New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[EastCoast710]

give me a few weeks. and I'm putting my order into to china for the press I put a link up before..

so ill let everyone know. ill even make a video and put it on youtube so people can see that it works or not. good or not. shit like that. and ill let u know how long it actually LASTS lol while pressing daily.

 

[heady blunts]

ya GM---

too dry will hurt yields. too moist often leads to instabudder, not always a bad thing tho.

i like to press cured trim, so in that 60--62%rH range (like in simon's cure thread).

it's also really nice to press *nearly* fresh material, try the popcorn from a plant you cut down 2 or 3 days earlier. it's almost like a live-resin product. always insta-budders IME but it's SUPER terpy.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Just the popcorn? I do the tops too. best is 2-3 days hanging pretty much for sure.

 

[heady blunts]

we still smoke some flowers occassionally HMK

 

[EastCoast710]

Just the popcorn? I do the tops too. best is 2-3 days hanging pretty much for sure.

ya in our area as of now.. the work that goes into extracts is still yet to be worth making it out of perfect colas lol.. and especially in my area.. because prices for nug is still GREAT..i mean I get 3 grand - 3500 a lb no problem still.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

like i said before, i dont sell anything ever. we do puff a few buds around here, but not much.

 

[reefsauce]

hey guys,

tried pressing around 2000-3000psi and 180-200f. got a lot of green/yellowish liquid coming through parchment (regular reynolds) and showing up on metal plates afterwards. This oil does not seem to have any detectible smell so I would like to figure out what it may be.

My current theories are:
1) some mixture of oil/chlorophyll or something from the plant that is forced through at such high pressures

2) its just regular rosin oil that has no smell from being right on the heat plates for so long (~30 second presses) and such high pressure, compared to the oil that escapes pressure inside the paper.

3) msds for quiloon mentions that quilion out of suspension forms a greenish liquid. In particular, pressure and temperature could facilitate the separation of the quilion layer from its substrate, per the msds:

Quilon is a dark green solution, largely in isopropanol, of a chemically reactive
complex in which a C14-C18 fatty acid is coordinated with trivalent chromium.

Increasing temperature also promotes polymerization. Thus, the stability of Quilon
solutions depends on the concentration, temperature, amount of neutralization, and
age of the solution

Of course it also says the final layer should only be one molecule thick across the surface, so that doesn't seem like enough of anything for visible pooling.

Still, I'll be switching to the raw parchment since I don't think quilon was meant to be heat pressed like this with consumables.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

there is no non coated paper out there except the one brand, patapar. everything else either has silicone or quilon coatings i believe. good luck with the patapar, i believe it is a bitch to collect off.

but as you mention raw parchment, at first i thought you meant natural, but you mean the brand, and it says dual coated, not with quilon, but doesnt say what the coating is. my money is on a silicone coating. pretty sure reynolds is too.

 

[reefsauce]

ah thanks for the info, I did read somewhere that the 'raw' band didn't use coatings so I am glad you let me know before I ordered any.

I am curious how much silicon these papers use and how much of it ends up in the rosin.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

yeah product description for raw parchment usually indicates : double coated, not sure what they mean by that. Its odd they dont say with what at all, but clearly state non-quilon. all my reading on reynolds points to silicone used by them.

 

[heady blunts]

here's what my research on material safety has turned up:

all quilon-free parchment is silicone coated (not silicon) unless it's uncoated parchment like patapar (a brand).

get off that reynolds asap. after reading quilon's MSDS i won't even use it in my kitchen anymore.

quilon-free brands i've found: if you care (whole foods type grocery stores), kirkland (costco), RAW (head shop), oil slick (head shop), blacklabelpaper.co (online)

if your parchment doesn't prominently display "QUILON-FREE" then it is almost definitely quilon coated and therefore unsuitable for pressing rosin or storing concentrates.

PTFE (teflon) film is the most inert and durable material suitable for rosin pressing currently. it can be reused until the material begins to deform.

silicone coated parchment should be safe as well assuming the silicone coating stays put on the parchment paper. the concern with parchment is the possibility for the silicone coating to separate from the paper and contaminate the concentrate, but so far this is merely conjecture. parchment should only be used one time to avoid compromising its integrity.

my favorite set up currently is to use PTFE for my pressing sleeve and parchment for my collecting surface.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Well i cant find info either way on Reynolds, but i distinctly recall reading somewhere that a reynolds rep said it was silicone coated, but i have no proof at all.

 

[heady blunts]

i seriously doubt reynolds is silicone coated HMK. they would advertise it as quilon free in that case. all the information i can find says "non-stick coating" which is intentionally vague IMO.

they have a hotline i'll call tomorrow and see if i can get a straight answer from a human being.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Right on.

Raw parchment just says double coated as far as I saw, which is the same level of vagueness pretty much.

 

[heady blunts]

so i called REYNOLDS and it turns out it is 100% silicone coated on both sides---quilon-free.

nice! now i don't have to worry about all the rosin i smoked that i had pressed on reynolds

thanks for the push HMK.

i have a box of raw in the closet. you might have missed it cause they wrote like a small essay about how great the product is lol.

i can confirm raw is silicone coated.

kirkland doesn't have any info on the box either but i found this blurb that describes how it's made.

 

[EsterEssence]

I just got some kirkland, and have been using reynolds, thanks for the research...

 

[heady blunts]

i'm lovin the kirkland, and at that price i don't see me goin back to any other brand

 

[Ringodoggie]

Hey gang, sorry to change gears from parchment but I have an electrical question.

I received the collar heaters I posted about a while back and ran a few tests and they worked great. However, one thing that stumped me a little was that they didn't have standard braided or solid wire for the leads. Rather, there were 2 small "ribbon" wires in each lead.

From what I read, it's called flat wire. personally, never heard of it.

Can anyone tell me if I am correct? And, if so, also tell me why they would use flat wire in this application instead of round braided or solid wire?

Just trying to learn what for. LOL

Thanks

 

[heady blunts]

ringo---

only time i've seen ribbon wire is for fancy coil builds in e-cig atomizers. not much help but that's all i got


waxi---

foundation extracts put that press out real early in the game. if you hunt back many months ago in this thread chaos catalunya or ester essence or someone posted the press as it's marketed to other markets and it's marked up significantly.

i personally have avoided pneumatic presses because i like the ability that hydraulic presses afford to gradually increase pressure as a method of preventing blow outs. this also allows me to press a range of materials that may require a degree of finesse, like fresh-squeezed for example.

if you've got a lot of money burning a hole in your pocket there's a ton of 3600 dollar rosin presses available, as well as their 1600 dollar knock off dhgate counterparts.

at this point i'm accustomed to working with 1333+ psi and i'm not looking to go back to a few hundred pounds per square inch like most of those presses offer.

for comparison's sake, that $3600 pneumatic foundation extracts press offers a maximum pressure of 2400 lbs. lets say the plates are 3"x4"---12 square inches.

2400/12 = 200 pounds per square inch (PSI)

top all that off with a cherry: air compressors suck. noisy and maintenance and yuck.

for contrast:

i just bought a 10 ton (that's 20,000 lbs of pressure) hydraulic press for $280 shipped to my door.

i'm gonna buy a set of heated platens because i don't have the skills or time to build one and my engineer friend is difficult to work with lol. greyfox is selling the 3"x4" set for $350 which is in my price range and a very competitive price even compared to DIY.

so, for $630 i'm gonna have a 20,000 lb press that can do 6--12 gram packets per squish at 1666 PSI all day long.

that's more than 8 times the press for almost one sixth the price.

 

[20sackzack]

Boom baby

Peep my new press y'all, works like a dream.