Mr Greenjeans does the Seed Thang

[Guest]

MGJ, you said a while back (#270) that using the graduated pots made for faster growth. I've heard this before. My question is, why? It seems that the roots would have more growing room, but seems taint so. Sorry, I just like to know the why of something as well as the what I should do.

Just a very wild guess, but could the confinement provide denser root areas, and more efficient absorbtion of the nutes? Nah, that's too wild...
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Hey, this crazy gas mask don't seal around my beard. MGJ, looks like I'm gonna need one of them custom masks like Garlic got. I'm gettin' straight again. Gads, where's a bong fulla hash when ya need one?

K

Keef i think you just hit the nail on the head? I just dumped my soil from my urkle today and the root mass wasn't that big at all. I think the plants like being root bound before transplanting?

Why I don't know? I transplanted my urkles from 3 gallon buckets to 20 gallon buckets this spring and they seemed to stop growing for a while and never put on any substantial size after that. My yield was greatly effected by this this year. My plants that i grew last year were root bound every time I transplanted them ( I did multiple transplants last year) and my yield just killed this years yield.

I think MJ likes bongdage!!!!

BF leave us old guys alone!!! We have earned our gask masks and lazy boys!!!! Put the mask down and nobody gets hurt????? Better watch out because me and Keef have each others backs and you know what they say " the older the wiser"!!! Keef it's OK you can put your gun away I think BF got the message!!! J/K LMAO

GCG

 

[The Budfather]

woa woa,no need for weapons, maybe a "who can take the biggest bong rip" contest is in order. I think i'd beat the pants off you old fogeys!! but ya never know, now do ya?

 

[glasspackedbowl]

Hey MJG.
Those PS's LST easily dont they? I can tell you just gotta keep grabing tops and pulling them down. My PPP mom of my pure PPP seeds Grew just like your front one is now. I somehow made it twist so the buds spiriled up. The PPP also has a foxtailing gene so I hope we see something from these last 3.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya BF
Don't have a handle on how much fert that is - sounds like a lot - I've been mixing to an EC / TDS meter for over a year now. Mine stay hungry for nitrogen and Mg until the last 3 weeks of a 60 day flower.

BTW ""who can take the biggest bong rip" contest is in order. I think i'd beat the pants off you old fogeys!! " Oh yeah? Don't underestimate the volume of an iron lung!!!

Hiya KF
Ok, here it is, the prelim release of my Plantenstein studies - I've saved the pots from the culled G99 males, and a couple of other pots with the roots of the last lifesavers after harvest. Sliced 'em in half vertically and did a post mortem...

I believe that soon after the roots initially settle in and root growth starts again, the plant prefers to grow roots radially away from the center of the plant. Then when it hits the wall of the pot, the root tips dive for the bottom with some criss cross growth across the soil surface bordering the side of the pot. When the roots hit the bottom there is a tendency for many of the roots to encircle the base, but at the same time the roots remaining along the side of the pot start growing in toward the center. The central area of the soil ball closest to the base of the plant fills in the most, the central area of the soil ball at the base of the pot fills in the least or not at all.

In my larger pots the roots never get to the bottom early enough to stimulate encircling or central growth of the roots.

Now why this is a bigger issue in pots than in the ground, I've got no clue. Now for an explanation over and above some type of barrier induced growth hormone signal speeding root development, will try to find some info on horticulture sites...

Oh ok, too much equipment customization guys - gonna have to go back to regular ole smoke house furniture and equipment. Recliners are donated to Hemptation Army. except for mine; my dog Cerebrus will snooze on it when I'm out and about - don't tease him too much, he's a good dog but not a cuddle bunny if ya know what I mean...
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The whole recliner area is now lined with tempurpedic mattress foam, self customized to each visitor's bod... The masks are now replaced by 1" diameter industrial clear PVC, plenty for everyone to have their own

Oh and KH, let's get ya back up to altitude - here's a treat for ya - put this 10 gram chunk of adamantium irradiated neutronium concentrated hash... Suck it on down and you should be good for at least another few hours

Hiya Garlic
I'm gonna have to start slippin some thorazine into some of the drinks here , I got the roughouse gang rumpusing in my rumpus room!!!

Your pot size experience jives with mine. And yes, MJ definitely likes bondage games indoors, although if living outside she sure likes to be footloose and fancy free....

