The Budfather
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oh no GCG, what if LEO watches the food netowrk!! They could figure out where you are. assuming i am correct bout your hometown and im 99% sure i am. I remeber about a garlic fest sounded pretty kool.
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BF why do you think I got that tattoo? Just incase i get locked up everyone knows garlic doesn't swing that way. 
MGJ I use the FFOF 2parts to 1 part FFLW. I jsut know there is a lot of sphagmum (SP) moss and stuff in the LW that will eventually drive your PH down. I know someone like you will work it out though.
There was a strain years ago called Garlic bud. I'm not sure , but Ithink it's called shiva now. I think sensi carries it?
I've ate the Garlic ice cream before and it's not my cup of tea.
MGJ could I please have another slice of the gooey bread?
Thanks
GCG
Keefhead
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BF - yeah, the garlic festival is way cool, though probably not for the folks who live there.
MGJ - I too like garlic ice cream and milk shakes, but in fairness I must say I also like garlic sausages, pickled garlic, broiled (elephant ear) garlic, garlic pasta sauces, and I even bought my wife some garlic perfume! HOWEVER, there's not a vampire within 2 miles of my house.
MGJ - I too like garlic ice cream and milk shakes, but in fairness I must say I also like garlic sausages, pickled garlic, broiled (elephant ear) garlic, garlic pasta sauces, and I even bought my wife some garlic perfume! HOWEVER, there's not a vampire within 2 miles of my house.
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Keefhead you got me bro.ROTFLMAO.We don't have any vampires around here either!!!!
If you love Garlic so much you should move down here you will be able to smell it all day everyday.
Right a long with horse and cow manure!!! Oh and the mushroom farms smell pretty good tooo!!!Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining, I wouldn't live anywhere else. I did 35 years in the heart of silicon valley and I hope I never have to move back to that over crowded hell hole. Garlic loves his country life!!!
GCG
Hehe, them G13 seeds were and are labeleb as G13 f2's and thats where the male is from, we made a shitload of f3's...and will make more in future, as well as C99xG13, seems to be a winner..
High MGJ Wanted to drop by and let ya know I'm still hanging out...and eagerly awaiting more g99 pics 
Do you ever flush during veg and flower? (please don't make me go dig through that 10K page thread LOL) I got a soil PH question also...but too high to phrase it right LOL!!! I'll get back to ya on that one.............
peace, my brotha
Wanted to drop by and let ya know I'm still hanging out...and eagerly awaiting more g99 pics Do you ever flush during veg and flower? (please don't make me go dig through that 10K page thread LOL) I got a soil PH question also...but too high to phrase it right LOL!!! I'll get back to ya on that one.............
peace, my brotha
Hiya BF
I can understand Garlic's so-so reaction - if I had to live with the heavy aroma of garlic in the air full time, it wouldn't be such a treat for me either, but if you have'n't experienced it, it's a good time to plan a trip to the area, quite an adventure!
Hiya Garlic
Yeah, this soil is still a partial puzzle to me as you will soon see . It must partially be the solutes in my water ( 80-120 ppm ) that aren't used by the plant and accumulate. But even what i would consider light fert soil mixes harbor surprises for nute sensitive plants
Yeah, the garlic ice cream on a regular basis would be too much, even the garlic french fries - which I love once in a while - could be a bit much if I had them often...
Here - have a loaf of afgooey bread
, got a pillow and a blanket in case you zzzzzzzz...
Hiya KH
I love garlic, but the last couple years garlic ( the plant, not our friend ) doesn't agree with me any more, so I can't consume as much - so gotta keep the silverware cutlery handy for the vamps
Hiya FJ
Thanks for the info, it does seem to be a winning cross
The G99 and the Golden Pineapple seem to be the least nute sensitive of the vegging plants. What kind of stretch should I expect - from the way they're growing, I was thinking maybe 50% or less...
Hiya -VT-
Thanks my friend. As you will see, I had been flushing roughly once a month, but it looks like I may need it more often - especially right after transplant, as you will shortly see.
Update next post....
I can understand Garlic's so-so reaction - if I had to live with the heavy aroma of garlic in the air full time, it wouldn't be such a treat for me either, but if you have'n't experienced it, it's a good time to plan a trip to the area, quite an adventure!
Hiya Garlic
Yeah, this soil is still a partial puzzle to me as you will soon see
. It must partially be the solutes in my water ( 80-120 ppm ) that aren't used by the plant and accumulate. But even what i would consider light fert soil mixes harbor surprises for nute sensitive plants Yeah, the garlic ice cream on a regular basis would be too much, even the garlic french fries - which I love once in a while - could be a bit much if I had them often...
