Milo Yiannopoulos....What an interesting person.

[Water-]

JFK TRAVELED throughout Europe in 1939. He also praised Hitler in his personal diary.

Traveling through Europe and meeting Hitler are very different.

In JFKs diary he said that Hitler will emerge has one of the most significant figures in history and that he is the stuff legends are made of.

Seems like an observation of fact more than praise.
He almost lost his life fighting in the war.


You are spreading misinformation. Try fact checking your sources

 

[Spaventa]

Traveling through Europe and meeting Hitler are very different.

In JFKs diary he said that Hitler will emerge has one of the most significant figures in history and that he is the stuff legends are made of.

Seems like an observation of fact more than praise.
He almost lost his life fighting in the war.


You are spreading misinformation. Try fact checking your sources

He may have praised the laws Hitler introduced criminalising animal cruelty, the first of there kind and the model for the laws now enacted all over the civilised world.
He may have praised Hitler for reviving Germany from the depression it was in after WW1, rebuilding the country and its roads and infrastructure, restoring the German people to the proud industrious nation they once were.
He may have praised Hitler for many things and if he had, would have been more than justified in doing so. Hitler is a historical figure, not a mythical beast. The name may be synonymous with tyranny, evil perhaps but even the most dedicated wrong doer is capable of creditable achievement. Hitler, according to history was nasty guy, no doubt but there are things he did people can respect, no doubt about that either. Not the moustache of course, he was crazy though

 

[Water-]

There is much to be admired about German culture.

Hitler was an insane drug addict, but historically he is a major scapegoat

 

[packerfan79]

The anti-Semitic rhetoric is insane around here.

 

[Water-]

The anti-Semitic rhetoric is insane around here.

Judaism is a religion not a race or nation

 

[dragongrower]

Sweden has started mandatory abortions if the child is found to have down syndrome. This is why si ngle payer healthcare is a freaking nightmare. Sweden is claiming they are curing down syndrome, BY KILLING THEM ALL, FUCKING SICK.

Got a link to that???

 

[coldcanna]

That's slightly out of context. They don't mandate abortions, they mandate telling the woman that there is a test to screen for it. Almost all women take the test and this results in abortions. Some countries just have high rates of abortions like Denmark and Iceland are almost 100%, the US is 67%.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/down-syndrome-iceland/

 

[coldcanna]

A better example of rationed care under single payer would be Charlie Gard.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-40554462

He had a rare genetic condition which doctors deemed untreatable and TOLD THE FAMILY they were going to pull life support. The family stated they wanted to bring him to the US or somewhere else for experimental treatment and the hospital blocked them in court. Some doctors in the US had early stage, unpublished data showing a possible cure and offered to help, but after months in court the baby's disease had progress to a point the treatment could not be offered when the doctors arrived and the baby died.

 

[armedoldhippy]

and a couple of states are mulling laws that would BAN abortions of a fetus tested & shown to probably have Downs Syndrome. Ohio, i think, is the latest...

 

[Cannavore]

That's the problem, we pay too much in taxes and the rich get richer do to our regulations and licenses.

who is we here? our taxes go to wasteful spending programs. if for example your tax dollars were spent on things actual Americans require, would that really be a bad thing? educating americans is an investment into the future of the country, infrastructure spending as well, medicare for all, paid family and sick leave by law, ect. you know, the things the rest of the western world has.

You want medicare for all? So what the doctors can charge $20k for some minor surgery?

that's not how it works lol. we (the US) pays the most on average for health care than the rest of the world while covering less people with same or worse outcomes.

I'd be just fine going to Mexico and paying 1/10th the price for a good doctor.

single payer is cheaper than the system we have now. this only proves my position lol. our current system will cost $49 trillion over a 10yr period. medicare for all about $32 trillion over the same 10yr period.

Prescription drugs oh hell no! Canada gives better prices.

we are currently not allowed to negotiate drug prices in the US. bernie sanders, the guy who's been pushing for single payer medicare for all also is pushing a bill to allow us to buy generic drugs from canada and to also negotiate our drug prices.

Take away regulations and taxes we can compete with Walmart that won't happen paying Social Security and all that other bullshit on top of it.

take away taxes and regulations so the richest family in the country will be tax and regulation free? how don't you people see the "libertarian solution" IS THE PROBLEM?

 

[Cannavore]

That's slightly out of context. They don't mandate abortions, they mandate telling the woman that there is a test to screen for it. Almost all women take the test and this results in abortions. Some countries just have high rates of abortions like Denmark and Iceland are almost 100%, the US is 67%.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/down-syndrome-iceland/

that's still not really what it says... these numbers are for Down Syndrome Termination rate, not overall abortion rate.

