher thca was once of the instant stiff budder chunks and the one on the left was the other rosin the chunks were fished out of after pressing. 15% higher thc overall and 25% thca. We thought for sure it'd test super low cause we thought it was paraffins but surprise surprise lol.
Pic 1 is a nice stiff budder patty that I just pressed a little in the t shirt press and on the larger pic of the layout you see the wet oil looking ring that was being pushed out as a result of pressing it on low heat after the budder set up nice and stiff.
Pic 2 is some shots of what you might be seeing with a very fast almost instant setting budder. On the bottom left is after I picked some out and it "dried" out a little. To avoid this happening dont ramp up the pressure as fast.
Pic 3 is one of the results of samples that got tested, 3 strains in total were tested and 3 different consistencies of the same press were tested just like what you saw in the third E.R. video. Anyways the one on the right with like 25% higher thca was once of the instant stiff budder chunks and the one on the left was the other rosin the chunks were fished out of after pressing. 15% higher thc overall and 25% thca. We thought for sure it'd test super low cause we thought it was paraffins but surprise surprise lol.
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ChasingGreen
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I used GSC forum trim. The effort was a waste of time for me. I dont normally do trim so I dont have any experience with it. Next harvest I will try some Sdubb trim and see if that works better.
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Dry sift / bubble will give you way better returns compared to trim
