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need advice about my recieved chemdog d cut with TMV symptons
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A) trust me, its on the east coast also
B) it spreads. period....
after growing the same strains in the same medium for YEARS, w the same nutes, same schedules, same lights, same everything. now i have it on strains that never showed it before the first cut i got with it(chemd).
---i dont know what it is, but it is not a cal/mag def.
B) it spreads. period....
after growing the same strains in the same medium for YEARS, w the same nutes, same schedules, same lights, same everything. now i have it on strains that never showed it before the first cut i got with it(chemd).
---i dont know what it is, but it is not a cal/mag def.
i might have to cull that ha ogk if that shit spreads
after inspecting my moms only one i noticed that you guys have mentioned definitely has it or something with those same weird ass patterns, the hells angel ogk cut.
the chemd ive had for the past couple years doesnt have it and neither does the raskal/fire ogk
raskals back, i gotta get my posts up again and ill pm you i got a question i been meaning to ask
after inspecting my moms only one i noticed that you guys have mentioned definitely has it or something with those same weird ass patterns, the hells angel ogk cut.
the chemd ive had for the past couple years doesnt have it and neither does the raskal/fire ogk
raskals back, i gotta get my posts up again and ill pm you i got a question i been meaning to ask
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JeffSpicoli
ya the HA def has/shows the trait.. Raskals/fire doesnt show it.
It does spread, ive seen it.. Havent seen it spread in my garden, but ive witnessed it in others.. And there are enough instances on here, that it obviously does spread. Is it really that detremental? not really, but at the same time.. Is it worth infected your other plants with it?
I dont know
For me, i havent really been to worried about it.. So im gonna keep my cuts that show the trait.. In all honesty, i almost kinda like the look of the weird leaves ;P
It does spread, ive seen it.. Havent seen it spread in my garden, but ive witnessed it in others.. And there are enough instances on here, that it obviously does spread. Is it really that detremental? not really, but at the same time.. Is it worth infected your other plants with it?
I dont know
For me, i havent really been to worried about it.. So im gonna keep my cuts that show the trait.. In all honesty, i almost kinda like the look of the weird leaves ;P
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Greyskull
it is kinda cool looking.
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Shit...thanks for those pics greyskull. Guess I did get TM...well, whatever it is, lol. Even spread to my Crayola mom when I got the cuts...not too much damage, leaf discoloration and curling DRAMATICALLY.
Had something like a few of the other pics, ended up frying my leaves and like a few of you have said, its almost like the plants look light burnt or something...
Really would love if someone knew what to battle this shit with....Glad I dont do cut trading too much...
Ill try isolating and see what happens.
I got a few chambers at Area 51 not being used, I kinda wanna try whoever said something about taking a cut of one of my 'infected' plants, and tossing it in a chamber and rubbing it against some clones from my mothers that havent shown any signs....see what comes of it.
Anyhoo...glad there is an effort to face this issue and ATTEMPT a resolution. I have heard a clone never loses its genetic potential, and I have heard a cut of a cut of a cut can get fucked off after a few runs. Anything to this either way? Someone mentioned, and CAN a cut get 'old'?
good vibes
Had something like a few of the other pics, ended up frying my leaves and like a few of you have said, its almost like the plants look light burnt or something...
Really would love if someone knew what to battle this shit with....Glad I dont do cut trading too much...
Ill try isolating and see what happens.
I got a few chambers at Area 51 not being used, I kinda wanna try whoever said something about taking a cut of one of my 'infected' plants, and tossing it in a chamber and rubbing it against some clones from my mothers that havent shown any signs....see what comes of it.
Anyhoo...glad there is an effort to face this issue and ATTEMPT a resolution. I have heard a clone never loses its genetic potential, and I have heard a cut of a cut of a cut can get fucked off after a few runs. Anything to this either way? Someone mentioned, and CAN a cut get 'old'?
good vibes
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NOYB
Hey Whiskey - if a virus not a damn thing you can do. If contagious, like many feel based on their experience, a friend thinks it is most likely a fungal infection based on the pics and some descriptions from people like Jeff I forwarded. Considering the fairly limited evidence my friend had to review please keep that in mind when reading his opinion.
