So the flavor isn't as good but that's okay because you have less of it?
More like flavor isn't quite the same, but increased yield per press more than makes up for the muted flavor...
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More like flavor isn't quite the same, but increased yield per press more than makes up for the muted flavor...
icmagname, you should be able to get it press stuff for you, but its funny because for me, i bought a 350$ t shirt press, experimented a fair bit, and now use the irwin press setup for months exclusively.
ChasingGreen
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So instead of removing the bottom pad, so I could still use it for it's original use, could I just lay down a thin piece of steel?
Icmag - What are these elements your talking about for the bottom? I guess my mistake was buying a press with only 1 heating element on the top, I realize now that I should have bought one with an element on both sides? Oh well, I have other uses for it if I have to re-buy and I got it used on craigslist (like new) for $250.
Icmag - What are these elements your talking about for the bottom? I guess my mistake was buying a press with only 1 heating element on the top, I realize now that I should have bought one with an element on both sides? Oh well, I have other uses for it if I have to re-buy and I got it used on craigslist (like new) for $250.
Hashma- I may have to order some of this http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Magic-18...=1444186914&ref=plSrch&ref_=mp_s_a_1_1&sr=8-1 , dunno I had problems keeping my plates on my irwin grips. It was also a quick thing I threw together and havent had time or money to upgrade, and this pres I just got was a spur of the moment limited time opportunity, 150 bucks so I thought why the hell not. And to answer your question from a month ago about the first rosin I did and got the super runny white and clear goo from, that tasted fucking amazing, yes it was definitely very fresh material I started with. Hard to get much fresher. Hurts pressing a g and getting less than .1 back though.
Idk where the idea came from that rosin chases cold, it's not butane, that's not true at all. Rosin portrays "fountain flow" and will cling to warm surfaces and spread across them, sometimes against gravity.
I could swear months ago I talked about strait going off about being an engineer and making designs with channels and I stated back then it won't work, for many reasons. Obviously he abandoned that design feature as I had done prior to that exchange on ig even happening. A convex and concave design will only tear the paper as the platens are brought together.
Cleaning rosin off metal surfaces is a huge waste and sucks. Lots of people are starting to discover that lol. I guess it's best if everyone just tried it themselves though, I certainly like to do experiments that others have told me will fail cause I'm OCD as a mofo and want to see it for myself. The nature of rosin is simplicity. Don't try to over complicate the situation just for aesthetics or an ego driven design race. Just like the nature of fabric is square. Why make a 3 piece suit when you can just wear a sarong? You only wear a jacket when its cold outside right? Certain tech is good for certain things but most of the time isn't needed. It's like people are wearing jackets in summer time... (whoa that paragraph reads like I'm losing my mind lmfao!)
I've used cold plates outside the heated platen many times and you must be careful because the cold seizes the flow of rosin and can cause a build up too close to the filter pack and heated platens. I highly recommend experimenting with this. I have developed some tech that allows for minimal paper use and directional flow that gets the oils away from the platens quickly and allows for much easier collection. Fools ripping off my ig Hashtags and doing the insanely paper wasteful waterfall technique clearly can't expand their consciousness to achieve a very similar effect with way less paper and less prep time. I will share a lot of technique next weekend when our already obsolete prototype arrives at the ranch here. I'm so over using the worthless harbor freight presses. They don't last long cause nothing is square flush or plum. So I havnt pressed any rosin in weeks. Putting a 4 ton jack in the 6 ton A frame seems to get the most even application of force over time. The 12 and 20 ton H frame get super wonky very fast and then start pressing unevenly which cause more blowout and dramatically reduced yields. I'll take some pics later, all the steel is super bent out of shape now.
I had some 16 gauge ss sheet metal cut out and put that ontop of the squishy pad on the bottom of the t short press but that's for just making patties. If you remove that pad altogether, notice how the design of the locking hinge causes the platen to not fall evenly upon the lower surface, although if you look under the bottom plate you'll see its designed to pivot for more even pressure across the surface of a shirt. Adding more material and backing off the adjustment knob works but the inverse is not true. If you remove the pad altogether you will need to replace it with something of equal thickness. I would go to 8 gauge straight steel perhaps if your pressing with it as the steel will retain heat longer if you preheat it with the top platen closed for a while. However there's many factors of the shirt press which sucks for rosin. Your better off getting the 6 ton A frame from harbor freight, dropping in a 4 ton jack, and getting some 3x3x1 cold rolled steel flat bar cut up for you and heat those on a hot plate. It's a bitch to deal with moving and lining up the metal bricks but the Insanely larger amount of force and pressure are worth it. Filter pack needs to be just smaller then the bricks. A 2x2 filter pack will yield 2k psi but you can go up to a 2.5x2.5" no problem. I'm under the impression you only need about 500 psi but upwards of 1500 psi is prefferable. After that the increased force and pressure only causes problems. I'm not 100% but I will soon be able to gauge the force and pressure and will be running a battery of experiments.