Hiya GPB
Believe it or not I didn't lst that plant, I fimmed her! So she is a branchy pheno without lst I see a phat girl comin on down the line

 

[TML16]

Beautiful stuff MGJ

Glad to see you're back in flower It's always my favourite part of your grows :smile:

Just checkin in for a quick second to check out the plants and snag some of those fresh baked muffins

 

[dwtc]

MJG

plants are lookin sweet. i'm deff doin bigger pots next time. i to have noticed that the LS are very nitrogen and mg hungry, but i'm pretty close to finish so next time i'll know. can't wait for the tasty bud shots from ya, sure they'll be geat .

GARLIC and KIEF sure are some fiesty old koots , heres the hose and i just packed it with some tangerine kush i got today(sadly i smoked it before i thought about a pic, it was only a couple grams). i cleaned the mask out for ya. i'm off to get another snickerdoodle . hey chevy wake up dude your next :friends:


stay safe people,,,,,,,,,,dwtc

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya TML
Thanks so much for the visit and comments my friend! Looking forward to All Hallow's Eve and more time hangin with ya! And take a 6 pack of muffins for the road - WARNING I used the adamantium irradiated neutronium concentrated hash to make 'em - one bite your good, two bites yer out!!!

Hiya D-Dub
Thanks my friend - pictures for you and BF comin up. If they do just a bit better than my last one - I hope - I should get 3-4 zs from two plants this size and I'd be a very happy stoner...

Yeah - rambunctious boys - gotta switch the pipe to loads of Deep Chunk - that should keep them calm and relaxed Hey wait, I forgot I loaded that adamantium irradiated neutronium concentrated hash into the vape - everyone's taking siestas on the tempurpedic now Thanks for cleaning up a bit. I think Heavy is in hash heaven siesta-ville..., Garlic too!

Ok BF, this one's for you and D-Dub. Here's one of the LS at day 3 flower - vegged 2+ months, tops and closeup:


Even though I'm feeding them well, still a touch of yellow in some of the leaves. Last run I ran up the EC too quick to green her up and overshot which hurt her a bit, so this time I'm taking it easy and increasing a couple hundred ppms per feeding.

 

[Keefhead]

I think MJ likes bongdage!!!!

Just what I need is some S&M goin' on in my grow room....

MGJ & GCG - Thanks for your explanations and comments.

It makes sense to me, far more than any conclusion I might have reached. It certainly goes along with the few observations I've made. I just didn't know what I was seeing. From now on I'm gonna pay a lot more attention to my roots. Now I'm wondering just how this plays over in the hydro world? The thought there tends to be that the larger the bucket, the bigger the tree. However the whole root thing is totally different there. Aeration, medium, etc. OK, never mind. Is there no end to the learning and experimenting? I think not.....

Just how long do I have to wear this NuBee hat?

And I just gotta comment on your pics. You always have such nice level green canopies. You are truly an inspiration to people like me. I've often had that (dangerous) attitude that if he can do it, so can I. I get into a LOT of trouble that way. Not to mention that it usually just ain't so. But plants that look like that, yeah, someday...
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An dwtc - about garlic city gro, yeah, man, he ain't old yet. Like I told SCF one time, just wait, you young whippersnapper you, wait'll you get all the grey hairs, then lose them, and your hearing aid batteries go low, and your arthritis won't let you replace them, and the pacemaker needs a new battery too, and you can't find your glasses because you left them next to your teeth, and the doctor bills are overdue, and the pharmacy screwed up your meds again, and - you - just - peed - your - pants. Life just don't get no better than that.

GCG, do you think BF figured out that all I had was a water pistol? I dunno, I think he caught on.

I just looked this over. Man, what a few bongs of hash will do to a person.

Did anybody ever realize that Douglas Adams had the answer right, he just forgot the zero? Food for thought.

K

 

[!PeAcE!]

Hey mr green jeans,
a little late i think i am but not too late to pull up a chair!!
later brotha

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya KH
Wow man, great post and great questions! Believe it or not I still feel like a newb myself. I won't feel like a sophmore until I get a better handle on my nutes / soil so I don't have to wait until my leaf edges are burnt to implement plant CPR

I think hydro is a horse of a different color. No concentration gradients like can happen in soil, no pH / EC changes as the soil goes from wet to dry, uniform oxygenation... I would guess that all these things allow the roots to grow without impediment.

