my home was raided for a high powerbill!

[dontstepongrass]

this thread makes me LOL

and imo, high power consumption being reported to cops would result in a knock n talk had this been their only clue...

 

[Cinderella99]

Having said that, it seems Leo will be hard pressed to get warrants based solely on inductive loads being present in your grow. Any electromagnet will produce this load, such as a computer power supply or motor. Granted not for twelve continous hours.

That's what I suspected. There is really no "unique" signature for halide/hps (much to the chagrin of LEDgirl I'm sure) that is a "tell"...

I'm sure space heaters are an "inductive" load as well.

Moreover, it seems that hours/ watt usage is the only sort of real potential "tell" ---rather than unique signatures for HIDs.

See, now this is useful information that we are sharing with each other. Thanks for that simple answer-- I had to wade through a lot of BS to get this. Thanks again!

Let's be honest: Selling by fear mongering Sucks. We were sold shiite this way by the Bush administration for 8 years...

 

[gaiusmarius]

well i ain't selling shit and i have it from a very trust worthy source that the new digital electric meters can recognize something in the electricity that goes back from hps lights. he didn't explain in great detail as our power companies here don't give a shit as long as you pay, are safe and not causing any disruptions to the network. but apparently it is easy to see with a digital meter if a hps ballast was powered. now it might be that there are 1 or two other items that give off a similar or the same signature, that i do not know. maybe he meant the fact that its' inductive and mostly running at 12/12 is the give away i don't know, but it sounded like he meant the lamps give off a unique sig. but even so there are many legitimate reasons for a hps, so i don't see it being a real problem.

 

[Cinderella99]

well i ain't selling shit and i have it from a very trust worthy source that the new digital electric meters can recognize something in the electricity that goes back from hps lights. he didn't explain in great detail as our power companies here don't give a shit as long as you pay, are safe and not causing any disruptions to the network. but apparently it is easy to see with a digital meter if a hps ballast was powered. now it might be that there are 1 or two other items that give off a similar or the same signature, that i do not know. maybe he meant the fact that its' inductive and mostly running at 12/12 is the give away i don't know, but it sounded like he meant the lamps give off a unique sig. but even so there are many legitimate reasons for a hps, so i don't see it being a real problem.

Cool, bro. I wonder if the way HID's come online or surge in power, respond to a surge in power or whatnot could have something to do in the way of a possible unique signature or "tell". Because I swear that I thought PG&E threw a couple surges very close to when I started using my 1k last year...Maybe I'm trippin or maybe the surges came from the light itself (even though it usually had been on for sometime). I wonder if it's routine to check for load loss or appliance footprint if there's a big wattage usage increase month to month by reading the feedback from a disrupted flow...If so, seems a power conditioner could be the answer...But then again, this threads got me trippin LOL

 

[VERMI]

i dont know much but what about power inverters and deep cylce batteries? again i dont know much.

 

[Strainhunter]

i dont know much but what about power inverters and deep cylce batteries? again i dont know much.

No.

Keep in mind they still would have to be charged and the electricity for that would have to come from somewhere + the cost factor for the whole set-up.

 

[perennial]

DrBud claimed to do his CFL grows off grid with solar panels. He did admit to needing to use a genny from time to time. Unless you were already planning to go off grid, the expense wouldn't be worth it.

A large grow was busted north of here with over 150 plants. They were completely off grid and using diesel generators that were muffled. They were busted because of a snitch. I guess it's not enough to take care of power issues if you're selling.

 

[igorski]

hm, who knows..

 

[igorski]

SNITCHINNNNN'...

 

[Danks2005]

Keep in mind saltwater reeftanks use MH lighting, and the same 12/12 schedule, so inductive load at 12/12 should not be enough for a warrent alone. Maybe not 8k unless it is one huge tank, but for the average closet grower, you don't see people with reef tanks getting their doors kicked in. I'm sure they had something to go with high power usage.

 

[watson540]

yeah ..

i dont care what mod heard what HEARSAY from who..No one remembers the "telephone" game from youth??

How do you think things get interpreted when you have an expert who works for the power co, try to put stuff in regular peoples terms so he can tell his buddy anyway?? Add to that you guys were probably stoned while talking about, then maybe your memory adds or subtracts a few things

What im trying to say is: ENOUGH OF THE HEARSAY..POST LINKS or PROOF of this MAGICAL "signature" that ONLY HID lights produce, thats gonna get us busted or JUST GIVE UP ALREADY!!..

You know, I have it on good authority that the world is FLAT so chew on that for a while..Excuse more for being so skeptical, but I just keep seeing ridiculous claims from people NOT QUALIFIED to claim them..and NO PROOF

 

[SOTF420]

All major appliances and major power consuming devices including HID ballasts have a start up voltage spike & operate at a known frequency that is easily recognizable. There are also smart chips inside newer devices that communicate directly to the smart meters. All of these devices and their usage signatures have been recorded and compiled into a database that the electrical company has in usage right now as you read this. You can believe what you want, this is not new info & many people have been aware of this issue for years. If ignorance is bliss then you are totally ignorant I guess! If you have a smart meter you better cover your tracks!

 

[watson540]

LINK OR ITS A LIE

type all you want, how can you convince without any PROOF?

