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Milo Yiannopoulos....What an interesting person.

coldcanna

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social democracy a healthier hybrid economy of capitalism and socialism just like all the other western and european countries that are kicking America's ass in education said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

You do realize that the social democracies are all MASSIVELY in debt? Like Ameria's debt is huge but the Netherlands for example is 4.5X higher per capita. Nothing is free despite what Bernie may have said, Europe is simply paying for their benefits with an enormous credit card- it will get to a point where the interest on said debt consume a large part of GDP. Simply put: it's not sustainable
 

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yes look at all these unproductive social democracies.
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nothing you guys say is backed up by anything other than your own opinions lol. i'm not trying to be rude here but come on.
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

You do realize that the social democracies are all MASSIVELY in debt? Like Ameria's debt is huge but the Netherlands for example is 4.5X higher per capita. Nothing is free despite what Bernie may have said, Europe is simply paying for their benefits with an enormous credit card- it will get to a point where the interest on said debt consume a large part of GDP. Simply put: it's not sustainable

Thanks for speaking the truth. Socialism is wrong. Taking my money I earned to give to someone who didn't is STEALING. Democratic socialism is a path to complete communism. Once all people it's not worth working, when the government takes most of your income. That's when the government force comes in. Anyone who thinks socialism is a great thing really needs to talk to someone who lived in Soviet Russia, or China. When China had the red revolution, millions starved to death while communist party bosses, did and still do live the high life.
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

You do realize that the social democracies are all MASSIVELY in debt? Like Ameria's debt is huge but the Netherlands for example is 4.5X higher per capita. Nothing is free despite what Bernie may have said, Europe is simply paying for their benefits with an enormous credit card- it will get to a point where the interest on said debt consume a large part of GDP. Simply put: it's not sustainable

the netherlands doesn't have silicon valley, wall street, ect. we are the richest and most prosperous country in the history of the planet. california's gdp is larger than likely any social democratic country as well. i just don't see the point. every western nation is in debt and the last time america was debt free were the days of andrew jackson.

speaking of Bernie... Bernie Sanders entire platform would have added less to the national debt than Donald Trump's. so there goes the "how are we going to pay for it" "nothing is free" garbage arguments. it exposes those hacky arguments for what they are - hypocrisy.
trump's $70 billion increase in military spending could have paid for bernies tuition free public university plan. where's the outrage over trumps spending? i know i hear endless outrage from people about bernie (is it because they've been programmed to believe it? me thinks so).
 

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Thanks for speaking the truth. Socialism is wrong. Taking my money I earned to give to someone who didn't is STEALING. Democratic socialism is a path to complete communism. Once all people it's not worth working, when the government takes most of your income. That's when the government force comes in. Anyone who thinks socialism is a great thing really needs to talk to someone who lived in Soviet Russia, or China. When China had the red revolution, millions starved to death while communist party bosses, did and still do live the high life.

this is a total straw man. you have to make shit up for your points to land. :tiphat:
 

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Cannavore- I agree with you on the corporate welfare, I don't think the government should be providing benefits to make up for shitty companies like Walmart or McDonalds. But back in the day people called these stepping stone jobs. You get it when your young and get experience and move up and on. Of course these companies don't provide health care packages to support familes --- people should be smart enough to not have kids if they work at Walmart or McD's.....

The poorest people in our country are single mothers, and increasingly women are having children unmarried and young. Anyone in our country can take out loans to go to college and pursue a career no matter what background you have. Choices are everything.
 

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yes look at all these unproductive social democracies.
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nothing you guys say is backed up by anything other than your own opinions lol. i'm not trying to be rude here but come on.

Now show their national debt. Show total Population. That is incomplete statistically. How many of those countries have been bailed out by the EU.

I guess 100 plus million deaths are just an inconvenient opinion. If you want to give all your money to the government, be my guest. You don't get to take what I make, just because you vote to. Morals still matter. It's still theft
 

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Also agree with you on military spending- bring it home!

Never said those countries are unproductive either. Don't have anything against Europeans, been all over the continent and they are great folks with awesome culture. Just saying when each citizen owes $2-300,000 towards national debt that can't keep going forever.
 

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the netherlands doesn't have silicon valley, wall street, ect. we are the richest and most prosperous country in the history of the planet. california's gdp is larger than likely any social democratic country as well. .


Exactly my point! They DON'T have silicon valley or wall st because their systems of government don't allow for innovation and growth! Why exactly do you think we have the richest most prosperous country in history- because capitalism works!
 

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! Why exactly do you think we have the richest most prosperous country in history- !

Because we are an imperialist state that takes what we want and give "protection" in return?
 

coldcanna

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Because we are an imperialist state that takes what we want and give "protection" in return?

If by that you mean intervening in and stopping 2 world wars we did not start, or by footing the bill to keep 10's of thousands of troops in Germany to stop the Ruski's from turning Western Europe into an extension of Eastern Europe then yes I guess your right!

Take a look at how people in Ukraine or Poland live compared to France or England- seems to me a lot of people benefited from our "imperialism".
 

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If by that you mean intervening in and stopping 2 world wars we did not start, or by footing the bill to keep 10's of thousands of troops in Germany to stop the Ruski's from turning Western Europe into an extension of Eastern Europe then yes I guess your right!