No end to experimentation - for those of us not blessed with < plant them in soil, feed by the numbers and harvest perfect green plants > - it's the only way to figure out our enviroment and tweak things a bit to compensate for what the plants don't like.

Thanks for the props on my can-o-pea-s. There I've been very fortunate - a little lst or a bit of fim, sometimes just a single topping and most branches end up growing together. The one or two that pop up more than a few inches get a pinch to slow an inch once or twice and that's it. My first run I lst'ed the shit out of the plants to keep a super even canopy and turned my 42 day trainwrecks to 80+ day flower plants I just tweak a bit now and things seem to come out ok.

Garlic's younger than me by a score or so, so I get to call him a young whippersnapper too Although it's never too soon to take a good look at the light on that train coming down the track

Water pistol - hope you loaded it with dog pheremons - it'll make for an interesting walk home for whoever you target!

Doug Adams - genius of the 20th century - right up there with Einstein and Siggy Freud IMO!

Hiya PeAcE
You're early not late my brotha! Although there's 20 pages already, this is the beginning of this years grow - My seed plants have barely started sexing and I just started to flower a few plants to give me some hooch while I suss out the younger plants. Pull up a seat, make yourself at home, it's my pleasure to have ya visit. Vapor-Vac tubes are all around, canna-treats on the back table next to the hash and bud for the vape.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

as the soil goes from wet to dry, uniform oxygenation... I would guess that all these things allow the roots to grow without impediment.

in my soil containers i like to drill 3/8-1/2 inch holes every 2-3 inch startn from the top of container go 2-3 inch down and drill like this container in the pic on the right

both wide side have holes placed same the narrow sides have 1 row of holes i find this to provide excellent root airation also i keep it elevated about 1/2 inch off ground bottom has alot of drainage holes. helps soil to dry faster even the 2 gal grow bags from last run i cut slices in lol only containers i dont add extra holes in are starter conatiners.

 

[Guest]

Keef I don't know what you are talking about saying you are a newb??? You have got plenty of skills.

MGJ had the best explanation of how the roots develop and grow. I am not as well spoken as MGJ, I have it in my pea brain but putting into words is hard for me. As far as hydro goes I think the root mass grows and develops a lot quicker because of the availability of more oxygen.

I'm not to sure that bigger pots are necessary to grow big plants in hydro? From my experience with hydro I was able to grow 2-3 foot tall bushes in my 6x6x8 pots. If you use 5 gallon buckets you will be able to grow trees like Somoz.

If you take a look at the root mass that develops in hydro you will see that it is quite a bit more than in soil. If you could get the same root mass in soil as you do in hydro imagine how big your plants would be able to grow. remember that in hydro basically all that is in your pots are roots. The medium is basically there to hold your plant up.

I'm no expert by any means just a Middle aged guy ( is that better MGJ and Keef?) rambling here.

Keef you crack me up!!!!

I'm sorry MGJ I'll start playing nice no need to dope.

Keef don't tell anyone, but MGJ's dog likes me I keep giving him Urkle scooby snacks. Now he won't leave me alone. I have a new best friend

GCG

 

[!PeAcE!]

hey garlic questionwell a curious question for everyone ?? well a idea actually what if you took a air pump and ran a line to the bottom on soil?? nothing??? like when you filled the pot with soil and ran a air hose throughout the pot with a cork at the end and holes along the way could possibly anything happen??? just a idea

 

[The Budfather]

hey mgj, i swear your leaves hit the head on mine straight up same structure!!hows the smoke, assuming they are the same pheno?
keef- man you got me scared now, all this talk of old age, oh well i always think the older guys are great they seem to have much wisdom .... but dont get me started on older women, i think they get even crazier with age, i mean dont get me wrong i love my mom and my grandmother but their is just something missing that i will never get.
gcg-THOSE WERE SCOOBY SNACKS.....ruh oh!!!!

 

[Guest]

Peace I don't think an air hose in soil will work? The soil will clog all the holes in the airline. I wish it did though it would really help root development if it did. Maybe we might have to try it though and see if it works or not?