I would also like to see this "spreadsheet" of "known appliances and major appliances" frequencies..is something all new electronic manufacturers have to do?? "oh hey guys almost got this to market all we have to do now is record all the frequency and voltage spike info so we can pass it on to the govt. so we can spy on people's cofee makers"

little hard to swallow friend

and dont forget to link to these awesome "smart chips" that are raising manuf. costs for no apparent reason other than to appease the federal govts. wishes to spy on my washer and dryer
thanks
ps: hate to be the negative nancy of the thread, but someone needs to ask these questions..I just figure if its such common knowledge there ought to be some pretty common PROOF. I just hate FUD, and im not calling anyone a liar, but everyone wants to voice their opinion but have no proof to back it up

 

[Strainhunter]

LINK OR ITS A LIE

type all you want, how can you convince without any PROOF?

........

I don't have a link but my washer and dryer have one of those chips in them.



EDIT: I googled....here is a general info link:

http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/landing/smartmetering/index.html?DCMP=Metering&HQS=Other+OT+metering

 

[watson540]

I don't have a link but my washer and dryer have one of those chips in them.



EDIT: I googled....here is a general info link:

http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/landing/smartmetering/index.html?DCMP=Metering&HQS=Other+OT+metering

thanks finally some real info, going to read it to see how much to FEAR my washer and dryer

good info on that page..the chip looks flashable so you can hack it and play doom on your washer probably..As I speculated a few pages back, it operates using BPL, and CAN talk to other meters and the electric company. Looks to be capable of lots of things..However, I highly doubt any manufacturer will be implementing them into any HID grow lights (even at under a dollar per chip)..and if they do you can always make your own..

If it comes down to it, the pinout is right there on their site, cut the two BPL pins, and its just like cutting the tongue out. I won't fear these until the govt mandates they be in every single appliance in the US (but even then, older appliances will be exempt)

Again, thanks SH for real info..it tells a little bit of the story, but it still doesnt prove that the electric companies of the world all share the same secret database of "telltale signatures" (and/or the purpose reasoning behind this idea)

 

[SOTF420]

watson540, dude I guess if you don't know how to use google yourself then you probably shouldn't even be on the computer man. Believe what you want, it's reality and the power companies do cooperate with law enforcement, just like your ISP and cellphone company does/will. You are not free and you have basically no privacy, there is an illusion of it but it does not really exist anymore after 9/11 and the patriot act so get it through your thick skull we are not making this shit up. You live in the matrix. Have fun kids!

 

[texsativa]

thanks finally some real info, going to read it to see how much to FEAR my washer and dryer

good info on that page..the chip looks flashable so you can hack it and play doom on your washer probably..As I speculated a few pages back, it operates using BPL, and CAN talk to other meters and the electric company. Looks to be capable of lots of things..However, I highly doubt any manufacturer will be implementing them into any HID grow lights (even at under a dollar per chip)..and if they do you can always make your own..

If it comes down to it, the pinout is right there on their site, cut the two BPL pins, and its just like cutting the tongue out. I won't fear these until the govt mandates they be in every single appliance in the US (but even then, older appliances will be exempt)

Again, thanks SH for real info..it tells a little bit of the story, but it still doesnt prove that the electric companies of the world all share the same secret database of "telltale signatures" (and/or the purpose reasoning behind this idea)

Think about the negative as well as the positive. If it is not the washer, if it is not the dryer, if it not the a/c, what could it be?

 

[watson540]

watson540, dude I guess if you don't know how to use google yourself then you probably shouldn't even be on the computer man. Believe what you want, it's reality and the power companies do cooperate with law enforcement, just like your ISP and cellphone company does/will. You are not free and you have basically no privacy, there is an illusion of it but it does not really exist anymore after 9/11 and the patriot act so get it through your thick skull we are not making this shit up. You live in the matrix. Have fun kids!

hey, its not like i live in a fantasy land..I'm just a skeptic..Im not saying I WONT believe I'm just asking for a little PROOF

such as this 60 page document here http://www.dora.state.co.us/PUC/Doc...I-593EG_Spring2009Report-SmartGridPrivacy.pdf

after all this, i had to hunt it down myself..of course I can google, but usually the burden of proof is on the one making outrageous claims

 

[watson540]

Think about the negative as well as the positive. If it is not the washer, if it is not the dryer, if it not the a/c, what could it be?

I can tell you what it WONT be..nothing in my house. As a consumer I have the right to choose what I buy, and I tend to research my buying decisions fairly well, especially when we are talking about a thousand dollar front loader washer..

With all the hacked consoles I have..from opening the ps2 up for a tray mod, to opening and flashing an original xbox, to soft modding psp's or whatever..how could you think an appliance would scare me?? if I simply MUST have the latest gadget that spies on me (and it wont be a secret, im sure it will be a selling point of the appliance)..I'll simply disable it, by downloading the pinout from the TI website like i did earlier, or I'll hook up to the serial port on the thing and reflash it to play tetris instead of spying on me..

as far as signatures and smart reading (sans the ti spy chip)..well the document i linked to had some interesting info on this, its from last year. This is a fairly new frontier...I dont give up hope that you can just jam the frequency in a last resort..but im sure some good hacker will lead the way..Thats not to say that we wont see new legislation on this as well (although i cant realistically hold up hope it would do anything of use)

 

[SOTF420]

...and we are very proud of you.

If you have a smart meter, it communicates to the power company as part of the smart grid and if you run an HID growlight straight off the wall outlet they will know what it is if they are looking. This is a fact, very far from an "outrageous claim".