"Other countries aren't lagging too far behind in Down syndrome termination rates. According to the most recent data available, the United States has an estimated termination rate for Down syndrome of 67 percent (1995-2011); in France it's 77 percent (2015); and Denmark, 98 percent (2015). The law in Iceland permits abortion after 16 weeks if the fetus has a deformity -- and Down syndrome is included in this category."

"Down syndrome is the most common chromosomal abnormality. A person typically has 23 chromosomal pairs, but with Down syndrome, also called trisomy 21, there's usually an extra copy of the 21st chromosome. Each year in the United States, about 6,000 babies are born with the condition, roughly 1 in every 700.

Because two-thirds of pregnancies undergo prenatal testing as early as 11 weeks, women like Benfield have a choice as to whether they should end the pregnancy upon receiving a positive result. Most choose to terminate. Roughly 67 to 85% of pregnancies with a prenatal diagnosis of Down syndrome were aborted from 1995 to 2011, according to a 2012 review published in the medical journal Prenatal Diagnosis. As a result, elective pregnancy terminations have meant 30% fewer babies were born with Down syndrome in the U.S., a 2015 study published in the American Journal of Medical Genetics determined."

In America in 2014 the abortion rate fell to 14.5% per 1000 women.
I'd imagine Iceland's is around the same.

 

[Cannavore]

A better example of rationed care under single payer would be Charlie Gard.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-40554462

He had a rare genetic condition which doctors deemed untreatable and TOLD THE FAMILY they were going to pull life support. The family stated they wanted to bring him to the US or somewhere else for experimental treatment and the hospital blocked them in court. Some doctors in the US had early stage, unpublished data showing a possible cure and offered to help, but after months in court the baby's disease had progress to a point the treatment could not be offered when the doctors arrived and the baby died.

Sad story. But it's literally just one example, and an old tired example of a GOP talking point that doesn't really land. Not to mention Charlie Gard would have qualified as a pre-existing condition here in the USA. Could the parents have paid for the early stage US treatment anyway?
Sounds like false hope from American doctors. The kid had a rare and untreatable genetic disease. The fact that some people think they know more than doctors is ridiculous.

45,000 Americans die each year due to lack of care. Where's the outrage for them?

America rations care by the size of your wallet
Single Payer countries ration care by the seriousness of your visit. If you're coming in for a tit job you'll be waiting. If you're coming in for a life threatening illness, there is no wait.

 

[Cannavore]

Nice try, fascism is a left wing ideology. Hence the acronym for national socialist party. Socialism has nothing to do with the right wing conservative ideology most conservatives follow.
It amazes me the left continues to get away with saying hitler was a right wing nut.

and is the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea, a democratic people's republic?

you couldn't be any more incorrect on your history, amigo.

Hitler and the Nazi's:

- Murdered socialists, marxists, jews, college professors, homosexuals, undesirables, anarchists, leftists
- Banned worker unions
- Privatized all 13 state owned firms
- Coined the term Privatization
- Banned socialist organizations and killed/jailed all the members
- Were social darwinists
- Burned books & was anti-intellectual
- Used gun confiscation rhetoric to rise to power
- Anti immigration
- Banned worker strikes
- Referred to Marxism as Jewish propaganda
- Anti-individualism
i could keep going

The definition of socialism in a nutshell is the abolition of private property and the workers owning the means of production. How again was Hitler a socialist? He was a fascist. And fascism is right wing.


Capitalism & Nazism
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/capitalism-and-nazism/

5 Right Wing Lies about Hitler Debunked
https://youtu.be/of-wJQfaUhE

 

[Cannavore]

Dr. Michael Parenti: The Functions of Fascism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Pi_uBJ1HU

 

[coldcanna]

I wouldn't get too caught up on titles, once you veer too far off center, either way, you stray into the territory of an authoritarian kook. As it were, anyone that stays planted in the same ideology without the ability to compromise and admit occasionally that they don't possess the best idea is also a kook.

Cannavore- how would you address the problem about people managing their own health and fitness that I addressed a page or 2 ago. And how much would taxes have to be raised to pay for this?

 

[RB56]

What's the difference between rationing overseen by for profit businesses and as a matter of public policy? Unless we are willing to agree that everyone should get whatever treatment they want, whenever they want it, rationing is going to exist. It's cowardly to pass those decisions to corporations. Pretending that isn't what is happening is worse.

 

[CaptainDankness]

and is the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea, a democratic people's republic?

you couldn't be any more incorrect on your history, amigo.