Here's his full response...
IF a fungal infection I would think a hard core fungicide, combined with isolation, might be at least a good idea to think about testing.
Just more food for thought.
Jiggy - nice to see someone throw up some photos like that for comparo. Also nice to add in Tom's input regarding inbreeding and the Blueberry thing. Honestly see some clearly as mutant issues, some don't know and what I might consider the TMV issue look similar. That DJ F13 pic seems to straddle both a bit though.
Here's his full response...
IF a fungus then I'd look at using a heavy duty, non-organic, broad spectrum fungicide. Maybe something like Physan-20 will fit the bill? I know Eagle-20 is supposedly a knockout punch for PM. Got some from a peep and said he sprayed the lower part of the plant and got rid of the PM on the entire plant...and never came back.
IF a fungal infection I would think a hard core fungicide, combined with isolation, might be at least a good idea to think about testing.
Just more food for thought.
Jiggy - nice to see someone throw up some photos like that for comparo. Also nice to add in Tom's input regarding inbreeding and the Blueberry thing. Honestly see some clearly as mutant issues, some don't know and what I might consider the TMV issue look similar. That DJ F13 pic seems to straddle both a bit though.
Some are a virus and some arent..Its that simple...~ogr
P.s....Obsoul33t already sent tissue samples of the ChemD clone to a University for testing and it came back positive for TMV...He told me this himself and posted it on another site...~ogr
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NOYB
So it was Obsoul? Makes that claim of TMV a bit more credible and if TMV, from what I understand, you're screwed and basically need to trash your stock but also seems many growers have been dealing with this issue for years and feel that it's barely a nuisance...even though it spreads.
Yeah Osoul33t and Nspecta IGT know all about the ChemD clone having TMV....Both are stand up credible guys in my opinion...It wasnt much of a nuisance to me either I just didnt like how it looked...It was the only fucked up looking plant in my garden and i was sick of looking at it...Luckily i passed it to a freind to hold before it spread....Now my Freind has like 3 or 4 strains infected thanks to me...LOL..Fucked up shit...~ogr
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NOYB
I would just like to know definitively WTF this issue is...LOL!
ya ive only had one single plant suffer from it, and that was grower error. it has been established that if the plant is kept in optimum shape, it will pull through just fine....the plant that i, essentially, lost, was thrashed on and succumbed to light poisining...i think it was crazy composer who pointed out if conditions arent kept at optimum levels this can be a problem. its really the only problem ive seen....other then the spreading!
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NOYB
A bit of Googling for TMV treatments...
DMSO is available on just about any health food store shelf. I and friends have used it topically with no ill effects but don't know how it will affect plants. From what I understand DMSO penetrates quickly and is easily distributed throughout the body and 'probably' the same with plants.
Don't know how credible this info is and did not look through it start to finish...
http://vir.sgmjournals.org/cgi/reprint/53/2/225.pdf
Just more food for thought...and then there's...
Inactivating TMV (from APS website) The most effective sterilant for controlling TMV is a solution of 3% trisodium phosphate. This solution has a high pH and completely inactivates TMV. It is too alkaline to use for hand washing, but is ideal for tools, crop wires and other surfaces.
TMV is unusual in that the coat protein of the virus reacts with proteins in skim milk, and hence skim milk can be used as an inactivator of the virus. Skim milk is quite safe for hand washing.
Transmission of Tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) to tobacco plants by workers who intentionally contaminated their hands with the virus prior to transplanting tobacco seedlings resulted in 100 percent infection.' Tobacco plants that were transplanted after the worker's TMV-contaminated hands were washed in milk were not infected with TMV. The tobacco cultivar is Clemson PD-4. Hand washing with milk or soap and water reduced the incidence of TMV by 95 or 100%, respectively. A comprehensive program of hand washes, sanitation, rotation, rogueing infected plants, and use of resistance varieties is suggested.