BF those are special homemade scooby snacks laced with urkle butter. Why do you think Cerebus is always sleeping on my feet?

GCG

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Hiya Major
Good thinkin! I have a 5 gal that I punched couple dozen 2" diameter holes in because the wreck that was in her was drownin - really helped! Only problem was I guess too many holes because in the later weeks of flower I had to water her daily and sometimes twice a day Smaller holes - like you did - are the way to go!

Hiya Garlic
I guess we all feel ourselves to be newbs for some time - even with a bit of experience - must be related to that grass is always greener in the neighbors yard thing I have to admit KH is one of the all around experienced Renaissance Man "newbs" I've personally met! Now KH, no need for

Middle Aged Guy - that's the ticket Garlic - you and Ray Romano!!! Us crabby old guys with our aches and pains... fussy fussy fussy And no worries, I'll put away the Thorazine....

You found the secret of Cerberus - He likes Urkle - after he et the star, the only urkles left are the plants. You sly devil you - can't get anything by ya!!! :friends: Be careful of his slobber though - it's as thick as jelly fish and as sticky as tar - yucko...

Hiya !PeAcE!
Hmmm - I seem to remember that Packn2puff stuck and airhose either in the bottom of a soil pot or through and into the bottom of a rapid rooter and saw kickass root development. I think with air constantly blowing out the tube wouldn't get plugged, but don't know about blowing away soil in an area over time. Sounds like it might be time for you to run a test!

Hiya BF
Yes, they look very much the same. My limitation in yield has been feeding - I haven't been able to ramp her up quick enough in early flower yet, another run or two will take care of that :smile:

No worries - us older guys will be around for a while - medicine these days, despite the bad press, is pretty amazing. I mean if it weren't for modern medicine I'd be spending most of my day in bed, I haven't spent all day in bed since my college days

Don't get me started on old ladies

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Chop chop chop

Chop chop chop

Update
Eyeing the plants before up potting them, I realised I had no vertical room for either a taller pot or a taller plant! at 18-21" height the central plants are within 4-5" of the light. Ok, need to cut 'em off at the knees...

Since I might have enought room for one more plant in the cab, I selected that Powerskunk that looks lst'ed and set it aside for transplant later. I can always set her behind the light if I need vertical space before flowering. The others - well it's gonna happen again if I don't cut them short, won't be ready for more plants in the cab for at least another 6-7 weeks. Usually when I trim I prefer to cut back to 2nd node a branch for safety, this time I took them back to first node on each branch. Took 2 cuts from the shortest node G99 ( pictured below ) to root. No more room for rooting - I'm all filled up! These G99 cuts will only get a cup of plain water, will change the water every day and wait...

Before:


After:


What a difference! I suspect they're gonna bush out like crazy now - cutting that much green off is a strong growth stimulus when sitting on a good sized rootball. Hope it holds them for a while...

 

[Guest]

MGJ so Sparky already tried the airline in the soil HUH? I guess I'll have to PM him and see what he thought about it?

Did TP come over last night with his electric pruning shears and help you top your plants? That definitely looks like something he has done lately.

Alright I have done some tinkering in my barn and this is what I came up with. I took 4 vaporizers and installed the hoses to a 4 foot tall shop fan. Now I have a few rolls of plastic and a couple of sleeves of duct tape.

This is my plan!!!!! I bring the plastic and duct tape over to your house. We seal the viewing room up air tight. We put the shop fan in the doorway and seal all around it. Everyone gets inside and we fire the fan and the vaporizers up. The room fills with vaped smoke and everyone's happy!!!!! No more fighting over the vape-vac!!!!!! Garlic solved the problems between the old guys and the young whippersnappers.

GCG

 

[!PeAcE!]

I will be running a test to see what happens with a airline going through the soil im going to spiral it from the bottom to to the top when transplanted in its final pot for flower ill be sure to pop up a thread on the experiment and ppost the link here wont be for some time tho maybe a month once i sex my g-13xhashplantxlowryder bonsai mum,
also green jeans those babies will be monster bush's keep it up!!!
!PEACE!

 

[Maj.PotHead]

cut em off at the knees lol ouch


G99 cuts will only get a cup of plain water, will change the water every day and wait...
we know this works watched mom do it enough with a pinch of a plant here pich of a plant from there lol.

lookn sweet there