MMJ Patients cant buy or own guns.

[Yes4Prop215]

Hey fellow Americans

I don't really understand the need of some of you to own a gun... It's maybe a european point of you though, it's not like our neighbours are allowed to carry them so why would we ?...


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come drive through some american ghettos...while the law states that people are not allowed to carry guns, CRIMINALS STILL DO!!

so basically, the gun control laws in the US work in one way. they keep law abiding citizens and regular folk UNARMED, while the criminals, gangsters, thugs, illegal immigrants, etc are ARMED because they dont follow laws.

in cities like san francisco oakland chicago new jersey thugs are able to operate with relative ease..they can rob, burglarize, etc and not worry about an armed citizen gunning them down..

in other areas like the rural US and in the farmland where most people do carry guns, robberies and burglaries are rare because most criminals dont want to break into the house of a gun nut who is experianced in shooting...


also those "statistics" about gun owners more likely to kill themselves..all cooked brady campaign BS. there are MILLIONS of gun owners in the US, yet only a handful of mass murders and instances were guns were used in the wrong way. for every jared laughner theres hundreds of instances were the 2nd amendment is used the correct way to defend life and property, but you never read about those in the news!!


its about personal freedoms here..i enjoy the personal freedom to carry a gun at my outdoor property because i enjoy target shooting, and there are cougars and bears up there and without a gun you become lunch simple as that...not to mention all the crazy tweakers who like to trespass and steal property, should i just invite them in and let them have whatever they want?

i treasure the 2nd amendment and the guvvvment would be foolish to try and take away our constitutional rights...it would incite mass revolution across the US if they started kicking down doors and demanding people give back their guns...the US will turn into afghanistan with the populace forming militias targeting government thugs..martial law may exist in the urban cities where the police state is strong, but come up into the mountains of humbolt, trinity, butte county, lots of 2nd amendment supporters up that way who wont go quietly.

 

[northstate]

Well said Prop...just doing a little "hiking" around yesterday testing fence and whatnot. Take care of your tools and they will take care of you. NS

 

[Arminius]

Don't worry, pharma users will be on the same list of "prohibited persons" eventually. This isn't about weed. It's about slowly but surely killing every American's right to bear arms, except the government. Weed users and particularly mmj users with some protection under the law are a great test bed to start. Americans better start rising up against this stuff or we WILL end up like Nazi Germany.

Sorry, but gun laws were rolled back during the Third Reich, and personal firearms were encouraged. They sure the hell banned them after 45, and it's a crime to even have an airsoft gun.
The communists on the other hand have a long history of gun "control". Our government is full of avowed marxists...

 

[Midnight Rudy]

Hey fellow Americans

I don't really understand the need of some of you to own a gun... It's maybe a european point of you though, it's not like our neighbours are allowed to carry them so why would we ?...
But also I ve read this AmericanStudy that shows that carrying a gun will increase by four times the chance to get shot at or killed, and that US is the industralised country that has the highest rate of firearms related homicides... Maybe a sign it is time to review the weapons policy ?

While I do agree that MJ patients should have the same right as others, I am not sure I would agree with all the other restricted substances users being allowed to own a gun, assuming some of these substances are used to treat severe mental diseases.... So the problem would be MJ treated the same as others heavy drugs, well kind of a long time issue !

We need more peace, more love, more rights in this world, and more weed of course. But not more guns nor gunshots... Isn't it ?

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Your opinions are obviously biased by cultural diferences. Even here, a person who grew up in New York City may have no understanding of a persons need or desire to own a gun because only criminals and cops have guns. By contrast, a person in the Midwest who grew up hunting and target shooting couldn't imagine not having a few guns.

One thing you need to remember though is that our founding fathers left Great Brittian because they didn't feel that they were being treated fairly and they wanted freedom to live their lives as they see fit. When Great Brittian tried to enforce unfair taxes on us from across the pond, it was guns and bloodshed that prevented it. As a result, a large percentage of the world is democratic and even Great Brittian in no longer a working monarchy. So before you say there is no need, please remember your world and mine would be very different if it weren't for the early Americans who demanded their right to bear arms.