For control of Tobacco Mosaic Virus-MILK (Whole or skim at 5 gals /100 gallons water or dried milk at 5 lbs/100 gallons water per 100 sq. yds. of plants). Spray plants 1 to 24 hrs before handling them. This treatment has also been used successfully prior to clipping of large plants, but it can be very messy unless the system drys well following the application. It should be combined with washing hands at 15 minute intervals either in the clean milk solution or a phosphate detergent. This treatment is warranted if TMV susceptible varieties are being used or in mixed houses with resistant and susceptible varieties.
Did someone already mention the product called Messenger for activating a plants natural resistance to diseases?
Seems a strong fungicide treatment test would be interesting to see if a plant can 'grow out of it'.
I also read that the TMV virus can lay dormant for 2 frikkin years and crop rotation has been recommended to deal with contaminated areas.
DMSO is available on just about any health food store shelf. I and friends have used it topically with no ill effects but don't know how it will affect plants. From what I understand DMSO penetrates quickly and is easily distributed throughout the body and 'probably' the same with plants.
Don't know how credible this info is and did not look through it start to finish...
http://vir.sgmjournals.org/cgi/reprint/53/2/225.pdf
Just more food for thought...and then there's...
Inactivating TMV (from APS website) The most effective sterilant for controlling TMV is a solution of 3% trisodium phosphate. This solution has a high pH and completely inactivates TMV. It is too alkaline to use for hand washing, but is ideal for tools, crop wires and other surfaces.
TMV is unusual in that the coat protein of the virus reacts with proteins in skim milk, and hence skim milk can be used as an inactivator of the virus. Skim milk is quite safe for hand washing.
Transmission of Tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) to tobacco plants by workers who intentionally contaminated their hands with the virus prior to transplanting tobacco seedlings resulted in 100 percent infection.' Tobacco plants that were transplanted after the worker's TMV-contaminated hands were washed in milk were not infected with TMV. The tobacco cultivar is Clemson PD-4. Hand washing with milk or soap and water reduced the incidence of TMV by 95 or 100%, respectively. A comprehensive program of hand washes, sanitation, rotation, rogueing infected plants, and use of resistance varieties is suggested.
For control of Tobacco Mosaic Virus-MILK (Whole or skim at 5 gals /100 gallons water or dried milk at 5 lbs/100 gallons water per 100 sq. yds. of plants). Spray plants 1 to 24 hrs before handling them. This treatment has also been used successfully prior to clipping of large plants, but it can be very messy unless the system drys well following the application. It should be combined with washing hands at 15 minute intervals either in the clean milk solution or a phosphate detergent. This treatment is warranted if TMV susceptible varieties are being used or in mixed houses with resistant and susceptible varieties.
Did someone already mention the product called Messenger for activating a plants natural resistance to diseases?
Seems a strong fungicide treatment test would be interesting to see if a plant can 'grow out of it'.
I also read that the TMV virus can lay dormant for 2 frikkin years and crop rotation has been recommended to deal with contaminated areas.
As to Chemdog D and "TMV",let me tell you this-if there's any adverse effect the so-called "TMV" has on the Chemdog D Clone,I have yet to see it,in years & years of growing it.
....Longer than 99.9% of these so-called "old school" members....If you all recall,I had it years ahead of the rest of the proletariat,as I did the Sour Diesel Clone-which I've had almost a decade.
The "TMV Scare" is pathetic,and uncalled for,and plays on the ignorance of others. The sooner people figure that out,the better off you'll all be.
Cheers!
....Longer than 99.9% of these so-called "old school" members....If you all recall,I had it years ahead of the rest of the proletariat,as I did the Sour Diesel Clone-which I've had almost a decade.
The "TMV Scare" is pathetic,and uncalled for,and plays on the ignorance of others. The sooner people figure that out,the better off you'll all be.
Cheers!
Well...that was a fun read...All the requirements needed to make a thread a complete shitshow...