Here - have a loaf of afgooey bread
, got a pillow and a blanket in case you zzzzzzzz...Hiya KH
I love garlic, but the last couple years garlic ( the plant, not our friend ) doesn't agree with me any more, so I can't consume as much - so gotta keep the silverware cutlery handy for the vamps
Hiya FJ
Thanks for the info, it does seem to be a winning cross
The G99 and the Golden Pineapple seem to be the least nute sensitive of the vegging plants. What kind of stretch should I expect - from the way they're growing, I was thinking maybe 50% or less...Hiya -VT-
Thanks my friend. As you will see, I had been flushing roughly once a month, but it looks like I may need it more often - especially right after transplant, as you will shortly see.
Update next post....
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BabyHughie
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Garlic ice cream eh? Alrighty then... 
Odd bunch over here
Next thing I know there will be people eating garlic flavored gummy worms.
Odd bunch over here
Next thing I know there will be people eating garlic flavored gummy worms.
wanna do something fun to experience garlic. Eat a bit of raw garlic and then tell me the flavor you get. ok?????
Heavy Chevy
Member
Hmmm thats some spicy shit. A friend once dared me to chew down a few cloves for 10 dollars and needless to say I was almost crying by the end of it. My mouth tasted like garlic for the next few days but hey I got the money. 
My mouth tasted like garlic for the next few days but hey I got the money.
Update:
Time to unveil the plants to flower next. I've been experimenting with them soil / flush / transplant to help figure out the soil issues I'm still having. Had lockout problems on the three of them with the 50/50 FFOF/FFLW mix. Before first flush the runoff had an EC of 3, flushed them down to an EC of 1. Did better for a while and as they dried started with problems again - another runoff test and they were at 2.4. Second flush and they seem to be holding around EC .8.
Today I transplanted the SensiStar - which appears to be a bit nute sensitive - and used Black Gold Potting Soil 50/50 with FFLW. Also a tablespoon of dolomite lime per 3 gal pot. Figured on transplanting, vegging for a week, and then flipping to flower cycle. I watered 1 gal each, and tested the last bit of runoff - EC 2.9-3! WTF??? So I flushed them down to an EC of 1 and put them under the light. The trainwreck which had been flushed once a week ago tested at EC 2.4! Flushed that down to EC 1. The lifesavers which have had 2 flushes since transplant tested at EC .5, so I gave them a 1/2 gallon of EC 1.
Water testing the young plants, well some of them were again above EC 1.9, so flushed them back down and then 2 cups of EC 1 PBPG each.
-VT- hope that answers your flush question. I now plan on testing a flush after each transplant, and the first watering after noticing any nute spotting of the leaves, and not relaxing until I get 2 flushes with stable EC of 1 or thereabouts. Then back to the once a month check. Man, wish I had hands off soil grows like some lucky folks who don't even use a meter yet get great harvests!
To make room in the cabinet for the 5 plants near ready to flower, I pulled all the young plants that showed any leaf spotting at all, the lower light in the other veg area should make less nute demands on the plants and hopefully let them recover with a bit less nute stress. Left 4 of the G99 and the 2 Golden Pineapple in the cabinet.
Ok, enough yakking, on with the pics
Lifesaver
After sampling the last harvest coming back from vacation, I vegged out the 2 cuts I was going to dump and grew them out. Here they are, recovered from a lockout, and ready to flower...
Decided until I germ the rest of the LS seeds, I'll keep this one going so took a couple of cuts to root...
SensiStar - 61 days veg from clone.
Had lockout on these ( should have checked grow reports for nute sensitivity - arrgh ), mostly recovered, transplanted and flushed today. Will give them a week to start rooting again and then flip the cabinet to flower.
Trainwreck
This was the mother plant, let her grow up and guess what - yes more lockout iissues - maybe I should change my handle to LockSmith!!! She's greening up good now so she should be ready to roll on with the others flowering.
G99 and Golden Pineapple day 37 veg
The 4 greenest G99 and both Golden Pineapples will enjoy another week of high lumens until flowering starts, then they will go to the cooler climes of the 250 MH with the others...
PowerSkunk day 37 veg
The problem plant is the one on the left - the lighter color on the new growth is partially because she's under the bright spot of the light, but she is a bit light on nitrogen. Last flush on her was ok so fed the 3 of them EC .8 PBPG last watering. The plant in front has really bushed out after the topping, if this one is a she it's gonna be a big bush...