I've been super busy and havnt come on here in a while. I'll be sharing lots of tech in a week and a half or so.
I could swear months ago I talked about strait going off about being an engineer and making designs with channels and I stated back then it won't work, for many reasons. Obviously he abandoned that design feature as I had done prior to that exchange on ig even happening. A convex and concave design will only tear the paper as the platens are brought together.
Cleaning rosin off metal surfaces is a huge waste and sucks. Lots of people are starting to discover that lol. I guess it's best if everyone just tried it themselves though, I certainly like to do experiments that others have told me will fail cause I'm OCD as a mofo and want to see it for myself. The nature of rosin is simplicity. Don't try to over complicate the situation just for aesthetics or an ego driven design race. Just like the nature of fabric is square. Why make a 3 piece suit when you can just wear a sarong? You only wear a jacket when its cold outside right? Certain tech is good for certain things but most of the time isn't needed. It's like people are wearing jackets in summer time... (whoa that paragraph reads like I'm losing my mind lmfao!)
I've used cold plates outside the heated platen many times and you must be careful because the cold seizes the flow of rosin and can cause a build up too close to the filter pack and heated platens. I highly recommend experimenting with this. I have developed some tech that allows for minimal paper use and directional flow that gets the oils away from the platens quickly and allows for much easier collection. Fools ripping off my ig Hashtags and doing the insanely paper wasteful waterfall technique clearly can't expand their consciousness to achieve a very similar effect with way less paper and less prep time. I will share a lot of technique next weekend when our already obsolete prototype arrives at the ranch here. I'm so over using the worthless harbor freight presses. They don't last long cause nothing is square flush or plum. So I havnt pressed any rosin in weeks. Putting a 4 ton jack in the 6 ton A frame seems to get the most even application of force over time. The 12 and 20 ton H frame get super wonky very fast and then start pressing unevenly which cause more blowout and dramatically reduced yields. I'll take some pics later, all the steel is super bent out of shape now.
I had some 16 gauge ss sheet metal cut out and put that ontop of the squishy pad on the bottom of the t short press but that's for just making patties. If you remove that pad altogether, notice how the design of the locking hinge causes the platen to not fall evenly upon the lower surface, although if you look under the bottom plate you'll see its designed to pivot for more even pressure across the surface of a shirt. Adding more material and backing off the adjustment knob works but the inverse is not true. If you remove the pad altogether you will need to replace it with something of equal thickness. I would go to 8 gauge straight steel perhaps if your pressing with it as the steel will retain heat longer if you preheat it with the top platen closed for a while. However there's many factors of the shirt press which sucks for rosin. Your better off getting the 6 ton A frame from harbor freight, dropping in a 4 ton jack, and getting some 3x3x1 cold rolled steel flat bar cut up for you and heat those on a hot plate. It's a bitch to deal with moving and lining up the metal bricks but the Insanely larger amount of force and pressure are worth it. Filter pack needs to be just smaller then the bricks. A 2x2 filter pack will yield 2k psi but you can go up to a 2.5x2.5" no problem. I'm under the impression you only need about 500 psi but upwards of 1500 psi is prefferable. After that the increased force and pressure only causes problems. I'm not 100% but I will soon be able to gauge the force and pressure and will be running a battery of experiments.
I've been super busy and havnt come on here in a while. I'll be sharing lots of tech in a week and a half or so.
ThirdEyeVision
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For me it seems the ideal psi is with the hmk quickgrip. I have a 20 ton harbor freight with 2.25"x3"x1" flatbar steel and its def a pain to maneuver them while hot. I ended up just mounting some flatiron plates to the steel blocks to make things easier. The higher pressure results in a more budder like consistensy but lower yeild from a single press, whilst usually damaging if not ripping the parchment. A second press can leech most of the rest of the oil, however the entire amount can be acheived from one squeeze of the hmk press, while not damaging the parchment at all allowing for almost unlimited reuse. Def interested to see the hard numbers on ideal psi. The only drawback to the quickgrip for me is my damn arthritis.
ChasingGreen
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Sunfire, reading your post was like taking a breath of fresh herb. Glad to see someone is documenting things, using quantifiable results, and providing the results with others. I agree that this t-shirt press I got is fairly useless for Rosin. I am also considering designing my own die's for a Hiker Grommet Press that I have laying around, but I'm not good at Solidworks and would need it made in there to send to the fabricator I use.
yes, i know guys touting 30% consistently, and one report of 33%.