Hello again folks,
Sooner or later, clones fall to infectious systemic diseases, this is what takes them out, not getting old in and of itself.
Those diseases are many, eg viruses, fungi, bacteria etc, and it seems the easiest way around this is to store healthy seed before this happens.
I think the "you have TMV man" diagnosis that goes down in the forums lately is over used, and lacking science - considering how many things can and do cause similar symptoms.
At the same time, it is certainly possible that viruses do exist in our collective clone and gene pool. So, what do we do about it? First, I surely would want to confirm this for myself.
We can do this now in the comfort of our own kitchens, check out agdia inc, where we can buy test strip assays, https://orders.agdia.com/InventoryD.asp?loc=IN&collection=ISK 57400&attribute_Size=25 check with the company you will also need a buffer solution and perhaps some other tools as well.
Once a systemic pathogen is/if confirmed, then we need to make some decisions, is it worth trying to breed around? Could try to "grow out of it" but I doubt this is very likely. It has been found that some plants can grow slightly faster than some viruses can migrate, but fast enough for tissue culture from tiny pieces of brand new growth, not fast enough to take new clean cuts in the way we might be imagining - even with cell strengthening techniques that are being suggested.
As also suggested, heat will kill microbes, got the flue get a fever. Heat ruptures cells walls, membranes, damages proteins and nucleic acids. I however doubt that we can bring the tissue of a living plant to the necessary temps (pathogen specific surely) without killing the plant much more often than not. Many cannabis strains in my experience are right at the edge at around 124f ambient temperature and I would think that the plant tissue must be much lower than that at those temps.
Might try thermotherapy on seeds before sprouting each generation and try to breed around it.
Soak seeds in 50c (122f) water for 30 minutes, then plunge into cold water, then dry (Maude 1996). Then sprout, grow, select, knock on wood and retest for pathogens. Good luck - Tom
Sooner or later, clones fall to infectious systemic diseases, this is what takes them out, not getting old in and of itself.
Those diseases are many, eg viruses, fungi, bacteria etc, and it seems the easiest way around this is to store healthy seed before this happens.
I think the "you have TMV man" diagnosis that goes down in the forums lately is over used, and lacking science - considering how many things can and do cause similar symptoms.
At the same time, it is certainly possible that viruses do exist in our collective clone and gene pool. So, what do we do about it? First, I surely would want to confirm this for myself.
We can do this now in the comfort of our own kitchens, check out agdia inc, where we can buy test strip assays, https://orders.agdia.com/InventoryD.asp?loc=IN&collection=ISK 57400&attribute_Size=25 check with the company you will also need a buffer solution and perhaps some other tools as well.
Once a systemic pathogen is/if confirmed, then we need to make some decisions, is it worth trying to breed around? Could try to "grow out of it" but I doubt this is very likely. It has been found that some plants can grow slightly faster than some viruses can migrate, but fast enough for tissue culture from tiny pieces of brand new growth, not fast enough to take new clean cuts in the way we might be imagining - even with cell strengthening techniques that are being suggested.
As also suggested, heat will kill microbes, got the flue get a fever. Heat ruptures cells walls, membranes, damages proteins and nucleic acids. I however doubt that we can bring the tissue of a living plant to the necessary temps (pathogen specific surely) without killing the plant much more often than not. Many cannabis strains in my experience are right at the edge at around 124f ambient temperature and I would think that the plant tissue must be much lower than that at those temps.
Might try thermotherapy on seeds before sprouting each generation and try to breed around it.
Soak seeds in 50c (122f) water for 30 minutes, then plunge into cold water, then dry (Maude 1996). Then sprout, grow, select, knock on wood and retest for pathogens. Good luck - Tom
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so again you can all laugh at me and keep bringing up that i uploaded the wrong pic....its fine...... it may not only be a deffency mabey it is something....... ( ill bet my balls its grower caused.) but it seems that anyones whos opnions i respect say the same..................
NOT TMV
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JeffSpicoli
you really think its "grower caused"??? Did you not just read how many respected growers posted seeing similar mutations?