I'm not hating or saying you should thank us, I'm just saying that our "need" to own firearms has changed the entire world for the better. A man can have all the power in the world, or all the money, or be the biggest or the strongest or whatever, but when he is standing across from another man and they are both armed, none of that matters. Our country is supposed to be based on the principal that all men were created equal, and the right to bear arms is the epitome of that principal.

my .02

 

[paladin420]

Your opinions are obviously biased by cultural diferences. Even here, a person who grew up in New York City may have no understanding of a persons need or desire to own a gun because only criminals and cops have guns. By contrast, a person in the Midwest who grew up hunting and target shooting couldn't imagine not having a few guns.

One thing you need to remember though is that our founding fathers left Great Brittian because they didn't feel that they were being treated fairly and they wanted freedom to live their lives as they see fit. When Great Brittian tried to enforce unfair taxes on us from across the pond, it was guns and bloodshed that prevented it. As a result, a large percentage of the world is democratic and even Great Brittian in no longer a working monarchy. So before you say there is no need, please remember your world and mine would be very different if it weren't for the early Americans who demanded their right to bear arms.

I'm not hating or saying you should thank us, I'm just saying that our "need" to own firearms has changed the entire world for the better. A man can have all the power in the world, or all the money, or be the biggest or the strongest or whatever, but when he is standing across from another man and they are both armed, none of that matters. Our country is supposed to be based on the principal that all men were created equal, and the right to bear arms is the epitome of that principal.

my .02

Bumped for truth...Thanks MidniteR.... A Much better response than the ones of mine I deleted before submitting K+ If I ever get any More..

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Sorry, but gun laws were rolled back during the Third Reich, and personal firearms were encouraged.

Source please. My understanding is that the 1928 Law on Firearms (German gun control) was enacted to prevent armed revolution by groups, including the, at that time, powerless Nazis. The same law was then amended but still extended in 1938, five years after the Nazis gained power. I can find no reference to any specific encouragement of private gun ownership by the Weimar or the Nazi regimes and rather I do find multiple references to gun control being exercised in Nazi Germany up to and including the start of WW2, to different degrees. Permit laws (permission) were still in place, age restrictions were still in place, etc. Looks to me like they just tweaked the same law while keeping the important restrictions in place like government permission to own weapons.

They sure the hell banned them after 45, and it's a crime to even have an airsoft gun.
The communists on the other hand have a long history of gun "control". Our government is full of avowed marxists...

This I can agree with.

 

[Arminius]

Source please. My understanding is that the 1928 Law on Firearms (German gun control) was enacted to prevent armed revolution by groups, including the, at that time, powerless Nazis. The same law was then amended but still extended in 1938, five years after the Nazis gained power. I can find no reference to any specific encouragement of private gun ownership by the Weimar or the Nazi regimes and rather I do find multiple references to gun control being exercised in Nazi Germany up to and including the start of WW2, to different degrees. Permit laws (permission) were still in place, age restrictions were still in place, etc. Looks to me like they just tweaked the same law while keeping the important restrictions in place like government permission to own weapons.



This I can agree with.

Sorry for not getting you the source you requested, been buried with work, and just came out of a 3 day power outage.
Anyways, there is plenty of documentation out there, but Wiki covers it decently...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany

 

[Yes4Prop215]

any people here who registered for the state issued ID card for medical marijuana try to pass DOJ background check? did it pass?

i've had a doctors rec since 2007 and renewed every year, never got the state issued ID card, and i have successfully passed almost a half dozen DOJ background checks for firearms purchase...never had one turned down, and did one as recently as this summer..

basic rules for this..

1. check NO under the question that asks you "are you an unlawful user, or addicted to, any narcotics"...

2. once you purchase your gun, its best to keep it away from the grow and any pot related activity. dont ride around with a 10 pack of herb and have your assault rifle in the truck, common sense....keep them as seperate as possible at all times.

following these you should have zero problem with pot and guns....