Take a look at how people in Ukraine or Poland live compared to France or England- seems to me a lot of people benefited from our "imperialism".

Without Russia, we would definitely have lost WWII, but that is wonderful propaganda. :bandit:
 

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Of course, they helped us- we were supporting them in the Lend-Lease program from 1941. But when Berlin fell the Soviets had no desire to give up any gains they had achieved and didn't until 1990. In fact, the soviet union continued to spread across the Eurasian Continent the whole time. Knowing their lust for military takeovers- do you think if the US forces all came home in 1945 and left the tattered remains of Western Europe to fend for itself, that the millions of Soviet Troops already parked in Berlin would simply stay put?

This is perfect proof of the blame America first crap they teach in schools because every teacher and prof is a liberal. You think America is so bad and imperialistic? News flash buddy, go all the way back to Sumeria in the beginning and you will see that basically every civilization at one point or another participated in Imperialism. From Asia to Africa, even Native American's used captured slaves. So to sit here and think that because we happen to be powerful and the winners at this moment in time, that this equates some rare point in history and America is an exception to human history in that regards?
 

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If you can't even accept that the USSR saved the day in a spectacular fashion, I suspect you are not going to accept anything else that isn't "pro-america". Wanting something to be true often gets in the way of what is true.

We used them to win the war, then quickly became mortal enemies. I can't really say what other options we had, but that is what we did. In other words, WE didn't win the war for the world. We did win it to plunder its riches.

BTW, I didn't learn that in school. In fact, where I am, text books are so pro America, they say that Native Americans "gave" us their land.
 

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Now show their national debt. Show total Population. That is incomplete statistically. How many of those countries have been bailed out by the EU.
you say this as if social democratic policy caused the Eurozone debt crisis.

I guess 100 plus million deaths are just an inconvenient opinion. If you want to give all your money to the government, be my guest. You don't get to take what I make, just because you vote to. Morals still matter. It's still theft

you're still using straw men for your points to make sense. you're equating USSR level authoritarianism with social democracy. they are not the same thing.

no one in american politics or any where that i'm aware of wants to "give all their money to the government" or steal money from hardworking americans. more cold war era bs talking points that republicans love to parrot.

is returning money that was already stolen considered theft? cause the middle class has been getting robbed for decades now. class warfare is real it's all of us vs the oligarchs trying to divide every one and keep people ignorant as they keep cashing in. enacting policies that shift the purchasing power back to the middle class is not theft. it's just common sense.

how is cutting peoples health care and earned benefits, and giving tax breaks to people who don't need them going to make america great again?
 

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you say this as if social democratic policy caused the Eurozone debt crisis.

Of course the eurozone debt crisis was caused by unsustainable social programs. No one works, no taxes are collected. It's the Economic law of Nothing is free.duh.


you're still using straw men for your points to make sense. you're equating USSR level authoritarianism with social democracy. they are not the same thing.

no one in american politics or any where that i'm aware of wants to "give all their money to the government" or steal money from hardworking americans. more cold war era bs talking points that republicans love to parrot.

is returning money that was already stolen considered theft? cause the middle class has been getting robbed for decades now. class warfare is real it's all of us vs the oligarchs trying to divide every one and keep people ignorant as they keep cashing in. enacting policies that shift the purchasing power back to the middle class is not theft. it's just common sense.

how is cutting peoples health care and earned benefits, and giving tax breaks to people who don't need them going to make america great again?

Still theft buddy. Just because someone has money doesn't give you or the government the right to steal it. You are repeating the Soviet talking points. Exactly who has been robbing the middle-class? I belive the evil 1% actually pay over half of all taxes. Most people in this country pay little to no taxes. That tax refund, is mostly a supplemental income for a big chunk of the people. . No one is cutting healthcare. If you want healthcare pay for it. Unfortunately Obama care destroyed the healthcare system. Many middle-class families now pay a thousand or more for their health insurance premium, and have insane 10,000-15,000$ deductibles. This is a perfect example of the damage government does, when it sticks it's nose where it doesn't belong.

You would do much better if you didn't puppet the loon bag Bernie Sanders.
 

JRace

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Still theft buddy. Just because someone has money doesn't give you or the government the right to steal it. You are repeating the Soviet talking points. Exactly who has been robbing the middle-class? I belive the evil 1% actually pay over half of all taxes. Most people in this country pay little to no taxes. That tax refund, is mostly a supplemental income for a big chunk of the people. . No one is cutting healthcare. If you want healthcare pay for it. Unfortunately Obama care destroyed the healthcare system. Many middle-class families now pay a thousand or more for their health insurance premium, and have insane 10,000-15,000$ deductibles. This is a perfect example of the damage government does, when it sticks it's nose where it doesn't belong.

You would do much better if you didn't puppet the loon bag Bernie Sanders.

Will you give back the roads, water treatment systems, education system, and all the other social services you have stolen?
 

packerfan79

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Will you give back the roads, water treatment systems, education system, and all the other social services you have stolen?

Not theft , I would love to privatize those services. Especially education. I have 3 kids in elementary school. If they don't learn at home they don't learn. Our education system has been gutted so unions can spend millions supporting Democrats.
 

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