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MMJ Patients cant buy or own guns.
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whats required in cali to get a concealed weapon's permit??.. I dont have a criminal record. I know you need to go to the sheriffs dept and fill out some paper work. anything else?? Or is that Illegal here in Cali lol
Concealed handgun owners with Oregon medical marijuana authorizations WILL BE ALLOWED TO KEEP their gun licenses after a U.S. Supreme Court decision not to hear a sheriff's legal challenge which claimed U.S. federal law trumps Oregon state law.
hahaha this sets presidence for all other states
hahaha this sets presidence for all other states
aint it funny when leo is trying to enforce fed laws. I thought that is the job for DEA...Why are they using state tax money to fight this..
The requirements vary from count to county. You need to be fingerprinted and a background check done at a minimum, and take a firearms training class from whoever has been designated by the Sheriff's office or the Chief of Police if you live in an incorporated area. The first one is pretty expensive ($200-250) because of the DOJ background check and fingerprints. After that, the cost is about a $75 for a 2-year permit. I'm sure that the costs vary, but that is representative of the counties near me. The weapon(s) that you want on your permit will need to be inspected to insure that they are in good working order. Some places it is easy to get one, others it is almost impossible.
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Thanks rives
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^^Anybody want to offer an opinion on whether this will influence other states?
It seems to me that the ATF was the primary concern, not local leo.
It seems to me that the ATF was the primary concern, not local leo.
Thats fantastic news. Thats one of the things I was very concered about. I have firearms from way back before I was a MMJ user. Passed down from my family. They just wanted my to what turn in my family heirlooms. not going to happen.. I can only hope it trickles down to all MMJ states
My opinion is; this was a Supreme Court decision, it should be valid in all states. Hammer I'm like you, I have heirlooms handed down from my Grandfather etc, this should put an end to our fears of losing those. But, if Feds suspect criminal activity, sales etc in your home and have a valid search warrant, those guns no doubt will be sleazed and most likely be made part of their case against you. Be safe..DD
I live in Cali and have a mmj card. I also recently bought several guns with no problems. I personally keep all my guns hundreds of miles from my mmj activities at my cabin up in the woods. I don't see why this would be a problem.
Also, when buying a hand gun there is a question on the form about being "addicted to any drugs". My answer to that is you can't be addicted to cannabis, so am I lying on the form when I filled it out? Seems more like a matter of opinion to me.
Also, when buying a hand gun there is a question on the form about being "addicted to any drugs". My answer to that is you can't be addicted to cannabis, so am I lying on the form when I filled it out? Seems more like a matter of opinion to me.
I'm confused as to what extent OR is standing up to this fed mandate. this whole post will refer to Oregon & their registration system (except for Santa bringing gifts)
Can a registered OR patient possess a rifle in their residence where they also grow under OR rulings?
If Oregon Is willing to allow concealed handgun permits then its ridiculous you cannot also purchase a firearm after registering mmj.
How do they enforce this?
Is this because an FFL (typical gun store) can access database showing you are an mmj patient so you can't just check "yes or no", like the california scenarios posted here? whats the difference between OR/CA
IF the OR FFL dealers have access to mmj database, is it best to wait to register mmj, make the firearm purchase, then register mmj later? or go with the below scenarios,
-purchasing firearm from FFL, does the address provided show up as mmj registered?
example, a spouse is patient or caregiver, while you are "non mmj registered" and YOU purchase new firearm but your both at same address, that a problem?
-How about going to the gun shows regardless of mmj registration? No ATF forms or BG checks at gunshows? never been.
THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION HERE IS: are you better off in OR without registering mmj and simply having dr recommendation/med records on hand? (and do the doctors recs go into a database or is it just sheet of paper only you as patient possess? does anyone else have access to that mmj recommendation?) Acquiring firearms being one of the biggest reasons for this.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like no mmj reg with state ( just dr. rec), and gunshows is safest?
or have Santa give you an AR for xmas? ammo for stocking stuffers?
PM me if you don't want to get too into the gun aspect here.
Can a registered OR patient possess a rifle in their residence where they also grow under OR rulings?
If Oregon Is willing to allow concealed handgun permits then its ridiculous you cannot also purchase a firearm after registering mmj.
How do they enforce this?
Is this because an FFL (typical gun store) can access database showing you are an mmj patient so you can't just check "yes or no", like the california scenarios posted here? whats the difference between OR/CA
IF the OR FFL dealers have access to mmj database, is it best to wait to register mmj, make the firearm purchase, then register mmj later? or go with the below scenarios,
-purchasing firearm from FFL, does the address provided show up as mmj registered?
example, a spouse is patient or caregiver, while you are "non mmj registered" and YOU purchase new firearm but your both at same address, that a problem?