G99 day 37 veg
Despite being a bit light on the newer growth, they're looking good, the front one is another bushwhacker in the making! Sure hope it's a girl!
Sourbubble BX1 day 37 veg
3 of these started showing some leaf spotting 2 days ago, so I flushed them and put them under the lesser light to recover. The short one - like GPB's keeper - is the one in front. The difference in height between this one and the tallest is double...
That's it for now. Gotta go medicate and catch some zzzzzzs. Have a great night!
Time to unveil the plants to flower next. I've been experimenting with them soil / flush / transplant to help figure out the soil issues I'm still having. Had lockout problems on the three of them with the 50/50 FFOF/FFLW mix. Before first flush the runoff had an EC of 3
, flushed them down to an EC of 1. Did better for a while and as they dried started with problems again - another runoff test and they were at 2.4. Second flush and they seem to be holding around EC .8. Today I transplanted the SensiStar - which appears to be a bit nute sensitive - and used Black Gold Potting Soil 50/50 with FFLW. Also a tablespoon of dolomite lime per 3 gal pot. Figured on transplanting, vegging for a week, and then flipping to flower cycle. I watered 1 gal each, and tested the last bit of runoff - EC 2.9-3
! WTF??? So I flushed them down to an EC of 1 and put them under the light. The trainwreck which had been flushed once a week ago tested at EC 2.4! Flushed that down to EC 1. The lifesavers which have had 2 flushes since transplant tested at EC .5, so I gave them a 1/2 gallon of EC 1.Water testing the young plants, well some of them were again above EC 1.9, so flushed them back down and then 2 cups of EC 1 PBPG each.
-VT- hope that answers your flush question. I now plan on testing a flush after each transplant, and the first watering after noticing any nute spotting of the leaves, and not relaxing until I get 2 flushes with stable EC of 1 or thereabouts. Then back to the once a month check. Man, wish I had hands off soil grows like some lucky folks who don't even use a meter yet get great harvests!
To make room in the cabinet for the 5 plants near ready to flower, I pulled all the young plants that showed any leaf spotting at all, the lower light in the other veg area should make less nute demands on the plants and hopefully let them recover with a bit less nute stress. Left 4 of the G99 and the 2 Golden Pineapple in the cabinet.
Ok, enough yakking, on with the pics
Lifesaver
After sampling the last harvest coming back from vacation, I vegged out the 2 cuts I was going to dump
and grew them out. Here they are, recovered from a lockout, and ready to flower...
Decided until I germ the rest of the LS seeds, I'll keep this one going so took a couple of cuts to root...
SensiStar - 61 days veg from clone.
Had lockout on these ( should have checked grow reports for nute sensitivity - arrgh ), mostly recovered, transplanted and flushed today. Will give them a week to start rooting again and then flip the cabinet to flower.
Trainwreck
This was the mother plant, let her grow up and guess what - yes more lockout iissues - maybe I should change my handle to LockSmith!!!
She's greening up good now so she should be ready to roll on with the others flowering.G99 and Golden Pineapple day 37 veg
The 4 greenest G99 and both Golden Pineapples will enjoy another week of high lumens until flowering starts, then they will go to the cooler climes of the 250 MH with the others...
PowerSkunk day 37 veg
The problem plant is the one on the left - the lighter color on the new growth is partially because she's under the bright spot of the light, but she is a bit light on nitrogen. Last flush on her was ok so fed the 3 of them EC .8 PBPG last watering. The plant in front has really bushed out after the topping, if this one is a she it's gonna be a big bush...
G99 day 37 veg
Despite being a bit light on the newer growth, they're looking good, the front one is another bushwhacker in the making! Sure hope it's a girl!
Sourbubble BX1 day 37 veg
3 of these started showing some leaf spotting 2 days ago, so I flushed them and put them under the lesser light to recover. The short one - like GPB's keeper - is the one in front. The difference in height between this one and the tallest is double...
That's it for now. Gotta go medicate and catch some zzzzzzs. Have a great night!
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it happends. ITs hard to keep ph just right. or nute levels. As organics tend to bleed back into the soil after a flush.
The Budfather
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jeez man, sounds like your having a bad run all these problems 
. i really havent had to many yet, none of these confusing terms sound like their doing ya any good Ec, tds, etc...whereas me and Tml are keeping it simple and getting good results( other than cloning for me just trying to get my finger wrapped around it) sounds like you need to get lazy and drop all the fancy equipment. but what do i kno .... 
other than all the sickness looks good stil waiting for dem buds, also your fanleaves on your LS look very similar to my indica pheno.
