Milo Yiannopoulos....What an interesting person.

[coldcanna]

The tiniest of tiny margins of our taxes go to infrastructure which everyone loves. Most goes to wars and social security. 2/3 goes to social actually. Search "workforce participation"- that is the amount of working age people that work or try to find work and its at an all time low. Only 63% of able Americans work now- that is why I'm against socia security spreading beyond people of retirement age who earned it. All these little programs suppress work effort and the proof is in the pudding.

 

[ronbo51]

Will you give back the roads, water treatment systems, education system, and all the other social services you have stolen?

OK, I like this. Put me down, on the record, for this. So, how much taxation is needed for this? Does the deep state have to listen to and record every single keystroke, phone call, text, web page visited, dollar spent, dollar earned, license plate readers input, facial recognition, cell phone gps coming and goings, smart tv recorded conversations, smart appliance raw data.

I mean how big of a state do you want?? Big enough to enforce all that and way more. Because that's the size of State needed to pull off all the wonders you want this Supreme Being State to accomplish beyond the roads, water treatment plants, failed education system, and all the other social services you demand.

 

[ronbo51]

Will you give back the roads, water treatment systems, education system, and all the other social services you have stolen?

Yeah, let me modify a bit. I'm all for the roads and water treatment part, but all the rest is just stupid.

 

[RB56]

Exactly my point! They DON'T have silicon valley or wall st because their systems of government don't allow for innovation and growth! Why exactly do you think we have the richest most prosperous country in history- because capitalism works!

Vast natural resources and rapidly growing population. Everything else is mythology.

 

[Mick]

Still theft buddy. Just because someone has money doesn't give you or the government the right to steal it. You are repeating the Soviet talking points. Exactly who has been robbing the middle-class? I belive the evil 1% actually pay over half of all taxes. Most people in this country pay little to no taxes. That tax refund, is mostly a supplemental income for a big chunk of the people. . No one is cutting healthcare. If you want healthcare pay for it. Unfortunately Obama care destroyed the healthcare system. Many middle-class families now pay a thousand or more for their health insurance premium, and have insane 10,000-15,000$ deductibles. This is a perfect example of the damage government does, when it sticks it's nose where it doesn't belong.

You would do much better if you didn't puppet the loon bag Bernie Sanders.

Lets be clear what we are talking about here. The goal of capitalism, especially the virulent and vicious dog eat dog, every man for himself brand practised in America, is to turn humans and the earth into capital, at any cost, while completely disregarding how it effects those humans and that environment, which is increasingly poor. You are a perfect example of the bias towards greed that is at the heart of conservatism, which statement is hardly the least bit controversial. These are generalisations, but for the most part Progressives on the other hand have a bias towards fairness, and that my friend seems to be how the universe works. The harmony of opposites, light dark, good evil, up down, conservatives progressives, it is what it is, so how do we get past this? As a species we seem to have done very well in the past, but not so much now and the main reason is capitalism. Previously we harnessed our differences for the common good, but now they are tearing us and the planet apart. Evolution will work it out, and no species is forever. It's certainly an interesting time be alive and observe all this crazy chaos.

 

[Cannavore]

who benefits more from not having a public education system? the oligarchs who own the country or the average joe exercising "muh freedom". the answer is the former.

as george carlin said they want people just smart enough to operate the machines and just dumb enough to never question how badly theyre being fucked.

 

[Cannavore]

Exactly my point! They DON'T have silicon valley or wall st because their systems of government don't allow for innovation and growth! Why exactly do you think we have the richest most prosperous country in history- because capitalism works!

so you're saying those countries don't have more or less the same market based economy we have here? because that'd be incorrect.

 

[dragongrower]

It's so lovely to have these long discussions with real americans who think their way is the only true and right way of doing things.. I love it!

I do not think any of us socialist communist's are saying we want communism..
And by the way, please learn the difference between socialism as in for instance Scandinavia, and communism.. Its not the same at all..

From my point of view, capitalism with no restraint will only lead to few people getting rich and alot of people getting poor.

Saying that you can just work your way up and get a good job and earn lots of money is sort of dumb. Simply because everyone cannot be millionaires..!

The rich wants to be more rich, which in return means some will have to be poor.. It simple..

Not everyone can have lots of money and good jobs...

 

[coldcanna]

so you're saying those countries don't have more or less the same market-based economy we have here? because that'd be incorrect.

Not at all, like I said I've traveled all across Europe. I love it, not speaking from ignorance here or even saying anything bad about Europeans they are good people.

Their economy is of course market-based but the taxes and regulations are much higher. I'm not here to say our way of life is better or worse, I rather envy the amount of time off work Europeans get and they always seem more laid back.

Our debate though is on economic models- and as you said, the less regulated form has created the richest, most innovative business environment.

 

[Cannavore]

Exactly who has been robbing the middle-class?

 

[packerfan79]

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Your really should check out the clowered-piven strategy. It's a step by step plan to institute communism, it's been very successful. The United States is only one bad crisis away from full on authoritarian communist rule. The only chance this nation has, is the integrity of the military (soldiers not generals). The only hope is that soldiers won't kill innocent civilians.

 

[Cannavore]

The United States is only one bad crisis away from full on authoritarian communist rule.

lol the US political system is so far to the right it's not even funny. communist rule in america is fairy tales.

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".

so it sounds like they were advocates of UBI. which isn't communism.
it's probably going to become a standard practice in a few decades with Artificial Intelligence scheduled take up to half or more of the jobs in the American workforce. people will be begging for a UBI then.

at the core of communism is a classless and stateless society. which has never existed. authoritarians used the populism of communism at the time to get elected into power no different than Hitler did with German socialist movements.

