Mk IV A Phoenix Terpenator

[waywardwolf]

Also, I just noticed the 2" lighted sight glass only has an indicated pressure rating of 50 PSI at 75F. The 2" non lighted is 90PSI. Is that an issue at all?

The quick answer is yes, its another issue. I did say where applicable. We wouldn't use one in a commercial application, but 2 things. If it's rated for 50 its threshold is closer to 150 & thats a pressure we should never see......unless something goes wrong..

 

[HG23]

I don't know of any good welders in your area, but there is bound to be someone who can make sanitary welds.
Have you already bought the material? I can recommend someone up here for you. Do you have drawg's?

No, I haven't bought the materials yet. I wanted to ask the welder about getting tube adapters in place of the threaded connections on the injection and recovery manifolds before buying parts.

As for pictures, I just have my back of the napkin drawings for now, but I think they convey the idea. Nothing like the actual blueprints that I see graywolf posting.

I see your point about the sightglasses. I always keep future ASME certification in mind when I build things as I know that is on the horizon for me here. Do you simply forgo a sightglass all together on commercial units that are going for certification?

 

[Pangea]

Dang. 150psi is higher than we should see but thats still pretty sketch, Im going to go with the 90's and light them on my own.

What is a L view port, and is it better/why?

I like the angle port, Im going to borrow that for my next lid.

 

[waywardwolf]

No, I haven't bought the materials yet. I wanted to ask the welder about getting tube adapters in place of the threaded connections on the injection and recovery manifolds before buying parts.

As for pictures, I just have my back of the napkin drawings for now, but I think they convey the idea. Nothing like the actual blueprints that I see graywolf posting.

I see your point about the sightglasses. I always keep future ASME certification in mind when I build things as I know that is on the horizon for me here. Do you simply forgo a sightglass all together on commercial units that are going for certification?

You can get an actual "port connector" from Swageloc & have them welded on. They are thicker then any tubing I've ever seen.
We use a site glass rated up to 750psi on all our units. Its between the column and collection plumbing. You can see your material & color as it passes through. When its commercial, we don't use a port view on the lid.

 

[waywardwolf]

Dang. 150psi is higher than we should see but thats still pretty sketch, Im going to go with the 90's and light them on my own.

What is a L view port, and is it better/why?

I like the angle port, Im going to borrow that for my next lid.

L= Illuminated.

2 plain 2" view ports work great. One to look through & the other to shine a maglite through or a 2$ flashlight.

 

[Gray Wolf]

She sure is a beauty!

What 2" sight glass do you recommend for the view port? The angle is key for seeing the liquid level when filling close to the top?

Is that a protective cover material on the base of the cart that the tanks are on?

looking forward to seeing it all dolled up!

Check out http://www.metaglas.de/en/produkte/metaglas-fuer-steriltechnik/typ-80.html

They also offer explosion proof lights, and as Wayward says, with two ports, one lighted, you can see at a glance what is going on.

The 10 degree angle puts the material at the bottom of the down tube in center field.

The decking and top shelf is 1/2 white HDPE.

 

[Pangea]

Are those port glasses not up to grade for a WW commercial systems?

The 2" ones are rated to 230psi!

Would have to get the Hastelloy material as well to get below a -30 temp rating, which makes me wonder how the glacier/chinese port glasses hold up their ratings when temps are lowered, I guess thats not critical as the lid and port never get that cold?

I imagine it costing an arm or leg as well.

Going on the wishlist no doubt though, thanks for the link!

 

[Gray Wolf]

Are those port glasses not up to grade for a WW commercial systems?

The 2" ones are rated to 230psi!

Would have to get the Hastelloy material as well to get below a -30 temp rating, which makes me wonder how the glacier/chinese port glasses hold up their ratings when temps are lowered, I guess thats not critical as the lid and port never get that cold?

I imagine it costing an arm or leg as well.

Going on the wishlist no doubt though, thanks for the link!

They will work fine for a commercial system.

 

[Pangea]

Thanks, just curious for my own personal machine I dont like to mess around with glass on the system. Sprung for an ernst sight glass, will probably spring for the metaglas view port. Not many commercial systems out there running proper equip, one of the main benefits of having a diy rig and knowing all the ins and outs!

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Is anyone doing passive condensing with larger systems? How long would it take to boil off a safely filled 12x12 pot and condense it passively via traditional methods?

Im thinking the bottle necks on a classic passive system are the hose size, tank fitting size and tank temp/pressure. So what if one condensed into triclamp spools of large diameters and ports size's(perhaps filled with steel wool), and then once the butane is condensed in a spool you either drain it via gravity into a tank or use a recovery pump to pump it while in liquid form, which with a tr21 can do a few pounds per minute(apparently) and finish it off with a pump to what ever vac level you prefer.