. i really havent had to many yet, none of these confusing terms sound like their doing ya any good Ec, tds, etc...whereas me and Tml are keeping it simple and getting good results( other than cloning for me just trying to get my finger wrapped around it) sounds like you need to get lazy and drop all the fancy equipment. but what do i kno .... other than all the sickness looks good stil waiting for dem buds, also your fanleaves on your LS look very similar to my indica pheno.
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Sorry for Highjacking your thread MGJ. I didn't think everyone would jump on the Garlic band wagon like they did? Man sounds like you are having some problems?
I know you'll get it figured out though.Do you let your soil completely dry out before you water?
Your EC going through the roof and staying high after the flush looks like you have some serious salt buildup?
What type of water are you using ? Tap?
Iknow that before i got my RO filter my TDS in the tap water was around 800 PPM. Maybe that is part of the problem?
Sensi star is a light feeder. Start with half strength ferts and move up from there you'll get it worked out.
Those are some fat ass bushes my friend
I can't wait to see what they look like at harvest time. Looking good
GCG
Hiya GPB!
Thx - what surprised me was how hot even the lighter soils are out of the bag... can't blame my 80-100 ppm tap water for that!
Hiya -VT-!
You're welcome my friend... when simple solutions don't work, I wonder why and start digging... Yeah, that G99 is the phatty of the bunch!
BF and GCP
I'd love to do a lazy grow without problems. And frankly 60-80% of the plants will grow fine despite small changes to the leaves. But I'm curious why stuff like this happens at all, so I'm soil testing. As I mentioned above, can't blame EC 3 using fresh Black Gold cut with LW testing with tap water with an EC of .15 The veg plants that burned was my fault - I used another soil mixture and *didn't* test runoff, it was very hot
Some plants are pretty nute sensitive - good to know where the soil starts out if growing these kinds of strains. Like GPB wrote, I agree it's probably continued breakdown of the organics mixed into the soil. A week or two is too quick for EC to build up without feedings or super hard water... at least IMO FWIW
And Garlic - no worries mate, no hijacking going on here, just friends yakkin...
Thx - what surprised me was how hot even the lighter soils are out of the bag... can't blame my 80-100 ppm tap water for that!
Hiya -VT-!
You're welcome my friend... when simple solutions don't work, I wonder why and start digging... Yeah, that G99 is the phatty of the bunch!
BF and GCP
I'd love to do a lazy grow without problems. And frankly 60-80% of the plants will grow fine despite small changes to the leaves. But I'm curious why stuff like this happens at all, so I'm soil testing. As I mentioned above, can't blame EC 3 using fresh Black Gold cut with LW testing with tap water with an EC of .15 The veg plants that burned was my fault - I used another soil mixture and *didn't* test runoff, it was very hot
Some plants are pretty nute sensitive - good to know where the soil starts out if growing these kinds of strains. Like GPB wrote, I agree it's probably continued breakdown of the organics mixed into the soil. A week or two is too quick for EC to build up without feedings or super hard water... at least IMO FWIW
And Garlic - no worries mate, no hijacking going on here, just friends yakkin...
Heavy Chevy
Member
Yes my appoligy, I wasn't intending to highjack your thread. I am sorry to hear you are still having troubles with your plants. No worries though MGJ I have faith that you will be able to get your fussy plants in line, and I know many other people following this grow of yours have faith aswell. You seem to be a very experienced grower and karma is on your side. Damn plants, don't you wish growing was a little less difficult sometimes?
Heavy Chevy
Member
Yes my appoligy, I wasn't intending to highjack your thread. I am sorry to hear you are still having troubles with your plants. No worries though MGJ I have faith that you will be able to get your fussy plants in line, and I know many other people following this grow of yours have faith aswell. You seem to be a very experienced grower and karma is on your side. Damn plants, don't you wish growing was a little less difficult sometimes?
No worries HC - very laid back garden here. The problems only seem bad because I'm writing about them... I'm just trying to be up front with how I approach a problem, and I've not read much about folks actually measuring EC or ppms in fresh soil runoff at transplant - if I hadn't I'd be blaming my water, and that's not the problem at all!
Thx much for the props, have no doubt I'll be up to my eyeballs in buds twice before spring, and that's a very good thing!
Thx much for the props, have no doubt I'll be up to my eyeballs in buds twice before spring, and that's a very good thing!
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