 

[packerfan79]

lol the US political system is so far to the right it's not even funny. communist rule in america is fairy tales.



so it sounds like they were advocates of UBI. which isn't communism.
it's probably going to become a standard practice in a few decades with Artificial Intelligence scheduled take up to half or more of the jobs in the American workforce. people will be begging for a UBI then.

at the core of communism is a classless and stateless society. which has never existed. authoritarians used the populism of communism at the time to get elected into power no different than Hitler did with German socialist movements.

I guess their is no point in discussing government with a hard line leftist. You should at least be honest and admit you want socialism. I have no problem explaining what my views are , you should try it.at least I could respect you for your honesty.

 

[Cannavore]

okay but socialism isn't social democracy this is the core problem with what you're saying. they are differing ideologies. you're building up a false argument against what i am saying by talking about millions of deaths attributed to socialism. okay, now how many deaths are attributed to social democratic countries?

and to top it off, your view of what socialism is (big government authoritarianism and welfare) is incorrect as well. so not only do you not even know what socialism is, you're equating what you think socialism is onto an ideology that isn't socialism.



here i've saved my political compass results so i can post it whenever

i want medicare for all health care because it is objectively and statistically the best system that human beings can come up with currently.

i dont want government taking over the economy and start producing booze, clothing, electronics, cars, ect. which should be obvious.

being against government in all aspects 100% of the time is just stupid. government does some things better than the private market and vice versa.

 

[Spaventa]

I say Trumps buddies in the military helped him the most. Those Generals and Intelligence guys and I say they wanted him, not the other way round I bet. What the hell does Trump need this shit for? he doesn't. I bet he was told, don't worry, we will fix everything, you will drain the swamp.
With his recognition of the new capital of Israel in Jerusalem, he just lit the fuse under the region so soon Israel might be calling on the 1000 percent he promised them in the campaign.
Good thing he has his son in law to advise him. Thing are about to get interesting I fear.

 

[Water-]

Homeland Security Department that was created after the 9/11, rigged the election have and now taken over the White House.

 

[CaptainDankness]

okay but socialism isn't social democracy this is the core problem with what you're saying. they are differing ideologies. you're building up a false argument against what i am saying by talking about millions of deaths attributed to socialism. okay, now how many deaths are attributed to social democratic countries?

and to top it off, your view of what socialism is (big government authoritarianism and welfare) is incorrect as well. so not only do you not even know what socialism is, you're equating what you think socialism is onto an ideology that isn't socialism.



here i've saved my political compass results so i can post it whenever
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i want medicare for all health care because it is objectively and statistically the best system that human beings can come up with currently.

i dont want government taking over the economy and start producing booze, clothing, electronics, cars, ect. which should be obvious.

being against government in all aspects 100% of the time is just stupid. government does some things better than the private market and vice versa.

That's the problem, we pay too much in taxes and the rich get richer do to our regulations and licenses.

Anyone can make Whiskey better than Jim Beam but to get into the market forget about charging less money. Starting a legal microbrewery forget about saving money on a shit job they tax you for getting the check they tax you every dollar you spend. God forbid you go on a road trip don't forget the gas tax and tolls.

You want medicare for all? So what the doctors can charge $20k for some minor surgery? I'd be just fine going to Mexico and paying 1/10th the price for a good doctor. Prescription drugs oh hell no! Canada gives better prices.

Maybe we can have Calexit like they tried to do, see how that Socialist paradise is. Sure California makes more than any other state but per capita they are far from #1 so you have a lot more poor people than some parts of the country.

Take away regulations and taxes we can compete with Walmart that won't happen paying Social Security and all that other bullshit on top of it.

 

[CaptainDankness]

Homeland Security Department that was created after the 9/11, rigged the election have and now taken over the White House.

Probably, does seem more like the CIA for targeting Americans. Makes no sense we had the FBI already put in another agency Why?!?

Got the NSA along with all the English speaking nation's watching everything done on the internet in the entire world!

I can't think of any reason for DHS except to fuck us harder if that's even possible. The FBI's job was to watch terrorists in America they still do.

 

[Water-]

General Kelley was one the commander generals in the Iraq war then he became Secretary of DHS and now be runs the White House. I think there might possibly be a power struggle going on between DHS and the CIA

 

[coldcanna]

i want medicare for all health care because it is objectively and statistically the best system that human beings can come up with currently.

i dont want government taking over the economy and start producing booze, clothing, electronics, cars, ect. which should be obvious.

being against government in all aspects 100% of the time is just stupid. government does some things better than the private market and vice versa.

I think your perspective is reasonable and you seem informed so I won't just keep dismissing you because I disagree with the premise. Here's my sticking point with that. How do you hold people accountable for taking care of their own health- because that is the biggest indicator of the level of Medicare they would use. If half the country is overweight, tens of millions of people still smoking cancer sticks and drinking too much. Or say the prevalence of in lower income communities to have more kids- like 3, 4, 5 kids without proper income to support them.

So if I were to agree with you that all humans deserve access to health care- but perhaps you should have to qualify for it by proving reasonable fitness for your age, and not smoking or abusing alcohol, and some mechanism to make people accountable for having too many kids. Is that your middle ground. Or do you see a solution? I get hung up because I look around and I honestly don't believe you can get people to take care of themselves even if you're dangling a carrot for them. But I'd like to hear what you think