Hitler and the Nazi's:

- Murdered socialists, marxists, jews, college professors, homosexuals, undesirables, anarchists, leftists
- Banned worker unions
- Privatized all 13 state owned firms
- Coined the term Privatization
- Banned socialist organizations and killed/jailed all the members
- Were social darwinists
- Burned books & was anti-intellectual
- Used gun confiscation rhetoric to rise to power
- Anti immigration
- Banned worker strikes
- Referred to Marxism as Jewish propaganda
- Anti-individualism
i could keep going

The definition of socialism in a nutshell is the abolition of private property and the workers owning the means of production. How again was Hitler a socialist? He was a fascist. And fascism is right wing.


Capitalism & Nazism
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/capitalism-and-nazism/

5 Right Wing Lies about Hitler Debunked
https://youtu.be/of-wJQfaUhE

Hitler was no worse than Stalin why Socialists try to say otherwise is just mind boggling.

Socialism brings on fascism/Communism.

You think the world is going to end without taxation you want the government to control everything? Well you are for Communism/fascism.

Want to talk about government lies? Hitler is not the founder of Fascism that goes to Benito Mousseline, he thought Hitler was foolish in his ideology of the master race, but eventually he had to work with Hitler, as the world was against him.

We can see what giving the government money and power has gotten us. Look into all the people doing life sentences for selling drugs even for marijuana. Look who's getting patents for marijuana billionaires with political ties.

I'm certainly not defending right wing politicians as both wings belong to the same corrupt bird. Sure I lean towards libertarian but I don't believe we should have a leader at all we don't need a government to have freedom in fact we lost our freedom thanks to Abraham Lincoln he didn't free the slaves only outlawed slavery in the south which he didn't control anyway. Slavery continued in the north and what really came out of the civil war well DC took control of the nation and we have not seen freedom since.

We did just fine before the War slavery was fucked up, but not many actually owned slaves, certainly not enough for the Confederacy to put up that much of a fight with the Union... Slavery was bound to end because even the Southerners had trouble making money when slaves worked for food.

Of course you won't learn the truth of the USA from government run schools you seem to love so much. Government run schools indoctrinate our youth with fake history that glorifies tyrants like Abraham Lincoln. But what can you do? The victors write the history books and indoctrinate the youth.

Obviously you won't change your mind on our authoritarian government when you want them to control even our health care. Funny thing is our government will pay for you to have a sex change but won't pay for you to have liposuction, breast implants or penis implants. Lol, I don't care if someone has a sex change but I wouldn't pay for it just like I wouldn't pay for someone to have breast implants, unless it was my wife but she doesn't need any with her double D's.

Of course I probably wouldn't have married a woman with an A cup because I find cleavage sexy as hell so I probably wouldn't have been hitting on my wife when I first met her.

So why is a sex change OK but not breast implants? Even penis implants for men born with micro penises? I feel kind of bad knowing some men have tiny penises can't imagine how they can ever keep a woman. Certainly no different than a man who wants a vagina IMO but only sex changes are provided by Medicare. But I guess the government knows best....

 

[Wendull C.]

and is the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea, a democratic people's republic?

you couldn't be any more incorrect on your history, amigo.

Hitler and the Nazi's:

- Murdered socialists, marxists, jews, college professors, homosexuals, undesirables, anarchists, leftists
- Banned worker unions
- Privatized all 13 state owned firms
- Coined the term Privatization
- Banned socialist organizations and killed/jailed all the members
- Were social darwinists
- Burned books & was anti-intellectual
- Used gun confiscation rhetoric to rise to power
- Anti immigration
- Banned worker strikes
- Referred to Marxism as Jewish propaganda
- Anti-individualism
i could keep going

The definition of socialism in a nutshell is the abolition of private property and the workers owning the means of production. How again was Hitler a socialist? He was a fascist. And fascism is right wing.


Capitalism & Nazism
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/capitalism-and-nazism/

5 Right Wing Lies about Hitler Debunked
https://youtu.be/of-wJQfaUhE

We will j7st have to agree to disagree on this. I do appreciate the thought put into your reply. Have a merry christmas man.

 

[dragongrower]

Hitler was no worse than Stalin why Socialists try to say otherwise is just mind boggling.

Socialism brings on fascism/Communism.

Wrong...

 

[Cannavore]

Aetna denied this young girl care due to her pre existing condition.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/11/health/aetna-surgery-denied-for-girl/index.html


Omg rationing!!!!

Meanwhile how many 15yr old girls with brain diseases are denied care in single payer countries? zero.