Winters coming so im thinking of ways to utilize the free death weather and minimize the risks of having to work inside.

anyways, just ramblin..

 

[Gray Wolf]

Thanks, just curious for my own personal machine I dont like to mess around with glass on the system. Sprung for an ernst sight glass, will probably spring for the metaglas view port. Not many commercial systems out there running proper equip, one of the main benefits of having a diy rig and knowing all the ins and outs!

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Is anyone doing passive condensing with larger systems? How long would it take to boil off a safely filled 12x12 pot and condense it passively via traditional methods?

Im thinking the bottle necks on a classic passive system are the hose size, tank fitting size and tank temp/pressure. So what if one condensed into triclamp spools of large diameters and ports size's(perhaps filled with steel wool), and then once the butane is condensed in a spool you either drain it via gravity into a tank or use a recovery pump to pump it while in liquid form, which with a tr21 can do a few pounds per minute(apparently) and finish it off with a pump to what ever vac level you prefer.

Winters coming so im thinking of ways to utilize the free death weather and minimize the risks of having to work inside.

anyways, just ramblin..

The two controlling factors with passive is surface area and condensing capacity.

More surface area to evaporate from and and more condensing capacity, all other things being equal, determine recovery rate.

 

[waywardwolf]

No, I haven't bought the materials yet. I wanted to ask the welder about getting tube adapters in place of the threaded connections on the injection and recovery manifolds before buying parts.

As for pictures, I just have my back of the napkin drawings for now, but I think they convey the idea. Nothing like the actual blueprints that I see graywolf posting.

I see your point about the sightglasses. I always keep future ASME certification in mind when I build things as I know that is on the horizon for me here. Do you simply forgo a sightglass all together on commercial units that are going for certification?

The reason I ask is, If you didn't mind changing your lower spool to a 12" & your injection manifold to a 2"....I know a guy who has a new lid & manifold ready to go. He however is not a sponsor of this site & just an every day shmo, so to play by the rules, you would just have to contact me if interested.

 

[waywardwolf]

Are those port glasses not up to grade for a WW commercial systems?

The 2" ones are rated to 230psi!

Would have to get the Hastelloy material as well to get below a -30 temp rating, which makes me wonder how the glacier/chinese port glasses hold up their ratings when temps are lowered, I guess thats not critical as the lid and port never get that cold?

I imagine it costing an arm or leg as well.

Going on the wishlist no doubt though, thanks for the link!

They pass the data sheet & eye test no doubt. I just haven't personally fondled or installed one. Although I hear of something interesting coming in the mail.
I would likely buy one for my unit to try.

 

[flashlight]

this is great! so much reading to do

 

[crumbsnatch]

What kind of stock pot are people using for a 12" spools water bath?

What kind of stock pot are people using for a 12" spools water bath?

I need find one big enough, thought I would ask here". Thanks

 

[crumbsnatch]

I have a 1000w sous vide I need to fit next to it, I bought a 50 qt and it wasn't big enough...

 

[Gray Wolf]

I need find one big enough, thought I would ask here". Thanks

We've used aluminum ones and stainless ones from Hongs Restaurant Supply, and are currently using a 22" OD stainless one, so we have room for heat exchanger coils to cool pump exhaust.

 

[DocMicron]

Are you still using N2 for injection cooling or an SS coil in DI bath?

As always, thank you GW and WW for your ever generous input to the community.

I noticed tonight wulfworx is down and I am very interested in the 750psi upper glass.

 

[DocMicron]

WW I for all my years reading here, stillmdo not have enough posts to use the PM system, but am interested in those bits your acquaintance has. You can find me all over as Gonzo Farms.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Are you still using N2 for injection cooling or an SS coil in DI bath?

As always, thank you GW and WW for your ever generous input to the community.

I noticed tonight wulfworx is down and I am very interested in the 750psi upper glass.

We are using a counter flow heat exchanger.

WolfWurx site is undergoing reorganization.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Lu lu lu lu lu lu lu lu, hee, hee, hee, snicker, snark, snort...............

The venerable Mk IV kit has now not only been certified by an Oregon Professional Engineer to meet ASME, but the WolfWurx Mk IVC turnkey system was just certified by third party peer review in OR, WA, CO, and NV to meet all the requirements to operate in those states.

WolfWurx, Inc has now merged with Pharmgold, with Pharmgold as the surviving partner, and WolfWurx continuing on as the brand.