Lyfespan
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very nice i dont feel to behind the curve then lol anyone else documenting the RH and temps of the area they squish in? with dropping temps collection gets fun hehe
I find that certain strains press better than others. I would decrease your temps, and clamp longer. Make sure your flower is tightly pre rolled into a snake or ball before pressing. FLOWER moisture is extremely important IMO. Too wet of flower will flatten the flower too thin, instead of extracting. Too dry of flower will just vaporize the bud and produce darker, thinner, and low yields. Good luck
Lyfespan
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temp/rh findings so far on 310 degree, low humidity containing buds(40%or less) between silicone sheets, using the HMK press
3 grams in at 60% 70 degrees, yielded .7 gr of reasonably stable rosin. this is on a 25 sec press, i do notice still small areas of condensation on the silicone when collecting
3 grams in at 20% 55 degrees of the same bud yields .8 is a shatter consistency and i need heat from my 18volt dewalt flashlight to warm for the collection. yields are very stable you can handle them even pressed out thin, no condensation when collection
low temp high rh days i wont even press, its not worth the work or loss
3 grams in of any high cbd and its all been a mess to collect, i always need a cold source under the silicone sheets when collecting, but if anyone has dabbed cdb rosin you know the taste is well worth the work, its straight candy
3 grams of hash in 25 bags has been doing ok at 2.3g collected from 73 heads.
fresh buds off the plant require you ease into the squish for an extended time, ive has some go 45 seconds to sizzle most of the watter out before applying pressure for another 20 seconds, you get particles, but well worth testing plants before harvest
oh hash presses in bags have been in parchment not silicone sheets, its just easier to press and go on that stuff lol, stacks of parchment really fast.
hope this helps some issues. im pretty ocd on documenting my work here so if you need help
also finishing up final details on my 5-20 gallon vibratory dry ice hash extractor, logos on buckets and what not. videos up on IG. this unit is so big you can process 5 pounds of trim at a time in the 20 gallon tubs with 10 pounds of dry ice 
Lyfespan
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defintiely have to tinker with your temps and squish times with the different moisture contents of flowers
310f pressed for 25 seconds seems a bit high/long...but if it works foor you, that's all that matters.
Are you getting this from flowers or hash?
If you're getting that kind of return from flowers, then I am doing something wrong.
I have not measured my yield from pressing the last few times but I was at about 10% last time I checked.
My bud is 6 weeks to 6 months old and has been stored in jars with 69rh Boveda packs and have never gone below that.
My press is pretty simple and well constructed. Harbor Freight 6 ton press. I usually press at 250F or so. Using standard Reynolds parchment.
If some people are getting 30%+ and I am getting 10%, either my pot sucks or I am doing something wrong.
If you're getting that kind of return from hash, not flowers...... never mind. LOL
some strains press better than others....also, if you try to squish too much at once, it does not mean increased yields. Try using less product, make sure you ball or roll your flower into a tight snake. Not sure of your current method. good luck
Lyfespan
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im squishing flowers by the pound here, strains used so far GG#4, C99, GSC, MDB, my OG, ultrabrite, widowberries, NL#5, blueberry skunk,fruitloop kush, and few others im forgetting. like i said i have squished all types of flowers at all different RH/temp combos, and quite a few press types. im planning another press build here after the Emerald Cup, unless funds dictate differently.
i was just out at that TerpWars event thrown this weekend, dont know if anyone alse went?
i get around 15% average return from using very nice trim in paper filter packets. after many pressings i extract what remains in the wafers by doing an ethanol wash. i use that for topicals and edibles, so it all works out in the end.
i guess if i didn't use a filter packet (so no loss to filter material) and i only squished trimmed top nugs of gg4 or something i might be closer to that 25%+ range, but i'd rather smoke the top flowers and rosin the B nugs.
no matter how good your tech is, you can't squeeze a higher yield of oils and terps out of your nug than what it tests at. no one is pulling 27% return on blue dream or whatever am i right?
i guess if i didn't use a filter packet (so no loss to filter material) and i only squished trimmed top nugs of gg4 or something i might be closer to that 25%+ range, but i'd rather smoke the top flowers and rosin the B nugs.
no matter how good your tech is, you can't squeeze a higher yield of oils and terps out of your nug than what it tests at. no one is pulling 27% return on blue dream or whatever am i right?
athomewithkyle
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hope this helps some issues. im pretty ocd on documenting my work here so if you need help
What's your IG link?
Foreverfamily
Member
whats the best and most reasonably priced press? for quantity?
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