-How about going to the gun shows regardless of mmj registration? No ATF forms or BG checks at gunshows? never been.
THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION HERE IS: are you better off in OR without registering mmj and simply having dr recommendation/med records on hand? (and do the doctors recs go into a database or is it just sheet of paper only you as patient possess? does anyone else have access to that mmj recommendation?) Acquiring firearms being one of the biggest reasons for this.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like no mmj reg with state ( just dr. rec), and gunshows is safest?
or have Santa give you an AR for xmas? ammo for stocking stuffers?
PM me if you don't want to get too into the gun aspect here.
i was under the impression that medical registration could only be accessed by leo, not by a 'gun store proprietor with a FFL...but i'm in WA state, not Oregon.
my opinion, (pertaining to MY situation) is to use the law that gives the most protection.
that is registration with the state. WA law will allow a medical defense (but not against arrest) which might also lead to gun charges) for possession use and/or production.
but hey! ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
my opinion, (pertaining to MY situation) is to use the law that gives the most protection.
that is registration with the state. WA law will allow a medical defense (but not against arrest) which might also lead to gun charges) for possession use and/or production.
but hey! ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
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IMO if you keep guns anywhere near your grow, in any state, you're begging to go to prison. That "better to be judged by blah than carried by blah" cliche is retarded. If your situation is that hot that u need guns around, you've got to make big changes in your life IMO.
I love guns too but not enough to get an auto 5 year tack-on to my sentence for possession of a firearm in commission of a felony.
I love guns too but not enough to get an auto 5 year tack-on to my sentence for possession of a firearm in commission of a felony.
Canada rules < legal grower, and fire arms holder 100% legit
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And your cops have normal-sized genitals and therefore generally don't shoot the shit out of your dogs if they do raid you.
What's it like living in a civilized country? As an American I've always been curious.
its a tricky situation that the gun nuts on calguns were trying to figure out...the question asks " are you an unlawful user, or addicted to any illegal substances"
even though we decide that we are "lawful" users of cannabis under state law, its illegal under federal..
so technically, we are committing perjury..but SHHH dont tell the DA or prosecution anything about those. lawyer up and shut up if anything happens in this regard....
The medical, and I believe legal, definition for addiction is substantially different than the definition for dependency. This is from the U.S. National Library of Medicine, which is part of the National Institute for Health (NIH) - "Drug dependence means that a person needs a drug to function normally. Abruptly stopping the drug leads to withdrawal symptoms. Drug addiction is the compulsive use of a substance, despite its negative or dangerous effects."
If you stay within prescribed guidelines and don't have behavioral problems (having a B&E hobby to support your oxycontin habit, for instance), you are not considered addicted even though you may be dependent on opiates. Since you are much less likely to become dependent on mmj that opiates, I don't see how you can be considered addicted to it either.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002490/
If you stay within prescribed guidelines and don't have behavioral problems (having a B&E hobby to support your oxycontin habit, for instance), you are not considered addicted even though you may be dependent on opiates. Since you are much less likely to become dependent on mmj that opiates, I don't see how you can be considered addicted to it either.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002490/
Someone who knows the OR system help me out here.
SINCE YOU CAN obtain a concealed carry permit and be REGISTERED OMMP, can't you legally posses a rifle in your home (where you also grow)...? especially since its just a rifle in your home and transport for "hunting" is not concealed weapon?
not everyone can afford one house for guns, another house for their grow.
I assume most OMM patients are keeping the pistol they got their concealed carry permit for at the same house they have plants growing and are protected by OR state rulings.
I assume the potential trouble is if the DEA checks you out. but again, in OR they arent supposed to be able to do shit about a pistol in a growers house who obtained a concealed carry license (protected by rulings), therefore wouldn't you be allowed to have a rifle inside a gun safe ?
SINCE YOU CAN obtain a concealed carry permit and be REGISTERED OMMP, can't you legally posses a rifle in your home (where you also grow)...? especially since its just a rifle in your home and transport for "hunting" is not concealed weapon?
not everyone can afford one house for guns, another house for their grow.
I assume most OMM patients are keeping the pistol they got their concealed carry permit for at the same house they have plants growing and are protected by OR state rulings.
I assume the potential trouble is if the DEA checks you out. but again, in OR they arent supposed to be able to do shit about a pistol in a growers house who obtained a concealed carry license (protected by rulings), therefore wouldn't you be allowed to have a rifle inside a gun safe ?
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Applying for a concealed permit might be hard to do with medical mj but I'm now sure. I would think if your just buying a rifle to keep at home you wouldn't have a problem getting it.
In Cali I bought multiple rifles and pistols while registered and had no problems.
Ask some friends maybe?
In Cali I bought multiple rifles and pistols while registered and had no problems.
Ask some friends maybe?