 

[kyndone]

and while we are on this topic,this ''Brady Bill'' is pretty lame, Hinkley, the guy who shot Brady, was not a known criminal, he was just a '' legally insane ''dumb ass who wanted to be famous, and his situation was something that could still happen even to this day, (with the gun laws we have now), so the Brady Bill essentially has done nothing but take guns out of the hands of regular people.,and, like what was said above, are just making it so the regular joe is at a disadvantage when the criminals are the ones with the guns.did the people who choose to pass these laws really think all the gangbangers, and dumbasses would abide by them?, i think they knew what would happen.

so imho it is all a ploy to screw us over, but when they outlaw the ammo, thats when we need to worry, because the loophole will have been jumped through,and there will be little need to take our guns. that is, unless you can reload your old casings,

 

[paladin420]

and while we are on this topic,this ''Brady Bill'' is pretty lame, Hinkley, the guy who shot Brady, was not a known criminal, he was just a '' legally insane ''dumb ass who wanted to be famous, and his situation was something that could still happen even to this day, (with the gun laws we have now), so the Brady Bill essentially has done nothing but take guns out of the hands of regular people.,and, like what was said above, are just making it so the regular joe is at a disadvantage when the criminals are the ones with the guns.did the people who choose to pass these laws really think all the gangbangers, and dumbasses would abide by them?, i think they knew what would happen.

so imho it is all a ploy to screw us over, but when they outlaw the ammo, thats when we need to worry, because the loophole will have been jumped through,and there will be little need to take our guns. that is, unless you can reload your old casings,

Yeap..I reload..I can cast my own bullets( don't as it is a stinky mess) I can make black powder..and I can make a simple firearm out of spare parts..or give me a machine shop and I can build a dandy...How can anyone regulate ME ?????

 

[stratmandu]

snip...check NO under the question that asks you "are you an unlawful user, or addicted to, any narcotics"...

Damn straight. 1. I'm not unlawful user or addicted because cannabis IS NOT A DRUG much less a narcotic, and furthermore, is NOT addicting. So I did not lie. Did I?

Europeans will never understand our 2nd amendment, or liberty in general for that matter, since most have traded all their liberty for state-guaranteed "security" long ago, LOL. How's that working out for you? No government gives me the right to defend myself - that is inherent in any living being, and comes from the Creator by virtue of being ALIVE, hence is unalienable. No state can deny my basic liberties, and I fight them when they try. The 2nd amendment was written to allow us the means to fight tyranny, even from our OWN GOVT, and does not have anything to do with hunting or sports, no.

We need an amendment for cannabis liberty, that is clear, but IMO it falls under "pursuit of happiness", so I am already guaranteed that right from the Creator, and it is THE GOVT that is infringing my rights, not the other way around. Pursuit of happiness is also an unalienable right. The so-called right wingers don't get that part, do they? I do. Peace, and get active!

 

[whats the score]

this only affects the idiots who try to use their state issued medical cards..


first of all......i have a docters rec that simply says i "benefit" from using cannabis...doesnt say im actually using it...

second.....doc recs are confidential and not released....if you went and actually registered after getting your rec....good luck you made a big mistake..

third....i already have almost every gun i want stashed away, i have bought at least 5 guns legally after i got my docters rec, the feds never denied my application as recently as 2 months ago..and we got people everywhere who can get firearms without legal avenues...if they make stupid laws they will just be broken...

fourth......just answer NO on the form, and dont mention medical cannabis or use your MMJ ID as second proof of residence!


if the bitch ass feds ever come for my guns....its "sorry i lost them all in a tragic boating accident they all fell overboard into clear lake..."

What's the point of having guns if you can't keep them where you sleep?

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

as soon as we give up are second amendment this country is toast... in fact we are down the toilet right now the only thing thats keeping the blood suckers from totally over throwing our constitution is the 2nd amendment we lose that and everything is toast.

 

[OjoRojo420]

What about the Swiss and the veritable arsenals they keep at home...?

They are U-R-peons as well... LOL

Ojo

 

[konopenko]

In the name of Balkan I can just say i will get myself another gun

 

[Brother Bear]

And those are just the ones on record

 

[OjoRojo420]

God bless gun shows!

Ojo

 

[trichrider]

damn i feel the need to unload a couple clips.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...un-rights-case

thanks scotus.

 

[stratmandu]

Its a magazine - not a clip - magazine, or mag. As in "mag dump". Carry on.

 

[DoobieDuck]

I have edited my own post konopenkos, and a couple others for the following reason: We are starting to stray off the original topic of this thread, medical marijuana patients and their rights to own guns. I may have encouraged that by posting the sales figures, I have deleted my post. If we want to be allowed to post the news about this issue for all our friends to see, this thread is to remain here at IC it must stay on topic..sorry guys...DD